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Jared Maxwell

SharkShocked

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Maxwell is a horrible ref, always has been, always will be.

In this game he made a wrong decision that did favour the Tigers. It was a crucial call and probably did cost the Sharks the game. He did the same in the Warriors semi final last year, where I thought it was a horribly one-sided ref performance that the Warriors did very well to overcome.

Does he purposely favour the Tigers? No. Is there a directive from the NRL to favour the Tigers? No. To suggest so is just absolutely ridiculous. (So yes, shut the f**k up Skeepe). Maxwell is just a shit, incompetent ref full stop.

IMO it is a simple case of the fancied sides often getting the favourable calls. The Sharks have been on the wrong end of poor referring for a long while now. It is unfair. The same happened to the Tigers pre-2010. Maxwell was the same ref who was tackled by a fan at Campbelltown Stadium a few years back for yet another horrible officiating performance. In fact before last year I would say Maxwell HATED the Tigers, as he used to cripple us every game, and I used to cringe when he was appointed on Tuesdays.

For the record i don't agree with this. We would have had an improved chance to win the game sure... but it certainly was not guaranteed.

Could have done a Matt Orford style knock on at the scrum... dropped ball from a pass anything.... i

However i just don't agree with the earlier mentioned theory about good teams getting over bad decisions. Some aren't avoidable.
 

Card Shark

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:lol: Maybe next time your boys will show something resembling a killer instinct & win a game they should have

We certainly didn't show a killer instinct by going for goal. I know we were literally out on our feet but we were all over them then & should have put the game to bed.

Alas, we need to build confidence to do that & when you forget how to win, you tend to take the safer approach.

We have lost that many games in the last 5 or 10 over the last few years, it's tragic but we still don't seem to learn. Any other close scoreline than leading by 2 a kick was appropriate.
 

skeepe

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The NRL have admitted more refereeing stuff-ups:

It's official, the Canberra Raiders were robbed.

More NRL whistle-blowers face the axe this morning after admissions from referees coach Russell Smith that two try-scoring calls against the Raiders on Saturday night were officially wrong.

After completing his video review of the match yesterday, Smith said Blake Ferguson's no-try in the 37th minute should have been awarded to Canberra, while Cooper Cronk's try for Melbourne in the seventh minute should have been disallowed.

The calls were potentially a 12-point turn-around against the Raiders, who lost 24-19 after Storm fullback Billy Slater scored the winning try in the dying minutes.

Raiders coach David Furner was still fuming yesterday, but he refused to distract his team's preparation from this Saturday's match against the Titans on the Gold Coast.

Asked if officials should be sacked over the blunders, Furner said: ''That's for [referees coaches] Stuart Raper and Bill Harrigan to work out, but I'd like to have something done because we can't get the two points back.

''Someone has to be accountable, I am.

''With that against us, I'm very proud of the way my players fought back to take the lead in the second half and we nearly had the opportunity to win the game. I can't change the result now, we've got to look at this week and turn our focus to winning against the Titans.''

Referee Jared Maxwell and touch judge Jason Walsh were yesterday stood down for their golden-point error which denied the Cronulla Sharks an opportunity to win against the Wests Tigers.
Smith said Harrigan and Raper would decide today whether any officials from the Canberra game would be reprimanded.

''We've got to assess that as a management,'' Smith said. ''Obviously that [the wrong calls] has an impact in a close game like that was. We've got to look at that in the cold light of day tomorrow before they [Harrigan and Raper] conclude the appointments and they'll make the decision as to whether they believe any further action needs to be taken.''

While the no-try ruled against Ferguson has received the most publicity, it is the try awarded to Cronk that could be subject to more scrutiny by the NRL referee bosses.

Cronk grubbered ahead and, following a deflection, reached around Canberra's Terry Campese to score.
The decision was referred to video referee Phil Cooley, who ruled a try.

However, Melbourne prop Bryan Norrie was clearly in front of Cronk at the time of the kick and continued to chase the ball, diving and almost scoring himself.

Smith said Norrie should have been ruled off-side because he had continued have an impact on play.
''I believe that should have been a no-try,'' Smith admitted. ''In my opinion Bryan Norrie is certainly within 10m of Terry Campese.

''You could even argue his visual impact on Campese … you would think Campese would have felt his presence. So in my opinion we've got to have deemed he was inside the 10m and he wasn't passive [in the play].''

While the mistake in the Cronk try was a blatant ruling error, Smith said the decision against Ferguson was a judgment call.

