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Jarryd Hayne to the NFL!

Will Jarryd Hayyne make it in the NFL?


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Avenger

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I don't ask any of those questions. I'm not even sure why it's relevant why we are here. It isn't important and makes no difference to my existence. I am here because my parents f**ked, it's pretty simple to me.

The things that are important to me are nothing to do with why we are here, purpose or any of those creation questions.

Live the best you can, support the ones you love (these do not have to be blood), treat people how you want to be treated and ensure your actions do not affect others in a negative or inconvenient way. You don't need religion or a god to live your life this way.

Christianity tells you to do all these things.
 

Kornstar

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How the f**k did you expect them to record events during the times of Christ? The Internet ? They did through eyewitness accounts . It's called the bible. Before the dead sea scrolls were found plenty of atheists said that the accounts were not preserved and were changed etc. however their discovery proved they weren't and are almost identical to bibles written today. Whether you believe it or not is a different thing. That's up to you.

I want photo's (selfies preferably with some photobombs by the big hitters) and videos would be even better.

If these people were so magical and powerful surely they could pull even a polaroid out? Seriously, great powerful god doesn't have a smart phone? Jesus didn't have a selfie stick?

A god that can rain hellfire on cities and wipe out his own creation, create life, create a universe and he can't put it on Facebook? How can i take that seriously?
 
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How the f**k did you expect them to record events during the times of Christ? The Internet ? They did through eyewitness accounts . It's called the bible. Before the dead sea scrolls were found plenty of atheists said that the accounts were not preserved and were changed etc. however their discovery proved they weren't and are almost identical to bibles written today. Whether you believe it or not is a different thing. That's up to you.

Yet, there are no contemporaneous written eyewitness accounts, and no suggestion that any ever existed. People started writing stuff down quite some time after Christ's demise.....and they had the technology.

The Dead Sea Scrolls have nothing to say about the New Testament (AFAIK). The

Other discoveries of ancient texts over the last 500 yrs reveal the selective filtering of the early Gospels, particularly those in which no 'miracles' happen (e.g. the Gospel of St Thomas).
 

ash411

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I don't accept all the stories in the bible. Like I said I do not have blind faith but I also don't accept that something came from nothing. Atheists always ask, Who created God? Maybe you already have the answer to that question?Nothing! After all, you seem to think that nothing is a powerful force for creating things. Why not God?

So a big magic man in the sky is more logical to you?

Science tells us that life began on this planet because the mix of chemicals in the atmosphere and on the surface were at the right mix at the right time to generate the first single cell organism, The commonly held theory is that a pool of water containing a mix of elements and proteins (I'm not sure what they were, I've forgotten that part) was introduced to an electrical charge (lightning is the most probable culprit) from there, that cell split in two, and so on.. I'm sure you've heard the rest.

Not really that complicated if you think about it, not even that far fetched either.

Creationism teaches that God created the earth, Man and Woman, all in 6 days, believable, in the sense that he's an all powerful super being with the power to do that, fair enough. The part that trips it up, is the timing. According to the bible, all this happened 12,000 years ago.

I repeat, 12,000 years ago.

There's just no way. We already know for a fact that the earth has existed Much, Much longer than that (billions of years, give or take) We know that Dinosaurs existed Millions of years ago, we have dug up physical evidence to prove it. We've dated the fossils, and they are way older than 12,000 years.

So, either the book of Genesis is bullshit, or Dinosaurs weren't real. Help me out here.

The thing is, I personally don't deny the existence of A god, in some form, I just feel that the religions that are based on that belief are pretty much just all campfire stories that are more or less bullshit.

Think about ancient Rome, or Greece or Egypt. They believed that there were many Gods, each responsible for different aspect of life, all of these civilizations were around thousands of years before the time Jesus was on Earth. I don't even deny that Jesus of Nazareth was a Man that lived 2000 odd years ago, and he walked around and taught the principles and values of love, peace and understanding, and people were so moved by his teachings that they followed him around just to hear him speak, he was that charismatic and insightful. I also don't doubt that he was probably killed as a direct result of this, because his followers were growing in numbers and this made the Romans who occupied the region at the time nervous, fearing that he'd eventually lead a rebellion against them (they didn't really get the point of his teachings) and captured and executed him for it. He sounds like a good dude.

