Jarryd Hayne to the NFL!

[The Elephant In The room]

So according to the NRL website http://m.nrl.com/nrl-announces-salary-cap-changes/tabid/10874/newsid/78232/default.aspx)

The long serving player allowance is $250k in 2015 and $300k in 2016. Now that The Plane is gone, if Mannah is the only player we have that would be on this long serving player allowance then we could be paying him bugger all under the actual cap then.

Who else could potentially be a 6 year player (commencing from the Holden Cup) currently at the Club, Morgan maybe?

And yet some people want him gone from the club. Pay him $400k/yr and it costs us not much more than a rookie wage. Absolute bargain.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Who else could potentially be a 6 year player (commencing from the Holden Cup) currently at the Club, Morgan maybe?

Yeh, Morgs would be the closest of those in the NRL mix. Lassalo has been around for a while too (dunno if he's still in the wenty squad).

Taka's dad played for us ages ago but I guess that doesn't count.

 

[84 Baby]

There is an exclusive interview on channel 7 news tonight with Josh Massoud where he will announce his contract.

Must be re-signing with Eels then.

#stoptheleaks

 

[Chipmunk]

I reckon it's Thurston and Hayne. After all they're the best.


Fantasy land? You've just calculated to $900k, and then conveniently allocated all of the long serving player allowance to Hayne, despite at least one other player qualifying for said allowance, as well as the whole marquee allowance, which every club gets so is therefore irrelevant to an individual player. All this on a base where you have failed to consider that both club and player have incentive to under report their income.

Well if I've already got it down to $900k and the Marquee Player Allowance for 2014 was $600k and the Long Serving Player Allowance was $200k, then even if I've only allocated $100k to The Plane it's only 12.5% of the total of both allowances (as I previously suggested the highest paid player in the NRL is on at around $800k under the cap).

If you take off $300k from that to get The Plane down to $600k a year under the cap, he's still only getting just over a 1/3rd of the two allowances combined.

So how is that allocating ALL of that to The Plane?

My argument is what The Plane cost under the salary cap, so if there is an incentive to under report his income under the salary cap that just strenghtens the argument.

 

[Chipmunk]

Yeh, Morgs would be the closest of those in the NRL mix. Lassalo has been around for a while too (dunno if he's still in the wenty squad).

Taka's dad played for us ages ago but I guess that doesn't count.

I doubt where bothering using a long serving player allowance on a second-tier contract. Is he even still at the Club?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

And yet some people want him gone from the club. Pay him $400k/yr and it costs us not much more than a rookie wage. Absolute bargain.

Ahh....don't forget that at the time there was at least one other player eligible for the discount (Hayne) who was contracted for 2015.

 

[Chipmunk]

Ahh....don't forget that at the time there was at least one other player eligible for the discount (Hayne) who was contracted for 2015.

But then that would've just allowed us extra funds to contribute towards a new player once The Plane departed. Funds would transfer from Mannah's Salary Cap allocation and go to the long serving player allowance.

Does anyone know how many years Morgan played in the NYC for, did he play for 2 years?

 

[The Elephant In The room]

what an absolute freak....

http://www.news.com.au/sport/americ...ump-world-record/story-fnq2nnu6-1227236448788

MOST of the attention at this past week?s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis focused on the duelling top quarterback prospects, Florida State?s Jameis Winston and Oregon?s Marcus Mariota.
However, the combine allows unheralded prospects to show off their talent, and this year, one name stands out well above all the others: UConn cornerback Byron Jones.
In the broad jump, Jones jumped 12 feet, 3 inches ? which appears to be a world record. Jones? leap surpassed the combine record of Patriots linebacker Jamie Collins, who jumped 11 feet, 7 inches two years ago.
Jones didn?t stop there, posting an astonishing vertical leap of 44.5 inches. However, he did not run the 40-yard dash, as he is still recovering from shoulder surgery. He will run the 40 at UConn?s pro day on March 31.

A native of New Britain, Conn., Jones was a multi-sport star at St. Paul (Bristol) High School, playing football and basketball. He was an All-State player during his senior season, recording three interceptions while returning punts and kick-offs to boot.
Obviously, Jones is a great athlete, but is he a great football player? UConn coach Bob Diaco thinks so.
?I think he will be one of the best players in the country,? Diaco told NBC in October. ?Everyone will see it eventually when they put him in those compression shorts [at the combine]. You will see a tall, long, lean and fast and explosive and athletic player. His numbers, with our developmental process, you are going to see at the end of the day one of the best tangibly gifted cornerback players in the country.?

NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah feels Jones could be a ?steal.?
?He has excellent height [6-foot-1] and a thick, muscular build for the position,? Jeremiah wrote in a scouting report. ?He is at his best in press coverage ? He has the speed to carry vertical routes and he stays on the hip on quick-breaking underneath routes. He does have some hip tightness which shows up when he has to open up and redirect ? He has excellent ball awareness down the field, as evidenced by a big-time high-point interception against Michigan in 2013 ? Overall, if his shoulder injury checks out, Jones could be a real steal in this draft. He should start Day 1 in a press-man scheme.?
Yahoo Sports reported Jones is already rated ?fairly high in what appears to be a middling but hardly great group at the cornerback position.?

Not to mention that he is a member of Mensa, which is a pre-requisite for playing NFL and remembering all of the plays.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well if I've already got it down to $900k and the Marquee Player Allowance for 2014 was $600k and the Long Serving Player Allowance was $200k, then even if I've only allocated $100k to The Plane it's only 12.5% of the total of both allowances (as I previously suggested the highest paid player in the NRL is on at around $800k under the cap).