Ferguson looked to have given the Raiders a lead by crashing over in the corner, but the try was disallowed because of a contentious forward-pass call against halfback Josh McCrone.
Smith admitted he was concerned that control referee Brett Suttor had taken the advice of pocket-referee, Gavin Badger, instead of the touch judge who was in better position.

The touch judge ruled the pass was legitimate. ''I believe it should have been a try,'' Smith said.
''There's going to be some momentum in a pass of that distance when there's a guy running forward at speed like McCrone was.

''So my opinion is that's a fair pass.

''He [the touch judge] has got a better view of the hands and in his opinion he believes the ball came out of the hands backwards.''

Furner would only say that he was ''extremely disappointed''.

''Take the touch judges away if they can't make that call,'' he said.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/raiders-were-ripped-off-20120305-1uesd.html
 

Hutty1986

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We certainly didn't show a killer instinct by going for goal. I know we were literally out on our feet but we were all over them then & should have put the game to bed.

Alas, we need to build confidence to do that & when you forget how to win, you tend to take the safer approach.

We have lost that many games in the last 5 or 10 over the last few years, it's tragic but we still don't seem to learn. Any other close scoreline than leading by 2 a kick was appropriate.

I remember a season a few years back where you guys lost an incredible amount of close games, it's just something that takes time. Although he couldn't pull it off this time, this is where someone like Carney needs to lead the way & ice footy games
 

Qld-Sharkie

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The NRL have admitted more refereeing stuff-ups:

It all comes back to the Melbourne's, Manly's, Bronco's, Tiger's get the favorable calls while the teams not expected to compete with these teams get the rough end of the pineapple. Like TV coverage, ref's have made the competition unfair & biased.
Plus put 2 idiots in charge of pink idiots what do you get??

Oops, we are sorry about that...there's always next year.
 

hybrid_tiger

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For the record i don't agree with this. We would have had an improved chance to win the game sure... but it certainly was not guaranteed.

Could have done a Matt Orford style knock on at the scrum... dropped ball from a pass anything.... i

However i just don't agree with the earlier mentioned theory about good teams getting over bad decisions. Some aren't avoidable.

Very true, nothing is ever guaranteed but it would have been highly likely.
 
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agreed with alot of what is said here.

we could have done anything with it. lost it, scored, threw it over the sideline, threw an intercept try, kicked a field goal etc.

if maxwell shows any sort of aptitude in his job, wests dont have the ball. and dont kick it a further 20 meters to start the set. that is the simple fact. it should have been our first crack to do with what we could.

infact, i would argue that the sharks would have been better off not even getting it from the kick. atleats thats a fair end. if the tigers just get it go down field and score then that it. they win. great game.

but we got it, tried a kick, missed...got a lucky break that marshall of all people spilled it.

then... maxwell wildcard!

like some kind of weird magic pulled out of the f**king sorting hat. he swings the momentum of the match because he is either

A. under too much pressure because its golden point, its hot, round one and its leichart oval
B. dosnt know the rules of the game he is attempting to officiate
c. its cronulla. they werent expected to be close. so i can do what i like here
D. all of the above
 
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firechild

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It all comes back to the Melbourne's, Manly's, Bronco's, Tiger's get the favorable calls while the teams not expected to compete with these teams get the rough end of the pineapple. Like TV coverage, ref's have made the competition unfair & biased.
Plus put 2 idiots in charge of pink idiots what do you get??

Oops, we are sorry about that...there's always next year.

Are you serious? Do you actually watch footy or just talk about it? Do you know how many times incidents have come up in the "Official View" thing on the nrl website saying that Manly were dudded? A few off the top of my head include 2 tries against Souths last year (both in the same game), the knock on against the Cowboys also last year, the 5m forward pass by Parra in 2010, the Gasnier knock on try also 2010. Cry foul all you like but Manly certainly don't always get the favourable calls. An argument could be put forward for the Tigers and maybe the Donkeys but that's about it.
 

eozsmiles

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It all comes back to the Melbourne's, Manly's, Bronco's, Tiger's get the favorable calls while the teams not expected to compete with these teams get the rough end of the pineapple. Like TV coverage, ref's have made the competition unfair & biased.
Plus put 2 idiots in charge of pink idiots what do you get??

Oops, we are sorry about that...there's always next year.