Now here's the bit you're not going to want to hear. I reckon he'd be furious to find out what people have done in his name. The religions that were built on his teachings were primarily designed for one purpose, keeping the masses in line. The bible was written to use as leverage to ensure that people stop asking questions, and behave themselves, under threat of eternal damnation and torment.

Believe in God, don't believe in God, do what you like, more power to you. But don't sit there and tell me that the events in the bible happened exactly as they were written. It's impossible. I personally think the Romans, Greeks and Egyptians had it closer than Christianity in any form will ever get.
 

mull

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So a big magic man in the sky is more logical to you?

Science tells us that life began on this planet because the mix of chemicals in the atmosphere and on the surface were at the right mix at the right time to generate the first single cell organism, The commonly held theory is that a pool of water containing a mix of elements and proteins (I'm not sure what they were, I've forgotten that part) was introduced to an electrical charge (lightning is the most probable culprit) from there, that cell split in two, and so on.. I'm sure you've heard the rest.

Not really that complicated if you think about it, not even that far fetched either.

Creationism teaches that God created the earth, Man and Woman, all in 6 days, believable, in the sense that he's an all powerful super being with the power to do that, fair enough. The part that trips it up, is the timing. According to the bible, all this happened 12,000 years ago.

I repeat, 12,000 years ago.

There's just no way. We already know for a fact that the earth has existed Much, Much longer than that (billions of years, give or take) We know that Dinosaurs existed Millions of years ago, we have dug up physical evidence to prove it. We've dated the fossils, and they are way older than 12,000 years.

So, either the book of Genesis is bullshit, or Dinosaurs weren't real. Help me out here.

The thing is, I personally don't deny the existence of A god, in some form, I just feel that the religions that are based on that belief are pretty much just all campfire stories that are more or less bullshit.

Think about ancient Rome, or Greece or Egypt. They believed that there were many Gods, each responsible for different aspect of life, all of these civilizations were around thousands of years before the time Jesus was on Earth. I don't even deny that Jesus of Nazareth was a Man that lived 2000 odd years ago, and he walked around and taught the principles and values of love, peace and understanding, and people were so moved by his teachings that they followed him around just to hear him speak, he was that charismatic and insightful. I also don't doubt that he was probably killed as a direct result of this, because his followers were growing in numbers and this made the Romans who occupied the region at the time nervous, fearing that he'd eventually lead a rebellion against them (they didn't really get the point of his teachings) and captured and executed him for it. He sounds like a good dude.

Now here's the bit you're not going to want to hear. I reckon he'd be furious to find out what people have done in his name. The religions that were built on his teachings were primarily designed for one purpose, keeping the masses in line. The bible was written to use as leverage to ensure that people stop asking questions, and behave themselves, under threat of eternal damnation and torment.

Believe in God, don't believe in God, do what you like, more power to you. But don't sit there and tell me that the events in the bible happened exactly as they were written. It's impossible. I personally think the Romans, Greeks and Egyptians had it closer than Christianity in any form will ever get.


written history exists for i think for only around 5500 years though. everything else regarding age is peoples interpretation of data, which depending on assumptions and initial conditions may or may not be correct. Interesting other points about religion and control. I do think the bible has a fair chance of being historically accurate though. I think after around David most has confirming sources of people and places. To me also strange that a nation would record its weaknesses so readily unless they are accurate.
 

mull

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Yet, there are no contemporaneous written eyewitness accounts, and no suggestion that any ever existed. People started writing stuff down quite some time after Christ's demise.....and they had the technology.

