Jarryd Hayne to the NFL!

[Delboy]

When you sit back, Hayne was one of the most exciting players we have seen at the Eels. A pleasure to watch and enjoy

However, if someone of the calibre of Foran gets the gig, does he make the side bette rall round, maybe not so individually exciting but a more complete team

Would love to have seen JH play fullback in a team Led around the park by a Foran

 

[Twizzle]

Do you think Smith, Moimoi or Mannah were more influential than Hayne?

on the leadership yes, but that is not the point

there are 17 in the squad and they were all responsible for our failure since 2009 imo

it never gets down to one player

 

[Poupou Escobar]

There are more than 17 in the squad and some offer more value than others. When you're paying top dollar for a player you are paying four or five (or more) times the average salary. You want more out of them than just playing ability - you need them to have a positive influence on the group's culture. That's called leadership, and I don't believe Hayne provided enough of that for the money he would've been on. To be honest I believe he's been a negative influence at the club. He f**ked off mid contract to 'chase his dreams' FFS! How can you rely on someone like that?

 

[Chipmunk]

It would depend whom we replaced him with.

In my opinion (just in case you merkins think anything we say here is anything other than our opinion) we would have had more success with any other combination of players on Hayne's salary.

Do you think we would've had any more success if we had paid Israel Folau the same amount of money The Plane was getting from 2010-2014?

 

[Chipmunk]

There are more than 17 in the squad and some offer more value than others. When you're paying top dollar for a player you are paying four or five (or more) times the average salary. You want more out of them than just playing ability - you need them to have a positive influence on the group's culture. That's called leadership, and I don't believe Hayne provided enough of that for the money he would've been on. To be honest I believe he's been a negative influence at the club. He f**ked off mid contract to 'chase his dreams' FFS! How can you rely on someone like that?

Given third party deals and long serving player contracts, exactly how much of the Salary Cap would The Plane have actually taken up this season?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Do you think we would've had any more success if we had paid Israel Folau the same amount of money The Plane was getting from 2010-2014?

No. We would've gone worse overall. Maybe we would've gone better in 2012 and 2013 when Hayne missed so many games injured, but Folau might have been injured too. He missed a couple of games in his final two years in the NRL but generally plays full seasons.

But I think Folau would be a dumber marquee signing than Hayne.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Given third party deals and long serving player contracts, exactly how much of the Salary Cap would The Plane have actually taken up this season?

Considering plenty of clubs could offer as much in the way of third party deals they become irrelevant. We'd have to pay top dollar under the cap anyway. The third party deals don't mean we'd have to pay less; they mean the player just gets paid more.

I have no doubt Hayne would be on $1.5M+ this year, with about a million of that counting against the cap. Next year he would have been on more.

If he comes back it will be on $2M+. That's what he would think he's worth and really, who can argue with it? What he's worth and what he's worth under the cap are two very different things.

 

[Chipmunk]

Considering plenty of clubs could offer as much in the way of third party deals they become irrelevant. We'd have to pay top dollar under the cap anyway. The third party deals don't mean we'd have to pay less; they mean the player just gets paid more.

I have no doubt Hayne would be on $1.5M+ this year, with about a million of that counting against the cap. Next year he would have been on more.

If he comes back it will be on $2M+. That's what he would think he's worth and really, who can argue with it? What he's worth and what he's worth under the cap are two very different things.

I think you're in fairy land if you think The Plene was going to cost 1 million under the cap for this year. If he was going to cost $1million under the cap we could've gone out and bought whoever we would've wanted, irrespective if they were under contract or not. Plus I doubt the NRL would allow us to start the season spending $1 million less in the salary cap. They have minimum expenditure on player rules.

I'd be surprised if The Plane was getting much more than $600k through the Salary Cap.

Only one club will ever get a long serving player allowance for The Plane though, which gives Parra the advantage to pay him more than anyone else ever will under the cap.

 

[Chipmunk]

No. We would've gone worse overall. Maybe we would've gone better in 2012 and 2013 when Hayne missed so many games injured, but Folau might have been injured too. He missed a couple of games in his final two years in the NRL but generally plays full seasons.

But I think Folau would be a dumber marquee signing than Hayne.

