Jarryd Hayne - Make him an Eel for Life

[Gazzamatta]

It attracted "mean girls" real quick, as does feminism.
Feminism broadly has attracted a strand of ugly man hate over the last 5 years and it has taken over the femo media eg the SMH is now a total write off.
I support feminism when it is about promoting women (such as the WNRL etc...love it), when it is about bitter man hate it makes me sick.

"Me Too"

 

[lingard]

Poor old @lingard might have gone off half cocked (no pun intended...)

IF this girl went to the NRL integrity unit first, and IF they then spoke to the Parramatta club, and IF they then decided not to bend over backwards to sign Hayne because of these allegations, THEN I have no real problem with it. However, I still have the right to be HIGHLY critical of this club's recruitment and retention history, as does every Parramatta fan. ALSO, 63 is not that old, Garry.

 

[lingard]

They're worse than the merkins that ever worked there ... Almost as bad as the merkins that never worked there or applied for a job there at all!!

Exactly.

 

[Gary Gutful]

IF this girl went to the NRL integrity unit first, and IF they then spoke to the Parramatta club, and IF they then decided not to bend over backwards to sign Hayne because of these allegations, THEN I have no real problem with it. However, I still have the right to be HIGHLY critical of this club's recruitment and retention history, as does every Parramatta fan. ALSO, 63 is not that old, Garry.

I said might.

Irrespective of whether he is guilty or not I can understand why clubs (including our own) night steer clear of him. Doesn’t make it right, but I can understand it.

Good luck supporting the Wanderers.

 

[Gronk]

I’ve changed my mind on some of this in the last year or so. Started to see a very unpleasant side of the #MeToo movement.

Agree that the #metoo movement attracted some very unpleasant merkins on the fringes, but that should not deflect from the root of the original message; the widespread sexual assault in society particularly focused on the workplace or used by people in a place of power.

Similarly, the #blacklivesmatter movement was tarnished by violence on the fringes and the far right merkins (I think) were able to discredit the whole movement and even convince some people that the BLM movement were a terrorist group. They used disinformation and hyperbole and successfully blurred the original message (of the disproportionate violence against black people).

 

[Twizzle]

I’ve changed my mind on some of this in the last year or so. Started to see a very unpleasant side of the #MeToo movement.

The main issue I have with the MeToo thingy is that anyone can make an allegation about a celebrity and remain completely anonymous, so they can destroy some one's career with a false allegation because mud sticks and they get off scot free.

I think for this reason there are too many false allegations which can be made simply for spite or devalue a persons income.

If they are going to out some one they should stand behind their allegation and identify themselves as well imo.

 

[eels_fan]

So instead of idiots calling them a lying whore, they can call them a lying whore with a photo of them attached instead?

True victims need to be protected or it can make their experiences far worse, and stop them from speaking out at all.

 

[T-Boon]

So instead of idiots calling them a lying whore, they can call them a lying whore with a photo of them attached instead?

True victims need to be protected or it can make their experiences far worse, and stop them from speaking out at all.

Maybe there should be a system where if the accuser wants to keep it private then they can decide to and the media is left out of it altogether until the court decision, but on the other hand if they want to use the media to circumvent the presumption of innocence (which is what happens) then they have to be open to their name and details being out there as well.
Give them the choice. One or the other.

 

[Gronk]

Maybe there should be a system where if the accuser wants to keep it private then they can decide to and the media is left out of it altogether until the court decision, but on the other hand if they want to use the media to circumvent the presumption of innocence (which is what happens) then they have to be open to their name and details being out there as well.
Give them the choice. One or the other.

Well Luke Foley was forced to resign when the Libs purposely aired a allegation that the woman preferred to remain private. So too the current matter before the courts involving Geoffrey Rush.

Both women (they have since said) preferred not to speak out as they concluded that the victim will not be believed or protected and that their careers woukd be in jeopardy.

Recently a (female) Barrister for the defendant in an Irish rape case suggested to the jury that because the girl wore a g-string, it implied that she consenting to sex.


The #metoo movement tried to swing the pendulum alway from victim blame and to stop men using their positions of power (in all respects).

Yes that may mean some skulduggerry and false claims, but ultimately the aim is to protect our daughters and sisters. Which is certainly worth fighting for.

 

[T-Boon]

So too the current matter before the courts involving Geoffrey Rush.

What? are you saying Rush made the allegation about himself public? Ruining his own career for some reason?

 

[Gronk]

What? are you saying Rush made the allegation about himself public? Ruining his own career for some reason?