The Dead Sea Scrolls have nothing to say about the New Testament (AFAIK). The

Other discoveries of ancient texts over the last 500 yrs reveal the selective filtering of the early Gospels, particularly those in which no 'miracles' happen (e.g. the Gospel of St Thomas).


my understanding they were written by his disciples, physical brothers and Paul. I think when they realised maybe not in there life time he was to return. Most also i believe died for this faith and belief in him as the Son of God.

also dont think you can use the gospel of thomas for your argument
https://carm.org/does-the-gospel-of-thomas-belong-in-the-new-testament
 

SDM

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If you are not agnostic then you are either arrogant or stupid or a mixture of both. Agnostic >>>> atheists + Jesus fanboys
 

Gronk

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So.......how 'bout that Jarryd Hayne, eh?

I've noticed a growing number of articles about the "wannabe NFL player" being anti semitic.

You've poked the wrong lion there Jarryd. Last one I saw was a statement from the Jewish anti-defamation league who's sole purpose in life if to sue merkins who cast shadows over their beliefs.
 
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Do you believe in God, HJ?

Yes, but the important word there is "believe".

Two reasons, one semi-scientific and the other not even close to it:

1) The Anthropic Principle. Everything is just too well balanced. Having said, any proof of the Multiverse theory could put paid to the Anthropic Principle;

2) I feel the soul. Totally unscientific, I know, but there it is. There is a fundamental difference between living and non-living matter and, to date, we have no way of explaining that.

I think believing in a paternalistic universal overlord that is concerned with the everyday minutiae of mundane human existence is quite egocentric.

For the record, this is not what I believe. My belief isn't based on any of the Abrahamic religions, which I believe may have kernels of truth in them but which are fundamentally incorrect due to the corrupting nature of humanity. I do not believe that the Christ was the One True Son etc., for example.

For me, God has set the Universe into existence and largely let it be. Sodom and Gomorrah style events do not happen. If we have free will, and development of the spirit, then such actions are counter-intuitive.

I can see the chance for stuff like the emergence of the Christ, for example, to be set in motion, where our free will is still in play, giving us the chance to accept or whatever, but no actual direct intervention by God.

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Also, I believe that if we do indeed have a soul, the Heaven-Hell proposition is unlikely. Most likely is re-incarnation, based on the fact that, like the rest of the universe, there is a set amount of energy that is recycled. Heaven-Hell would work more like an hourglass, so what happens when, if there is a set amount of energy, the sand runs out? Doesn't seem logical to me.

Re-incarnation would also have the benefit of allowing us to take what we have learned, put it back into the spirit, and have it taken back again on subsequent turns of the Wheel.

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Anyways, there's a really simplistic view of what I think.

I understand why people would be atheist but to be honest I see that more of a symptom of our selfish, materialistic world than I do any legitimate argument against God. People don't want there to be a God, these days, and that drives the conclusion to atheism more than anything else, from what I can tell.

But I'm cool with that. All the atheists can enjoy coming back as carp, or cane toads, or whatever.
 

Avenger

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I've noticed a growing number of articles about the "wannabe NFL player" being anti semitic.

You've poked the wrong lion there Jarryd. Last one I saw was a statement from the Jewish anti-defamation league who's sole purpose in life if to sue merkins who cast shadows over their beliefs.

Nothing that Jarryd said was wrong.
 

eels81236

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The remote was just out of reach the other day.

A presentation by some religious guy on the evolution v creation debate came on TV. Good place to start, I thought, when he said he would give the definition for each term. He gave the definition for evolution from the Collins dictionary. Creation was defined by reading genesis 1.1.

I used a reaching stick.
 

Avenger

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My idea of God is not some dead Jew in the sky as depicted in Renaissance art. My view is that it is about a powerful energy which keeps it all together. Now whether it has consciousness or not is a matter where people have to decide for themselves. Can I ask a question? Do we need to have a body to have consciousness? Why can't God be this energy or life force with a conscience but without a tangible body like yours or mine?

PS I question the notion that we are judged on everything we do or say where inevitably we are judged on our sins. Like I said I don't have blind faith and do not consider myself a moron. However I do believe that a man called Jesus walked the earth and changed the world as we know it. Just like the Old Testament predicted he would.
 
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