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Gronk

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Has god made the cut yet?

I read that they did a poll and asked Catholics that if the shit hit the fan and they were facing death, who they would pray to.

I think God & Jesus came in at Nos 5 & 6.

Mary got the No.1 spot with a bullet.
 

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written history exists for i think for only around 5500 years though. everything else regarding age is peoples interpretation of data, which depending on assumptions and initial conditions may or may not be correct. Interesting other points about religion and control. I do think the bible has a fair chance of being historically accurate though. I think after around David most has confirming sources of people and places. To me also strange that a nation would record its weaknesses so readily unless they are accurate.

You're gonna deny the fact that the Earth is over 12,000 years old? really?

Explain Dinosaurs for me. Explain why in the 5,500 years of recorded history noone ever said "a huge f**cking lizard just ate my brother", Cause if that had happened you can be damn sure someone would have written that down.

Besides, Carbon dating is F A C T. not interpretation. F A C T.

You can't be that naive to honestly believe the earth hasn't been around for Millions of years. You notice I am not saying that the Earth wasn't created by God, or some God-like thing, I am saying that the event as depicted in the bible aren't the truth, or at least not the complete truth.

How can you say that the results of scientific research are "Interpretations" (i.e. not actual fact) but a book written by men with no data to back it up is fact?

It's like this, let's say, Bob says 2+2=4, and he shows you two oranges, then another two oranges, puts them on the table and says "see, two here, two there, put them together, 1-2-3-4." but then Greg says to bob, "no, you're wrong, 2+2=5, cause God told me so". Bob asks Greg to explain how that works, when he literally just counted to 4 in front of him, and Greg refuses to explain, because he has faith, and that's all the explanation he needs.

I've had that argument with a christian before, the topic of the argument wasn't counting to 4 obviously, but I had proof to support my argument and was countered with, because Jesus, that's why.

To me, if you can't show me tangible evidence, I just cannot believe it.

That's the biggest problem, the leap of faith, some people can do it, others just can't, their brains aren't wired that way. Believing in something that they cannot ever know is actually true just can't happen.

But please, Mull, explain dinosaurs to me, please. And don't you dare try to tell me God put dinosaur fossils there to "test our faith" cause that is bullshit, I've had someone argue that to me before, and there is no way a supreme being such as God is running around burying fossils to play pranks on his followers, that is just stupid, and anyone who thinks that is also stupid.
 

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I read that they did a poll and asked Catholics that if the shit hit the fan and they were facing death, who they would pray to.

I think God & Jesus came in at Nos 5 & 6.

Mary got the No.1 spot with a bullet.

Oldest rule in the book, always side with the hot chick.
 

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I read that they did a poll and asked Catholics that if the shit hit the fan and they were facing death, who they would pray to.

I think God & Jesus came in at Nos 5 & 6.

Mary got the No.1 spot with a bullet.

who the f**k scored positions 2, 3 and 4? ... the donkey they rode in on?
 

Gronk

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who the f**k scored positions 2, 3 and 4? ... the donkey they rode in on?

Various Saints I think. Most think that they get what they want when they pray to Mother Theresa or Mary Mackillop. Maybe the two blokes in charge are too busy.

Don't get me started with beatification (or is it canonization). The "miracles" performed by Mackillop after her death (she died in 1909) are very thin with evidence. Catholic PR stunt IMHO.

TO ACHIEVE sainthood, two miracles must be officially confirmed by the Vatican.

In 1993 the Vatican accepted Mary MacKillop was responsible for miraculously curing a woman who had leukaemia in 1961.

Despite doctors giving her no hope, the woman fell pregnant and gave birth to a baby boy after praying for Mother Mary's intercession.

She then had another five children over the next decade.

"The whole thing was medically surprising," a Catholic priest remarked.

On Saturday Pope Benedict XVI confirmed Mother Mary's second miracle, paving the way for her to become Australia's first saint.

The approved miracle involved the healing of a NSW Hunter Valley woman with inoperable lung cancer during the mid 1990s.

