John Morris...

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

ok, firstly has he ever played at lock??? had he ever played in the backrow??? how can u say conclusively that he cant hit-up - although i am suprised by the metres gained by morrison, i have to say stats dont prove everything, and i didnt say Morris to lock straight away, i did say that he had to bulk up, but he would be very good at the position, he is just as tall as morro but 10 kgs lighter and he is just as heavy as widders, a good offseason may see him put on 5kgs and that would be enough IMO and he could fill in the position.


and i retracted my comments on reddy, bcoz of ellementary who proved me wrong with factual evidence instead of just calling me a genius like you, i understand that you at times have to resort to those levels becoz of ur apparent incapabilities to think of logical rebuttals. and u may want to refer to the sticky in the forum on insulting other posters as well... i have no problem abt it, but i wouldnt want u getting banned, then there will be no other comic value - IMO u are the Sir Knight 82 of this forum

 

[Sean7]

Forget about Jeremy Smith and John Morris. I thought our forwards let us down again.

When we needed to get out of our own end, our forwards were often nowhere to be seen. Though, honestly, I don't see any difference when our forwards take hit-ups compared to when our backs do. Cayless especially, looks just like a back when he hits it up. The defense drops him like he's not even there.

When St George needed field position near the end of the game, their forwards stepped up and they were dragging our guys along for the ride.

Smith and Morris weren't great, but they were no worse than our forward back. We might as well just play Moimoi, Hindmarsh and fill the rest up with backs because they end up doing most of the forward's work anyway.

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

IMO grothe was our 3rd best forward, and hes a back

 

[Sean7]

IMO grothe was our 3rd best forward, and hes a back

Grother was awesome. He's our most effective attacking backrower and a better prop than Cayless too.

 

[Pazza]

Yeah Cayless has lost effectivness in the front row. Move him to the back row next year to cover for Morrison and use him as a workhorse ala Ian Hindmarsh.

 

[number8]

I thought Cayless went well. There are always good yards off the back of a Cayless hit up. Maybe not in the hit up itself but he attracts a bit of attention & with his ptb speed opens up unders plays behind the ruck on the next ball. Our dummy halves love him.

 

[lucablight]

Yeah Cayless has lost effectivness in the front row. Move him to the back row next year to cover for Morrison and use him as a workhorse ala Ian Hindmarsh.

.......You're joking right?

 

[eelaholic]

Last night, was by no means, any indication to go off by player performance. Wet conditions such as last night, is an entirely different ball game. Its safe to say that ball security will win you the game. You can forget you kicking game. Only putting up the gamble of the high ball or kicking on the 4th tackle to keep your opponent on their own try line is as far as your options would go.

The only way to gain metres against a tight dragons defence was dummy half running. In obvious greasy conditions, it was not a game for fowards. Even Fui looked tired early on in the game.

Defensively we were strong, with 2 full backs in Hayne and Reddy on the 5th tackle. Rarely did you see Eric drop back as well. To hold a classy team like the dragons tryless until the 80th minute is braggable, especially for us.

As for Morris and Tim Smith combination, they have their plans well executed. Morris is the bomb/high ball specialist, whereas, like a half back should, Tim is more of the directive kicker.

I guess you could say the position of 5/8th (which is strictly a position named after mathematics) is close to becoming redundant. The game has certainly changed, even since last year. Keep up with the game, or linger at the bottm of the table. You'll either play a game of 2 half backs, or 2 hookers and a half back. You'll have noticed last week against the roosters that even PJ Marsh had more of a kicking game than our halves

Whilst John Morris is strong at hooker, he is no where as strong a hooker as he was in say 2003 (where he stood out in an ordinary team). If he can be more of a second half back and become explosive out of dummy half in a 5/8 capacity, he can compliment the half back, whether it be jeremy or timmy, and certainly help to put the much needed points on the board. It would certainly create a lot of go forward for the attack and tire the defence of the opposition with the possibility of creating a penality for failing to get back onside.

We certainly have the recipe of a winning team. We just need to get the mix just right to make it memorable. Its just a matter of making everything gel. It'll come with time.

 

[number8]

.......You're joking right?

They'd have to be.......... Right?

 

[Utey]

Horrible game to judge him by, but all truth he isnt a 5/8. I think its a bit of a dilemma with Johnny having to have a start somewhere. Id be having J.Smith at 5/8 and Tim back next week.

J.Smith may not be the flashiest or flamboyant player but he delivers to our backs. Morris halts an chance of a descent backline movement. But he was one of our better players last night.

 

[The EELiminator]

Horrible game to judge him by, but all truth he isnt a 5/8. I think its a bit of a dilemma with Johnny having to have a start somewhere. Id be having J.Smith at 5/8 and Tim back next week.

as mentioned in a few other threads jeremy is facing a lengthly stint on the sideline due to bumping hampstead i doubt very much he'll play next week

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

Last night, was by no means, any indication to go off by player performance. Wet conditions such as last night, is an entirely different ball game. Its safe to say that ball security will win you the game. You can forget you kicking game. Only putting up the gamble of the high ball or kicking on the 4th tackle to keep your opponent on their own try line is as far as your options would go.

