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Jarryd Hayne accused of rape

T-Boon

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Albert Rosenfeld said:
I wasn't there but I was not far away at the time. That is closer than most people on this forum.
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I was a lot closer than that. Admittedly not at the time, but roughly the same year. Which is sooner than many. Whats more I was able to suspect something was up at the time with more certainty than anyone else due to the fact that I am more aware there is almost always something going on somewhere.
 
POPEYE

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T-Boon said:
I was a lot closer than that. Admittedly not at the time, but roughly the same year. Which is sooner than many. Whats more I was able to suspect something was up at the time with more certainty than anyone else due to the fact that I am more aware there is almost always something going on somewhere.
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That'll do me for the day ol' mate . . . hard to top that
 
dangerousdave

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Lebbo73 said:
If he didn’t rape her, false accusations and slander.
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I can't see how it could be slanderous. To my knowledge, the woman hasn't made a single verbal statement.

As for false accusations, for Have to win a civil case it would have to be proven on the balance of probabilities that she deliberately lied deliberately in order to damage Hayne's reputation.

Rhyno's original post mentioned nothing of whether he did it or not. It's appalling that just because someone is a Parra fan, they immediately assume that the accuser is lying.
 
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Lebbo73 said:
If he didn’t rape her, false accusations and slander.
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You realise that most rapes occur in private, there is little evidence other than that sex took place, at which point, all he has to do is say, it was consensual, and there is your doubt.

Your now saying, if she takes action, and it isnt proven in court, which is highly likely even if she is telling the truth, then she should be liable? So, no women would ever make an accusation of rape, even when they were because the only person likely to be punished is them?

Are you familiar with the womens prisons in Pakistan? Then ones filled almost entirely with women who have been raped, and then complained about it, only for them to be sent to prison because saying you were raped is admitting to extramarital sex, which is illegal, and proving rape under sharia is almost impossible.

I have no idea what happened or if Haynes did anything wrong, what I do know is, even if he raped her, he is highly unlikely to be punished for it, but should she be forced to pay him money as well?
 
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The Vaulting Violinist said:
It’s comments like this that contribute nothing to the discussion, and take it back in reality. I’ve read at least five of them in this thread

The reality is that a reasonable percentage of guys have got away with being assholes towards women for thousands of years. This ranges from an inappropriate touch, to vulgar language right through to rape. In most cases men have used their dominant position (mostly through a position of actual power or physical presence) to do this

There is only one question to ask yourself - is that fair?

If you don’t think it is, I hope you accept that society needs to change somewhat to eradicate some of the behaviours that lead to what I mentioned above

Trivialising it via comments such as ‘oh if I tap a woman on the shoulder it’s rape’ is totally unhelpful. It reinforces old stereotypes and paints the male as a victim through their so called ‘rights’ and ‘liberties’ being stripped away.

I’m close to women that have lived through versions of the above and I can honestly say that I didn’t ‘get it’ until I understood what they had been through

I hope you guys who maybe haven’t had the opportunity to consider the world from this perspective take a moment to think about it
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And how many men have been falsely accused of rape? There'd be millions.
 
Lebbo73

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Jatz15 said:
You realise that most rapes occur in private, there is little evidence other than that sex took place, at which point, all he has to do is say, it was consensual, and there is your doubt.

Your now saying, if she takes action, and it isnt proven in court, which is highly likely even if she is telling the truth, then she should be liable? So, no women would ever make an accusation of rape, even when they were because the only person likely to be punished is them?

Are you familiar with the womens prisons in Pakistan? Then ones filled almost entirely with women who have been raped, and then complained about it, only for them to be sent to prison because saying you were raped is admitting to extramarital sex, which is illegal, and proving rape under sharia is almost impossible.

I have no idea what happened or if Haynes did anything wrong, what I do know is, even if he raped her, he is highly unlikely to be punished for it, but should she be forced to pay him money as well?
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Everybody loves a pariah. Did I say that what I posted was what I believed? No. I was merely giving some grounds he might sue on.
 
ed-grimley

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dangerousdave said:
I can't see how it could be slanderous. To my knowledge, the woman hasn't made a single verbal statement.

As for false accusations, for Have to win a civil case it would have to be proven on the balance of probabilities that she deliberately lied deliberately in order to damage Hayne's reputation.

Rhyno's original post mentioned nothing of whether he did it or not. It's appalling that just because someone is a Parra fan, they immediately assume that the accuser is lying.
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Or conversely, if you're not a Parra fan it must be true.
 
dangerousdave

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ed-grimley said:
Or conversely, if you're not a Parra fan it must be true.
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Nope. Anyone who immediately vilifies Hayne or the accuser is doing nothing other than speculate.

If it can be shown that the woman in question is deliberately lying, any decent person should hope that Hayne is publicly vindicated and is able to seek legal recourse. Likewise, if they allegations are true, we should hope that she finds some comfort in the legal outcome for what would have no doubt been a traumatic experience for her.

Signing up for the lynch mob on either side based on club allegiance is scumf**kery of the highest order.

Somethings are bigger than football. Sexual assault and related allegations fall in to this category.
 
ed-grimley

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dangerousdave said:
Nope. Anyone who immediately vilifies Hayne or the accuser is doing nothing other than speculate.

If it can be shown that the woman in question is deliberately lying, any decent person should hope that Hayne is publicly vindicated and is able to seek legal recourse. Likewise, if they allegations are true, we should hope that she finds some comfort in the legal outcome for what would have no doubt been a traumatic experience for her.

Signing up for the lynch mob on either side based on club allegiance is scumf**kery of the highest order.

Somethings are bigger than football. Sexual assault and related allegations fall in to this category.
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What you say is perfectly true, but people would have him taken down just for who he is. A lot the stuff I have seen on the socials is OTT.
If he's found guilty he should pay - if he's not all his detractors should eat shit.
 
Cogburn

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nick87 said:
What ever that number is, it’s certainly dwarfed, probably in the multiplier of millions by the number of women who have been sexually assaulted by men and seen no justice come to their attacker

Spare me your men’s rights bullshit
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Still doesn't make it right, and I am no men's rights activist.
 
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