I think you know that the Telecrap made the allegation, which meant that the woman had to be named and subpoenaed as a witness.

 

[T-Boon]

I think you know that the Telecrap made the allegation, which meant that the woman had to be named and subpoenaed as a witness.

Didnt she tell them about it though. So she wanted his name out there but not her own.
I could be wrong, maybe they found out some other way. But that sounds contrary to the metoo movement which is proudly vigilante.

 

[El Diablo]

Well Luke Foley was forced to resign when the Libs purposely aired a allegation that the woman preferred to remain private. So too the current matter before the courts involving Geoffrey Rush.

Both women (they have since said) preferred not to speak out as they concluded that the victim will not be believed or protected and that their careers woukd be in jeopardy.

Recently a (female) Barrister for the defendant in an Irish rape case suggested to the jury that because the girl wore a g-string, it implied that she consenting to sex.


The #metoo movement tried to swing the pendulum alway from victim blame and to stop men using their positions of power (in all respects).

Yes that may mean some skulduggerry and false claims, but ultimately the aim is to protect our daughters and sisters. Which is certainly worth fighting for.

not only are you a hugger of nuts but you're also a f**king male feminist

you make me sick

 

[Gronk]

Didnt she tell them about it though. So she wanted his name out there but not her own.
I could be wrong, maybe they found out some other way. But that sounds contrary to the metoo movement which is proudly vigilante.

No she did not cause a fuss because of her position in the acting pecking order and the need for self preservation.

I think you need to check your facts on the #metoo movement.

It started when a woman came out in Hollywood and outed Harvey Weinwhatever for running a casting couch as she was sick and tired of men in powerful positions sexually assaulting women (in varying degrees). Women then gained strength to say #metoo and shared stories of bosses, colleagues etc doing various shit to them in the past, which they felt they were pushing shit up hill getting justice. Plus the consequences of seeking retribution meant that their careers were in jeopardy and that quite often they are s**t shamed in court.

 

[Gronk]

not only are you a hugger of nuts but you're also a f**king male feminist

you make me sick

Mate you are a toxic human who clearly lacks empathy and compassion for anyone.

I hope your mum disconnects the internet to your room in her basement.

 

[Incorrect]

not only are you a hugger of nuts but you're also a f**king male feminist

you make me sick

Imagine if he was a policeman as well!!!

On the topic of true or false allegations and innocence or guilt... How about that teachers aide up at that boarding school in Armidale I think it was who was found guilty, I think she admitted guilt, of sleeping with a handful of students. But she was not named and her image obscured in all coverage even after the guilty verdict... On the flip side, there is a young male teacher on the South Coast who has sexual assault allegations made against him for apparently brushing up against a female high school student, nothing proven or admitted as yet, and yet his name and image was plastered all over the place. If nothing comes of these allegations his career as a teacher is likely in tatters regardless. Anyone know why the different treatment of these 2 people??

 

[Noise]

Yes that may mean some skulduggerry and false claims, but ultimately the aim is to protect our daughters and sisters. Which is certainly worth fighting for.

Not having false claims that ruin people’s lives / careers is also worth fighting for don’t you think?

 

[El Diablo]

Mate you are a toxic human who clearly lacks empathy and compassion for anyone.

I hope your mum disconnects the internet to your room in her basement.

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[Gronk]

Not having false claims that ruin people’s lives / careers is also worth fighting for don’t you think?

Well that is the justice system unfortunately. There are plenty of people who have been forced to spend money on lawyers to clear their name. You talk about men and sexual assault, yet there are others who have been even charged with murder. Hopefully the justice system work more often than not and people’s lives are not turned upsidedown.

I actually know a person who has been through this.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/designer-cleared-of-murder-20130306-2fls9.html

I feel sorry for people that are wrongly accused and are forced to fight to clear their names, but on balance it mostly works out and truth prevails.

 

[Noise]

Well that is the justice system unfortunately. There are plenty of people who have been forced to spend money on lawyers to clear their name. You talk about men and sexual assault, yet there are others who have been even charged with murder. Hopefully the justice system work more often than not and people’s lives are not turned upsidedown.

I actually know a person who has been through this.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/designer-cleared-of-murder-20130306-2fls9.html

I feel sorry for people that are wrongly accused and are forced to fight to clear their names, but on balance it mostly works out and truth prevails.

The problem is in this day and age it is very easy to accuse high profile people of sexual assault and have it played out in the media before a charge is even laid let alone going to trial. These false accusers get off scott free with their name hidden and reputation in tac while the high profile person has their reputation tarnished forever