Jarryd Hayne to the NFL!

[Poupou Escobar]

I'm interested to see how he goes. I just don't think he's got what it takes.

I think his lack of instincts (i.e. experience) and familiarity with the equipment will let him down, but having seen him literally dominate against the more endurance type athletes in the NRL, I'm confident that Hayne is physically exceptional even by NFL standards.

I don't think he'll make it either, but I really hope he does. I also don't think he'll quit trying any time before 2017.

If he even plays a single down in a competitive NFL game I'll be proud as f**k of him. And I'll still believe he's been a negative influence at our club.

 

[spiderdan]

anyway, we seem to be going in circles here. I've made my own thoughts on his potential known (whether I end up being right or not is another story).

let's just see how it unfolds. I won't say anymore on it.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

probably was or you'd like to think he was?

I don't really care about his 100m speed. As I said, I think his speed is his weak point. When he first came into first grade I though he was a big, slow winger with a good step. I also started to notice that when he ran the ball everyone around him began looking slow as well. That was part of the magic. The guy is a freak.

 

[Joely01]

he has decent technique. he made a big deal about his training in the lead up to that race. technique helps a lot but one of the fastest guys I knew ran a 10.6 without much training and had a similarly shit running style to josh Dugan.

400m and former 200m wr holder Michael Johnson had one of the worst techniques but still moved quick.

A first grade footballer will never be able to run as quick as he could have if he had even just 6 months of pure speed training. They receive way to many niggling injuries during a season to be able to handle the speed training.
Well some people are freakishly quick, the guy you knew being one of them. But week in week out 95% of the time the best technique will win the race/ get the quickest time.

Hayne just needs to be quick enough, I think he is already at that point. With another few months of training he will only getting quicker.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

No not above averge -Here are some the best RB's . Id say 4.53 hayne ran is maybe average-Certainly not above average.

Heres the some RB in NFL 40 mtr dash times
Lynch(4.45)-Mcoy(4.5)-petersen(4.4)Murray(4.4) Eddie lacy(4.44)Matthews(4.45) forte(4.46) Jammal charles(4.36)Miller (4.4)ivory(4.49) Mason(4.44) Sproles 4.47....

You forgot Chris brown 4.24 and cj spiller 4.30 or there abouts.

I have to admit, 4.56 is actually pretty shit tbh - most players stock in those positions would fall dramatically if they posted those numbers...

For a guy who was declared the fastest man in the nrl a few years ago, 4.56 is absolute bog average.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

He's 230 pounds!

 

[Chipmunk]

My point is the extremely valid one that Hayne was the highest paid player in the game. I said he would be on $1M and mister calculations said $900k.

Given the numbers thrown around for some off contract players to be earning next year, it's reasonable to think that $900k for Hayne this year is a conservative estimate.

The average (mean) salary this year is $252k. What do you think Hayne is worth compared to the average player?

I said he was costing us a maximum of 800k under the salary cap, but more than likely closer to $600k. Stop plucking figures out of your ar$e and making up lies.

 

[Suitman]

Your eyes must be painted on. He was the best player on the field against Canberra.

must have been. he killed it v raiders in the last game. I think he may have got 2 or 3 dallys that game.

Bart never lets the facts get in the way of a vendetta.

Suity

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I said he was costing us a maximum of 800k under the salary cap, but more than likely closer to $600k. Stop plucking figures out of your ar$e and making up lies.

You said $900k, reduced due to allowances, which I stated are part of the cap anyway. And why would he 'more than likely' cost 75% of the maximum? Where did you pluck that calculation from?

 

[The Elephant In The room]

You forgot Chris brown 4.24 and cj spiller 4.30 or there abouts.

I have to admit, 4.56 is actually pretty shit tbh - most players stock in those positions would fall dramatically if they posted those numbers...

For a guy who was declared the fastest man in the nrl a few years ago, 4.56 is absolute bog average.

You might think it's shit, (and we don't know if the time is fact or fiction) but supposedly it would have been the 6th faster time at the combine. Must be a dud year of recruits coming through.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

No not above averge -Here are some the best RB's . Id say 4.53 hayne ran is maybe average-Certainly not above average.

Heres the some RB in NFL 40 mtr dash times
Lynch(4.45)-Mcoy(4.5)-petersen(4.4)Murray(4.4) Eddie lacy(4.44)Matthews(4.45) forte(4.46) Jammal charles(4.36)Miller (4.4)ivory(4.49) Mason(4.44) Sproles 4.47....

I'll take your word on Lacy's time, but man he looked slow and unfit this year. Would have needed a big buffet at the finish line to get him to that sort of speed.

For those that aren't fans, just to put a bit of perspective into why the NFL use the 40 yard time, particularly for RB's, this year Marshawn Lynch, one of the codes premier RB's, rushed for his longest run in his 8 year career, and it was "only" 79yards. These boys don't often have to go long distances.

 

[Chipmunk]

You said $900k, reduced due to allowances, which I stated are part of the cap anyway. And why would he 'more than likely' cost 75% of the maximum? Where did you pluck that calculation from?

Because the $800k figure was based on him having an annual income of the maximum amount possible of $1.279, because I proved that no NRL player has an income equal to $1.28million per year.

I do not believe that The Plane was earning anywhere near $1.279 million, I doubt he's income for 2014 was too much more than $1million a season including all payments from Rep games and third party deals, of which a large proportion of these payments would have been from part of his annual income.

I doubt any player in the NRL is generating an income close to $1.2million a year in fact, but like you I do not have facts to prove that.