Well who is to say that we wouldn't have bought Folau if we didn't have The Plane...

Who's to say that we wouldn't have ended up spending the The Plane's hypothetical available salary cap money on more has been players from the UK Super League?

The clubs failure to identify, develop, retain and recruit the right players with the rest of the Salary Cap money to assist The Plane was the real common denominator to why we failed for so long.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

The long-serving player discount is only directly relevant if Hayne was the only eligible player, otherwise we just get it anyway. Having said that, Timmy is probably the only eligible player now?

 

[Chipmunk]

The long-serving player discount is only directly relevant if Hayne was the only eligible player, otherwise we just get it anyway. Having said that, Timmy is probably the only eligible player now?

Don't you get a set allowance per player who is a long serving player?

 

[Avenger]

Hayne will not make the NFL. One injury and it will be over before it even starts. I reckon there is still a chance that he may return by 30 June and play this year. If he chooses to come back to the NRL in 2016 it will only be with us. He has a moral obligation to do so especially if we still want him and why wouldn't we? He is the best and most marketable player on the planet.

 

[Twizzle]

There are more than 17 in the squad and some offer more value than others. When you're paying top dollar for a player you are paying four or five (or more) times the average salary. You want more out of them than just playing ability - you need them to have a positive influence on the group's culture. That's called leadership, and I don't believe Hayne provided enough of that for the money he would've been on. To be honest I believe he's been a negative influence at the club. He f**ked off mid contract to 'chase his dreams' FFS! How can you rely on someone like that?

well said, not that I agree but you put forward a valid argument

better than just posting

The fact is that Hayne is the most influential common denominator for our failure since 2009.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Don't you get a set allowance per player who is a long serving player?

Nah, not unless they changed it in the reforms last year. It certainly used to be a fixed $$ amount per team as long as you had an eligible player.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think you're in fairy land if you think The Plene was going to cost 1 million under the cap for this year.

You're in fairyland if you think he was only going to cost as much as Hopoate or Sandow or Watmough.

If he was going to cost $1million under the cap we could've gone out and bought whoever we would've wanted, irrespective if they were under contract or not. Plus I doubt the NRL would allow us to start the season spending $1 million less in the salary cap. They have minimum expenditure on player rules.

I'm convinced Hayne told the club he was leaving months ago. Do you really think the handful of nuffies we let go freed up the cash for Watmough plus a bunch of seasoned first graders on one year contracts? A club needs to pay a premium for the planning freedom provided by one year contracts.

I'd be surprised if The Plane was getting much more than $600k through the Salary Cap.

How much do you reckon the most expensive player in the game would be on?

Only one club will ever get a long serving player allowance for The Plane though, which gives Parra the advantage to pay him more than anyone else ever will under the cap.

It would be great if it worked that way but it doesn't.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well who is to say that we wouldn't have bought Folau if we didn't have The Plane...

Knowing us we probably would have. Our fanbase demands big names and the board is only too happy to oblige them.

Who's to say that we wouldn't have ended up spending the The Plane's hypothetical available salary cap money on more has been players from the UK Super League?

It wouldn't matter. With the state of our roster we would have rebuilt quicker spending Hayne's million on four players worth $250k (or his $600k on four players worth $150k ;-) )

The clubs failure to identify, develop, retain and recruit the right players with the rest of the Salary Cap money to assist The Plane was the real common denominator to why we failed for so long.

The failure to build a strong squad was itself a symptom. Lack of junior development meant we had to pay more for backups and fringe first graders. That and desperation to keep the fan favourite meant we had a lot less to spend on the genuine first graders you need in positions 2 to about 13 in the roster.

 

[Avenger]

Brad Arthur interview:

From 19 minutes - 23/02/15 Re: Hayne return. As I keep saying he only returns to Parra.

http://www.triplem.com.au/sydney/sho...-hour/podcast/

 

[bartman]

Unless he and his management decide not to, when Hayne's a free agent in 2016?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Arthur is certainly toeing the party line.

 

[bartman]

Useless speculation based on opinion, which leads to name calling, is kind of bartmanesque.

:lol: I bow down to the forum master in that regard, the one and only Mr PP Escobar.