Given just a few months to live, she asked the Sisters of Joseph, which Mother Mary founded, to pray for her, and was given a relic of Mother Mary's to wear.

Against all odds she not only recovered but all traces of the cancer disappeared.

"I feel personally humbled and grateful to Mary MacKillop, and the influence she has had on my life," the woman, who does not want her identity made known at this stage, said in a statement read by Sr Anne Derwin at Mary MacKillop Chapel in North Sydney.

"On a day like today, you might have a thousand questions to ask about my story, and sometime in the future, I do want to share that with you."

The woman added Mother Mary had always provided her with hope and inspiration.

"I hope this news today provides others, especially younger Australians, with inspiration and encouragement to live as generously and as compassionately as Mary did."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/archive...ath-to-sainthood/story-e6frf7l6-1225812199236
 
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How did a thread about Plane playing in the NFL suddenly become a thread on religious idealogy? Did I miss something? Has Plane decided to become a priest or something?
 

ash411

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How did a thread about Plane playing in the NFL suddenly become a thread on religious idealogy? Did I miss something? Has Plane decided to become a priest or something?

He made a tweet saying that the Jews killed Jesus, and a tangent was born...
 

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Hey Ash and co.

Plenty of Christians don't necessarily subscribe to the young earth belief.

John Dickson (An ordained Anglican minister he is also a Senior Research Fellow of the Department of Ancient History, Macquarie University (Sydney, Australia)) went on QandA last year along with Lawrence Kraus (Scientist and Athiest and one of Richard Dawkins' mates). Kraus was coming at Dickson with arguments such as have been made on here against Christianity and Dickson handled them beautifully. His 'final word' for the night was that he could have 'Science and Jesus'. He argued that you don't need to disregard Science to be a Christian.

I'm not going to write an essay trying to convince people to believe in God, plenty has been written by better people than me. Dickson is the Founding Director of the Centre for Public Christianity in Sydney. They have a resource Library of material on plenty of Big Questions, etc. For those of you mob that love sinking the boot into Christianity claiming it to be a fairytale, etc. check out some of the articles. I can't vouch for all of it, but I've got a lot of respect for Dickson as a historian and theologian. Why don't you challenge your thinking this week?


QandA Kraus and Dickson - http://youtu.be/gC2k6jqkwRo

CPX Big Questions - http://publicchristianity.org/library

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ash411

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Hey Ash and co.

Plenty of Christians don't necessarily subscribe to the young earth belief.

John Dickson (An ordained Anglican minister he is also a Senior Research Fellow of the Department of Ancient History, Macquarie University (Sydney, Australia)) went on QandA last year along with Lawrence Kraus (Scientist and Athiest and one of Richard Dawkins' mates). Kraus was coming at Dickson with arguments such as have been made on here against Christianity and Dickson handled them beautifully. His 'final word' for the night was that he could have 'Science and Jesus'. He argued that you don't need to disregard Science to be a Christian.

I'm not going to write an essay trying to convince people to believe in God, plenty has been written by better people than me. Dickson is the Founding Director of the Centre for Public Christianity in Sydney. They have a resource Library of material on plenty of Big Questions, etc. For those of you mob that love sinking the boot into Christianity claiming it to be a fairytale, etc. check out some of the articles. I can't vouch for all of it, but I've got a lot of respect for Dickson as a historian and theologian. Why don't you challenge your thinking this week?


QandA Kraus and Dickson - http://youtu.be/gC2k6jqkwRo

CPX Big Questions - http://publicchristianity.org/library

G

I don't have a problem with Christianity as an ideology, at it's core, it's kind of nice. Good principles and seems to be a good way to be. I have a problem with the Bible, and those who consider it to be the literal word of God, which it isn't, as it was written by men, and isn't a dictation, it is a collection of stories written from the experience of people who lived around that time (I guess).

Nor have I said that all Christians subscribe to the young earth story, I was talking about the ones that do.

