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Johnny Ramoane Dies

Red Bear

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Johnny Ramoane, guitarist from the Ramoanes died in his sleep from prostate cancer. Pretty sure he was 55 years old.
 

Ron Jeremy

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Well now

Dee Dee gone!
Joey gone!

and now...John Gone!

I didn't mind them, however i was pissed off when Dee Dee died the same day as Robin Crosby from Ratt, and all the mags wanted to talk about was Dee Dee even though the Ramones never had a platinum album nor were they as popular as Ratt in the US in their hey days.
 

c_eagle

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Ron Jeremy said:
Well now

Dee Dee gone!
Joey gone!

and now...John Gone!

I didn't mind them, however i was pissed off when Dee Dee died the same day as Robin Crosby from Ratt, and all the mags wanted to talk about was Dee Dee even though the Ramones never had a platinum album nor were they as popular as Ratt in the US in their hey days.

The Ramones were the fathers of Punk

Ratt are... who?
 

Ron Jeremy

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Ratt sold 16 million albums in the US, never came to the Southern hemisphere hence the reason why you never heard of them, they were that popular they were the first ones asked to be the soundtrack to TopGun, they are also the band with the soundtrack to " The Golden child".

Ratt sold more albums,concerts etc then The ramones in all there history.

As for being the fathers of punk??, is that really anything to be proud about??, the only decent punk artist was Billy Idol, and he wen't mainstream, he had the right idea.

I don't hate the Ramones, let's get that straight, i just hate this BS that they were so inspirational, if they were how come they never sold all that many albums??
 

Godz Illa

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RIP Johnny. Long live the Ramones.

I think a modicum of respect is in order. Surely this is not the time or place for lame Ratt-induced sour grapes.
 

Ron Jeremy

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Godz Illa said:
RIP Johnny. Long live the Ramones.

I think a modicum of respect is in order. Surely this is not the time or place for lame Ratt-induced sour grapes.

Not sour grapes Illa, i was just making a point.
 

Trollhammaren

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Who gives a f**k how many albums some shithouse hair metal band sold? If that is the only criteria we used to determine influential and superior artists we'd have some pretty shit icons of world music.

This is a tragedy. He was born in 1948, so he's 55-56. Still young and that's 3 gone now.

RIP.
 

Red Bear

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Geez RJ, why is albums sold the only thing that matters to you? Backstreet boys and the like sold millions of albums, and they suck. Mainstream is not the way or the only way. Long Live punk
 

hrundi99

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Ron Jeremy said:
I don't hate the Ramones, let's get that straight, i just hate this BS that they were so inspirational, if they were how come they never sold all that many albums??

Have you heard of Big Star? I guess not.

Hair bands make spineless, boring, dumb and forgettable music.
 

Ron Jeremy

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Boring & dumb??......i reckon it would take more talent to play a song from a hair band then the Ramones.

Hair bands are talented alot more so then punk artists, i mean it isn't rocket science to play the ramones or punk artists.

Album sales are always important, it just shows how many people can relate to the band, i do hate back street boys & Madonna, however they obviously have some appeal & reasonable singing talent to get where they are today.

I do like Joey Ramone, taurean like me :D
 

SpaceMonkey

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Ron Jeremy said:
Hair bands are talented alot more so then punk artists, i mean it isn't rocket science to play the ramones or punk artists.
Technical Death Metal or prog rock both take more talent to play than most hair bands exhibit in their songs, but it doesn't automatically make them better. Music is about more than simply the instrumental skills involved in producing it.
The Ramones are far more instrumental than you realise, all of the big selling pop/punk acts of recent years such as Green Day or Blink 182, plus retro-rock type actds such as the White Stripes and the Strokes have been influenced by them.
 

SpaceMonkey

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Ron Jeremy said:
The Sex Pistols were a million times better.
The Sex Pistols recorded one decent album before self-destructing. The Ramones had an entire career producing classics. Don't confuse hype with talent.
 

Trollhammaren

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Ben from Screeching Weasel said:
One Of Us

Nobody played guitar like Johnny Ramone. Nobody.

Joey’s death seemed like a sick joke; Dee Dee’s was the cruel punchline. Learning of their deaths reminded me of my own age and mortality: life is transitory, and death is final, and when it comes, there’s little warning and no quarter. Hearing about Joey and Dee knocked the wind out of me. No more Joey Ramone, draped on a microphone looking and sounding like something that had just landed from another planet. No more absurd, hilarious novels and stories from Dee Dee. And no more brilliant songs from either of them. The Ramones had always been there, and I guess I’d figured they always would be.

But reading about Johnny Ramone’s death this morning didn’t knock the wind out of me; it hit me in the face like a two-by-four.