The only way to gain metres against a tight dragons defence was dummy half running. In obvious greasy conditions, it was not a game for fowards. Even Fui looked tired early on in the game.

Defensively we were strong, with 2 full backs in Hayne and Reddy on the 5th tackle. Rarely did you see Eric drop back as well. To hold a classy team like the dragons tryless until the 80th minute is braggable, especially for us.

As for Morris and Tim Smith combination, they have their plans well executed. Morris is the bomb/high ball specialist, whereas, like a half back should, Tim is more of the directive kicker.

I guess you could say the position of 5/8th (which is strictly a position named after mathematics) is close to becoming redundant. The game has certainly changed, even since last year. Keep up with the game, or linger at the bottm of the table. You'll either play a game of 2 half backs, or 2 hookers and a half back. You'll have noticed last week against the roosters that even PJ Marsh had more of a kicking game than our halves

Whilst John Morris is strong at hooker, he is no where as strong a hooker as he was in say 2003 (where he stood out in an ordinary team). If he can be more of a second half back and become explosive out of dummy half in a 5/8 capacity, he can compliment the half back, whether it be jeremy or timmy, and certainly help to put the much needed points on the board. It would certainly create a lot of go forward for the attack and tire the defence of the opposition with the possibility of creating a penality for failing to get back onside.

We certainly have the recipe of a winning team. We just need to get the mix just right to make it memorable. Its just a matter of making everything gel. It'll come with time.

whilst i disagree on some point, a good post

 

[Parra Guru]

Geeeeeeeeeeez,

I am definately have not been a Morris 5/8 fan, but some of you guys are being a little harsh on the guy.

I would like to state my honest opinion...

- Individually, I don't think he's ever played better in the position than he is now.

- Which of our halves (on current form) would you replace him with?

- He has been one of our better players this season, and is playing with a lot of ticker.

- He has actually improved since stepping out of the Tim Smith shadow.

Seriously, give the guy a break.

 

[yy_cheng]

I reckon he deserves to be in the team somewhere. I agree that at 5/8th, he does not give quality ball to the outside backs.

If Jeremy is out for a long stint, then for mine, Morris has to stay at 5/8th.

If Jeremy only gets 1 week, then I would shift Morris back to Hooker and play Riddell as a 2nd rower off the bench. I think he gives us alot of go forward as a runner back rower.

My preferred team would be

1. Wade / Joel
2. Grothe
3. Benny / Wagon until Benny becomes fit.
4. Tahu
5. Hayne
6. J Smith
7. T Smith
8. Caylo
9. Morris (gk)
10.Moimoi
11.Hindy (front row when needed)
12.Chad (alternative front row when needed)
13.Morro

14.PJ
15.Widders
16.Riddell (gk)
17.Vella

 

[Sean7]

Last night, was by no means, any indication to go off by player performance. Wet conditions such as last night, is an entirely different ball game. Its safe to say that ball security will win you the game. You can forget you kicking game. Only putting up the gamble of the high ball or kicking on the 4th tackle to keep your opponent on their own try line is as far as your options would go.

The only way to gain metres against a tight dragons defence was dummy half running. In obvious greasy conditions, it was not a game for fowards. Even Fui looked tired early on in the game.

The thing is, St George easily gained metres with their forwards when it counted. As per usual, our forwards couldn't do the same.

 

[Eelementary]

I think we're losing sight of something here...

Yes, the Dragons forwards played better than ours. And yet we still outplayed them IMO. We DESERVED to win.

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

we have deserved to win so many games this yr, yet weve been screwed over by refs... even last weeks game hampstead tried so hard to get his team (roosters) over the line

 

[Pazza]

.......You're joking right?

No i'm not. The only reason it didnt work in the past is because we had a lack of quailty front rowers. It looks like the are going to recruit a couple of good props, plus we got Vella, Tsoulos is a diamond in the rough and Moi Moi is a Gem.

8.Moi Moi
9.Marsh/Riddell
10. New signing
11.Hindmarsh
12.Cayless
13.Robinson

14.Marsh/Riddell
15.New Signing
16.Tsoulos
17.Vella

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

No i'm not. The only reason it didnt work in the past is because we had a lack of quailty front rowers. It looks like the are going to recruit a couple of good props, plus we got Vella, Tsoulos is a diamond in the rough and Moi Moi is a Gem.

8.Moi Moi
9.Marsh/Riddell
10. New signing
11.Hindmarsh
12.Cayless
13.Robinson

14.Marsh/Riddell
15.New Signing
16.Tsoulos
17.Vella

:? could work

 

[Eelementary]

I thought Cayless went well in the second row. Made better metres, and had more of a chance to offload.