If you take off $300k from that to get The Plane down to $600k a year under the cap, he's still only getting just over a 1/3rd of the two allowances combined.

So how is that allocating ALL of that to The Plane?

My argument is what The Plane cost under the salary cap, so if there is an incentive to under report his income under the salary cap that just strenghtens the argument.

So why would you think Hayne would be on any less than the highest paid player in the NRL? I said $1M and you've said $900k. How is my estimate 'fantasy land' if it's only 11% higher than your own?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

But then that would've just allowed us extra funds to contribute towards a new player once The Plane departed. Funds would transfer from Mannah's Salary Cap allocation and go to the long serving player allowance.

My point is that at the time Mannah re-signed, we had at least one other player contracted for 2015, and we were thinking that JH would be extended beyond that. So it wasn't as if the club could evaluate the offer along the lines of 'We're only really paying him $100k under the cap', coz that wasn't the case at the time. Re-signing him certainly reduced the risk of losing the LSP. And as it has turned out, that insurance has paid off.

 

[Chipmunk]

So why would you think Hayne would be on any less than the highest paid player in the NRL? I said $1M and you've said $900k. How is my estimate 'fantasy land' if it's only 11% higher than your own?

You said in this previous post here (http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showpost.php?p=10709127&postcount=1627) that The Plane would have been on $1.5+ million and cost us about a million under the salary cap this year. I said the highest paid player in the NRL was probably costing their club about $800k under the salary cap, which is 20% lower than what you said The Plane was going to cost us this year.

For the purpose of this exercise we will presume The Plane had the highest income of all NRL players. I'm sceptical he was, but it's not out of the question.

I have produced evidence to suggest that no NRL player earnt an income of $1.28millon and provided information that would suggest that The Plane would've cost us at the very very most $800k under the Salary Cap in 2014. But as I said previous, I don't believe he earnt $1.279 million in 2014 and was possibly costing us as low as $600k under the salary cap. (for the reasons I outlined previous).

Presuming the worse case scenario and that he was on a total income of $1.279 million and costing us $800k under the cap in 2014, with the Salary Cap only increasing 4% in 2015 from 2014, I cannot see how or why he would suddenly receive an NRL salary increase and cost us 25% more in 2015 under the Salary Cap than he did in 2014. I'd suggest he would have cost us at the most only a modest 5% increase under the Salary Cap.

Where is your evidence to back up your fanciful numbers that The Plane would've been on $1.5+ million and cost us $1 million under the cap in 2015 anyway?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

What are the rumoured offers for players off contract right now Chipmunk? How much less could Hayne possibly have been on this year?

As for marquee and long service allowances, they are part of the cap because they apply to all clubs and don't increase with the number of eligible players.

 

[Avenger]

It was reported that we had $600k under the cap with the departure of Hayne. You would think that it would have been at least a cool million plus third party for 2016 and beyond.

 

[Someone]

What are the rumoured offers for players off contract right now Chipmunk?

This point makes no sense.

With Hopoate and Sandow off contract at the end of the year, and Lussick there is no telling if these offers are all or some of Haynes previous contract.

 

[Chipmunk]

What are the rumoured offers for players off contract right now Chipmunk? How much less could Hayne possibly have been on this year?

As for marquee and long service allowances, they are part of the cap because they apply to all clubs and don't increase with the number of eligible players.

Well these are all for next season to start with and I don't think I've seen a media report suggesting that an NRL player will be earning $1.28 million in 2016, let alone 2014.

As well as this, these rumours and hearsay are based on total incomes, not what they're going to cost the actual club under the salary cap.

I believe the Marquee allowance has been rolled into the cap for this season in any case. The long serving allowance only works if you have players eligible to re-allocate the funds to . We have only one player (maybe two) at the Club who is eligible to receive the allowance. I'd suggest there are possibly other clubs that do not have an eligible player, although unlikely given its only 6 years service from this season.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

This point makes no sense.

With Hopoate and Sandow off contract at the end of the year, and Lussick there is no telling if these offers are all or some of Haynes previous contract.

I'm talking about comparing Hayne to the highest paid players in the game, simultaneously comparing contract values from this year to next.

 

[Chipmunk]

It was reported that we had $600k under the cap with the departure of Hayne. You would think that it would have been at least a cool million plus third party for 2016 and beyond.

If the Salary Cap increases by $500k in total, or around 8% in the two years between 2014 and 2016 and will increase only 16% or $950k in total between when The Plane last signed his contract and 2016, how and why would The Plane's cost to the Club under the Salary Cap increase $400k a year or 66% in two years time ?

 

[WaznTheGreat]

The champ running 4.5 for 40 yard dash and he has only trained for like 2 weeks in his whole entire life lol,he never trained/did weights or anything in League

Hayne training for 2 weeks > USA athletes training there whole life

Up there with the best times after 2 weeks lol

 

[The Elephant In The room]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/ja...er-and-technique/story-fndujljl-1227235915660

Interesting.

I hate the fact that he isn't playing for the Eels, but I'd be stoked if he made a decent go of it in the NFL (getting on the field in a regular season game is obviously still a long way away).

 

[Gronk]

From the link above ..

While in the US, Hayne caught six high balls in a row, each while hanging onto the previous ball. One source said: “He was carrying five balls when he caught the sixth. And he did it twice.”

:lol: Smartarse !