Johnny was rock and roll - real rock and roll - personified, and rock and roll doesn’t die. Johnny was the one who had retired with grace and dignity and sold his guitars, no longer having any use for the tools of the trade. Johnny was supposed to get old with his wife and go to ball games and play in his roto league and collect old movie posters and track down rare, bizarre horror films from third world countries. He was supposed to live out his life in relative comfort after having traveled the world so many times over, inspiring so many of us to pick up guitars and make our own music, even though we couldn’t play “Stairway To Heaven” and thought Eddie Van Halen was an annoying wanker.

Johnny Ramone was never recognized as a revolutionary guitarist. Chuck Berry gave us rock and roll guitar playing. Hendrix showed us what the instrument was capable of in the hands of somebody with the ambition, vision and tenacity to bend it to his will. But what Johnny Ramone contributed to rock and roll guitar playing was just as important – maybe even more important – because he took the instrument away from the rock gods and handed it back to the rest of us. Johnny turned the guitar back into a brutal, primal, stunningly effective tool. He proved that you didn’t need to be a virtuoso to be a great guitarist. He reminded the world that rock and roll was supposed to be fun.

Johnny never played flashy leads, and he was never taken seriously by mainstream rock guitarists, and in fact he was only taken seriously by a handful of critics years after he’d changed rock and roll; after he’d brought back the immediacy and urgency and passion of rock and roll guitar playing. Rock and roll had been voluntarily neutered when Johnny first plugged his Mosrite guitar into his Marshall amp. He used the spare parts that had been discarded by the rock gods in favor of pretentious, opera-length solos to create a new monster; a huge, ugly, primitive beast with fangs and claws. He didn’t eschew convention – he spit in its face. He attacked the strings like a crazed soldier pumping rounds into the enemy. He didn’t just play for a crowd; he assaulted them.

You’ve got to understand – I wanted to be Johnny Ramone.

His attitude reflected his musical style. My brief conversations with Johnny when I interviewed him in 1994 were a blast not only because I was able to talk with my hero, but because he embodied everything that I’d always loved about punk rock. He was brutally honest, wickedly funny and by far the most down-to-earth rock star I’d ever encountered. By 1994, he’d resigned himself to the fact that the Ramones would never sell a million records. But if he seemed to be tiring of fighting a never-ending uphill battle to get his music heard, he didn’t express any bitterness. He knew even then that in spite of never getting the spoils, the Ramones had been victorious.

“At times I feel like maybe we deserved a little better,” he said at the time. “These bands all talk about how much they were influenced by the Ramones but when they get big, we try to get on a tour with them and it just doesn’t happen. But I guess it ain’t no big deal. I’m thankful every day when I get up that I can do this for a living.”

Johnny Ramone was supposed to be too tough to die.

Much has been written about Johnny’s role as the leader of the Ramones – his high performance standards, his business acumen and his tendency to rule with an iron fist. Little has been written about the fact that he was trying to work with a group of addicts and alcoholics, nor is it often suggested that the band might well have imploded long before it did if Johnny Ramone hadn’t been around to run the show. For better or worse, Johnny never claimed to be anything he wasn’t, and if some in the Ramones camp didn’t appreciate that his leadership skills too often resembled his aggressive style of guitar playing, they were still always there to write the songs and play the gigs. If Joey and Dee Dee were the heart and soul of the Ramones, it can’t be denied the Johnny was the blood and guts.

Johnny Ramone was a guitarist years ahead of his time, and while he never got his due, I still hold out hope that future generations of rock critics will finally begin to understand the importance of what he did, and how crucial it was to keeping rock and roll alive, not only when the Ramones started – a time when rock and roll seemed to be in serious danger of choking to death on its own excess and self-indulgence - but to this day.

Nobody played guitar like Johnny Ramone. Nobody ever will.

R.I.P.

UPDATE: The offical Ramones site has put up some great photos of Johnny, along with a few essays.

posted by Ben at 1:41 PM


Ramones songs may not be super technical, but that doesn't degrade their work at all. Bloody great and very influencial.

Death to guitar wankery!
 

Anonymous

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For hecks sake GTB, at least try and spell the name right.

The Ramones were an inspiration to a generation of bands and song writers. They came before the Sex Pistols and unlike the Pistols, the Ramones were not a factory band.

I thought the Sex Pistols were tremendous but the Ramones were NY influenced and far more ground breaking.

Anyone who says the Sex Pistols were better simply don't know their punk history. The Clash were better, the Buzzcocks were better, the NY Dolls were better, the Stooges were better... how far shall we go back?
 

fat_mike

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Anyone who says the Sex Pistols were better simply don't know their punk history. The Clash were better, the Buzzcocks were better, the NY Dolls were better, the Stooges were better... how far shall we go back?

The saints were better in my opinion also.

RIP johnny, punk has lost another father. first joey, dee dee and joe strummer now johnny.
 

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