As well as this, the Marquee Allowance was not part of the Salary Cap in 2014.

So again, these are reasons why I claimed he wasn't costing us much more than $600k under the cap in 2014.

You need to read and interpret what people write, not read what you want to see.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

Because the $800k figure was based on him having an annual income of the maximum amount possible of $1.279, because I proved that no NRL player has an income equal to $1.28million per year.

I do not believe that The Plane was earning anywhere near $1.279 million, I doubt he's income for 2014 was too much more than $1million a season including all payments from Rep games and third party deals, of which a large proportion of these payments would have been from part of his annual income.

I doubt any player in the NRL is generating an income close to $1.2million a year in fact, but like you I do not have facts to prove that.

As well as this, the Marquee Allowance was not part of the Salary Cap in 2014.

So again, these are reasons why I claimed he wasn't costing us much more than $600k under the cap in 2014.

You need to read and interpret what people write, not read what you want to see.

Without getting involved in you and Pou's lovers tiff, I put no stock in the original source of your argument that no NRL player earned more than $1.28m. It's known for being a little unreliable.

If someone like the Plane, Billy Slater or JT don't have 4 or 5 major sponsorship deals worth $100k each (not to mention minor deals), on top of their playing salaries/rep game payments they need to get better agents.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

You might think it's shit, (and we don't know if the time is fact or fiction) but supposedly it would have been the 6th faster time at the combine. Must be a dud year of recruits coming through.

4.56 is the 6th fastest time this year at the combine ey?

For a guy with no exp, supposedly a scored a 10 in the bench reps, speed is one thing he has to show the scouts to take a chance on him.

He needs under 4.5 IMO, as he really has to do something to sell himself.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

I'll take your word on Lacy's time, but man he looked slow and unfit this year. Would have needed a big buffet at the finish line to get him to that sort of speed.

For those that aren't fans, just to put a bit of perspective into why the NFL use the 40 yard time, particularly for RB's, this year Marshawn Lynch, one of the codes premier RB's, rushed for his longest run in his 8 year career, and it was "only" 79yards. These boys don't often have to go long distances.

Lynch has never been known to be a home run hitter, he is ground and pound.

Someone like cj spiller would be capable of going the distance on these types of runs as opposed to lynch if possible.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

And this year is shit for recruits coming out of college, no one excites me, could be the worse draft in years, glad the bills have up there 1st last year

 

[The Elephant In The room]

4.56 is the 6th fastest time this year at the combine ey?

For a guy with no exp, supposedly a scored a 10 in the bench reps, speed is one thing he has to show the scouts to take a chance on him.

He needs under 4.5 IMO, as he really has to do something to sell himself.

As reported for RB's. Obviously, its not even close to the numbers putting out by a lot of the wideouts.

Looking at prior years on the NFL website, a 4.53 would have you ranked (for RB's):

2014 - 13th (faster than Hill, Blue, Hyde and Cro)
2013 - 7th (equal with Gio and Lacy)
2012 - 10th (faster than Morris, well behind Lamar Miller)
2011 - 14th (well behind DeMarco Murray).

 

[Chipmunk]

Without getting involved in you and Pou's lovers tiff, I put no stock in the original source of your argument that no NRL player earned more than $1.28m. It's known for being a little unreliable.

If someone like the Plane, Billy Slater or JT don't have 4 or 5 major sponsorship deals worth $100k each (not to mention minor deals), on top of their playing salaries/rep game payments they need to get better agents.

You may not put any stock into the original source, but it is a reputable publication, which is more substantial evidence and has more credibility than someone just saying a number with no evidence to back it up.

The original discussion came about because Pou Bear claimed that Parra was going to be paying The Plane $1.5+ million per year and costing around $1million under the salary cap this year. I called absolute garbage and provided information to justify my claim. Pou Bear has provided nothing since to substantiate his claim that his figures are anything but in his fantasy world.

I'd agree with you on the number of third party deals that the top NRL players "should have", but there is still no other credible evidence available that any NRL player had an income equal to $1.28 million in 2014. So if the top NRL players did have those multiple third party deals that you refer to, then that just reinforces my claim of the amount that the top players are costing clubs under the Cap.

I maintain and continue to maintain, that no player in the NRL is costing their Club any more than $800k under the salary cap in 2015 and this would have included The Plane if he stuck around.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

As reported for RB's. Obviously, its not even close to the numbers putting out by a lot of the wideouts.

Looking at prior years on the NFL website, a 4.53 would have you ranked (for RB's):

2014 - 13th (faster than Hill, Blue, Hyde and Cro)
2013 - 7th (equal with Gio and Lacy)
2012 - 10th (faster than Morris, well behind Lamar Miller)
2011 - 14th (well behind DeMarco Murray).

You talking about running backs I see.

Still though I think he needs to go under 4.5 in speed. A lot of running bscks are ground and pound these days so whilst they may not have outstanding 40 times they have incredible strength and power to make up for this.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

You talking about running backs I see.

Still though I think he needs to go under 4.5 in speed. A lot of running bscks are ground and pound these days so whilst they may not have outstanding 40 times they have incredible strength and power to make up for this.

Yeah, but I obviously didn't specify that in my first post. I've always thought the 40 times for a RB is overrated (unlike WR's) as they are often only churning out 4-6 yards at a time. 4.53 or 4.47 would make a couple of inches difference over that distance.

I can't see Hayne as a ground and pound guy. Personally I think he'd make a better punt returner than anything as it would utilize his open field running ability (but would also have him up against speedier guys in trying to win a roster spot).