Everyone in society plays favourites in some ways, either subconsciously or deliberately. School teachers, cops, you name it. Even footy refs, coaches, selectors, reporters, and commentators. If you are saying that the current batch of refs have made the game unfair through their bias then that is wrong. If you want to look at it that way, then that's the way it's always been because the game has always had refs. Teams always win more penalties at home than away.
The refs get more calls right now than they used to. And it's hard for them to blatantly cheat because every play is on 10 cameras at every game. But a team with a strong coach might get the good calls on a 10m offside penalty because they are thought to be disciplined, or a super ballplayer like Benji or JT might get the good calls on a 50/50 forward pass. 50/50 calls require a choice and it's human nature to go with your preference. You are 100% correct about strong teams getting the best of the close calls.
Shane Warne used to get dodgy LBW's go his way because the umpire knew he was good. Same for star footy players or ones thought of as clean players. Good looking chicks get nice treatment too. Rough heads and paupers often play second fiddle. Since when have things not been like that? Of course it extends to footy.
Might not be right but that's the way it is. When a guy like Billy Slater and a Nuffie Nobody are in a 50/50 call, Billy gets it. Always has and always will.

Imagine what things were like 40+ years ago when few games were on TV and there was no big screen! Nobody in the crowd saw anything and nobody at home saw anything. Were the refs any better? No. They weren't as fit as they are now for a start so who knows how far from the play they were when a break was made. Reg Gasnier goes flying up the touchline and the ref breaks into a stiff canter to give chase. The crowd cheers and the ref has to make a call from 40 yards away. It's pot luck. There would have been a truckload of dodgy calls in every game and no way of getting pulled up. Nobody was watching.

So if the Tigers and Broncos etc are getting the nice calls nowadays, imagine what it was like for Souths and Saints back in the day when there was zero scrutiny on the refs.
More to the point, how does it get changed?
 

MadPie

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Hey Skeepe just to make you feel better about Maxwell and the Tigers and help reduce your blood pressure, from the SMH

VIDEO referee Steve Clark could have been the third match official axed from Sunday's Tigers-Sharks clash at Leichhardt Oval after admitting he would have awarded a disallowed try to Cronulla centre Colin Best if the decision had been referred to him.
Referee Jared Maxwell and touch judge Jason Walsh were stood down yesterday from this weekend's round of matches after the Sharks were incorrectly penalised for offside on Wests Tigers line following the charge down of Todd Carney's extra-time field goal attempt.
However, a review of the match determined that Maxwell had been correct to disallow a 63rd-minute try to Best for a double movement - a decision that Clark told the meeting he disagreed with.
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Stood down ... Jared Maxwell. Photo: Getty Images

Cronulla's coach, Shane Flanagan, lambasted Maxwell after Sunday's match for not referring the decision upstairs and told the post-match press conference that Clark had said he would have awarded the try, prompting the NRL investigation.
Both Clark and Flanagan were cleared of any breach of protocol after denying they had discussed the incident, but the former State of Origin whistleblower is fortunate to retain his job in the video referee's box following his insistence that Best had scored.
Having dumped Maxwell and Walsh for their error, NRL referees bosses Bill Harrigan and Stuart Raper would have had little choice but to drop Clark had the decision been referred to him and he awarded a try.
''Steven Clark, in the video referees meeting we had today, said he still thinks it is a try,'' Harrigan said.
''He was told it was not a try. The majority of the meeting all agreed that it was not a try, that it was a double movement, and Stuart Raper and I certainly think it was no try, so it is no try.''
Harrigan said he had asked Clark if he had told Flanagan his views during or after the match at Leichhardt Oval on Sunday and was told no such conversation took place.
 

skeepe

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Why is that aimed at me? I never tried to argue it wasn't a double movement.

All I said was how disgraceful it was that Maxwell didn't know the rules. That he got an unrelated ruling right earlier in the match doesn't change that.
 

God-King Dean

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The top teams in sport have always got favouritism.

" Referees are worse than ever! " lol..... watch some of those games from the 70's & 80's, then you'll see bad.
 

God-King Dean

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Are you serious? Do you actually watch footy or just talk about it? Do you know how many times incidents have come up in the "Official View" thing on the nrl website saying that Manly were dudded? A few off the top of my head include 2 tries against Souths last year (both in the same game), the knock on against the Cowboys also last year, the 5m forward pass by Parra in 2010, the Gasnier knock on try also 2010. Cry foul all you like but Manly certainly don't always get the favourable calls. An argument could be put forward for the Tigers and maybe the Donkeys but that's about it.

A knock-on?! That's outragous!
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I rest my case.
 

Raider_69

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At least the pricks are being made somewhat accountable

but how does that help the sharks and raiders? We dont get the 2 points back
 

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