I like the idea of people taking what they want from Christianity, and applying that to their life, rather than blindly following the bible word for word, because they were told to.

I'm open to the existence of a God, I've said that numerous times in this thread, I just don't believe that any of the current religions going around are the direct will of that God, I think they are all devices used to control people.

If you are able to have faith, and keep your eyes open to scientific evidence on the nature of earth and it's origins, then that is awesome, you are honestly the best type of Christians, and I miss there were more of you.

The either/or mentality that some religious people have is the main reason we have had so much conflict in the world. I imagine that if a God exists, it wouldn't care how it was worshiped, in fact, it'd probably resent being worshiped so aggressively (not my favourite choice of word, but hey, I'm not a thesaurus).
 

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You're gonna deny the fact that the Earth is over 12,000 years old? really?

Explain Dinosaurs for me. Explain why in the 5,500 years of recorded history noone ever said "a huge f**cking lizard just ate my brother", Cause if that had happened you can be damn sure someone would have written that down.

Besides, Carbon dating is F A C T. not interpretation. F A C T.

You can't be that naive to honestly believe the earth hasn't been around for Millions of years. You notice I am not saying that the Earth wasn't created by God, or some God-like thing, I am saying that the event as depicted in the bible aren't the truth, or at least not the complete truth.

How can you say that the results of scientific research are "Interpretations" (i.e. not actual fact) but a book written by men with no data to back it up is fact?

It's like this, let's say, Bob says 2+2=4, and he shows you two oranges, then another two oranges, puts them on the table and says "see, two here, two there, put them together, 1-2-3-4." but then Greg says to bob, "no, you're wrong, 2+2=5, cause God told me so". Bob asks Greg to explain how that works, when he literally just counted to 4 in front of him, and Greg refuses to explain, because he has faith, and that's all the explanation he needs.

I've had that argument with a christian before, the topic of the argument wasn't counting to 4 obviously, but I had proof to support my argument and was countered with, because Jesus, that's why.

To me, if you can't show me tangible evidence, I just cannot believe it.

That's the biggest problem, the leap of faith, some people can do it, others just can't, their brains aren't wired that way. Believing in something that they cannot ever know is actually true just can't happen.

But please, Mull, explain dinosaurs to me, please. And don't you dare try to tell me God put dinosaur fossils there to "test our faith" cause that is bullshit, I've had someone argue that to me before, and there is no way a supreme being such as God is running around burying fossils to play pranks on his followers, that is just stupid, and anyone who thinks that is also stupid.


Yeah its fair enough what you say, pretty stupid if you have to deny what is true to believe in the truth. I?m really just trying to point out nothing is 100% and most science is based on naturalism so there is a bit of circular reasoning occurring. Radiometric dating is based on conditions like parent daughter ratios have remained constant, that they haven?t changed by external influences etc. I think chances of giving an accurate picture of the past based on science is too small to take to seriously. With dinosaurs maybe watch this if you have some time, I think unbiased, just puts a few different theories by different groups of scientists together.
http://www.smh.com.au/tv/series/show/worlds-greatest-mysteries/dinosaur-extinction-5000536.html
 

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Yeah its fair enough what you say, pretty stupid if you have to deny what is true to believe in the truth. I?m really just trying to point out nothing is 100% and most science is based on naturalism so there is a bit of circular reasoning occurring. Radiometric dating is based on conditions like parent daughter ratios have remained constant, that they haven?t changed by external influences etc. I think chances of giving an accurate picture of the past based on science is too small to take to seriously. With dinosaurs maybe watch this if you have some time, I think unbiased, just puts a few different theories by different groups of scientists together.
http://www.smh.com.au/tv/series/show/worlds-greatest-mysteries/dinosaur-extinction-5000536.html

smh.. I was watching the video you posted as I was typing a response and I just can't.. I removed it all..

If you believe that, then there's no point arguing with you. I'm done.
 

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I'm so glad this forum is solving the meaning of life .... the world will be absolutely thrilled to know
 
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