Johns vs Thurston

[Canard]

Langer and lockyer?

Lockyer didn't play in the halves until later in his career.

And due to Super League and old age Johns and Langer rarely matched up, if at all??

QLD won only 3 series in the 90's and were absolutely terrible at Origin Level for the most part. And in the early 2000's were worse. It took a 35 year old Langer to kick the Blue's arses for us to win a series.

 

[lynx000]

Langer and lockyer?

And your point is? Langer was pretty much finished at origin level by the end of 98 and Lockyer was a fullback at that time? I can't see how that invalidates the argument that Johns had a significant run against an inferior Qld halves pairing and in that period from 1999 to 2005 a pretty ordinary Qld team.

 

[betcats]

Langer, Lockyer, Walters, Smith, Thurston. Joey has beat them all before in Origin. In 2005 QLD side was average but then went on an 8 year run? lol.

 

[Canard]

Langer, Lockyer, Walters, Smith, Thurston. Joey has beat them all before in Origin. In 2005 QLD side was average but then went on an 8 year run? lol.

Joey never won a series at halfback against Langer. In fact the only time they directly faced each other (1998) QLD won and Langer dominated.

Joey played against some dogshit ordinary QLD teams and performed inconsistently.

 

[betcats]

Joey never won a series at halfback against Langer. In fact the only time they directly faced each other (1998) QLD won and Langer dominated.

Joey played against some dogshit ordinary QLD teams and performed inconsistently.

Joey has won SOO MOTM the same amount of times as JT. That's with being picked out of position a lot and playing in less games.

MVP 1995 world cup.
SOO MTM 4 times.
DallyM rep player of the year 2005
Golden Boot winner 99,01.
Player of the series AUS v GB 2001.

Yeah that's pretty inconsistent at rep level.

 

[Canard]

Joey has won SOO MOTM the same amount of times as JT. That's with being picked out of position a lot and playing in less games.

MVP 1995 world cup.
SOO MTM 4 times.
DallyM rep player of the year 2005
Golden Boot winner 99,01.
Player of the series AUS v GB 2001.

Yeah that's pretty inconsistent at rep level.

The 1995 World Cup was a half arsed affair due to the Super League War. And Golden Boot's are handed out like GWS Tickets. In that era of International League Australia had to only turn up to win.

I still think Joey achieved more than Thurston at the end of his career.

But My point was that people are quick to condemn the standard of NSW during JT's era, but suddenly go silent when its revealed how average QLD were also.

 

[DiegoNT]

Joey never won a series at halfback against Langer. In fact the only time they directly faced each other (1998) QLD won and Langer dominated.

Joey played against some dogshit ordinary QLD teams and performed inconsistently.

96?
Johns was picked at number 9 and defended at hooker.
In attack johns played halfback and Toovey played hooker.
Beat Alfie langers Qld team 3 nil but I guess it don't count because johns can defend like a hooker

 

[Canard]

96?
Johns was picked at number 9 and defended at hooker.
In attack johns played halfback and Toovey played hooker.
Beat Alfie langers Qld team 3 nil but I guess it don't count because johns can defend like a hooker

Geoff Toovey played halfback. Fact.

See my original statement.

 

[DiegoNT]

The 1995 World Cup was a half arsed affair due to the Super League War.
.

Actually Australia were the only national team affected by the super league war, new Zealand and England both had full strength teams. This came only a year after a very competitive ashes series (against a full strength kangaroos). New Zealand were only a kick for goal away from knocking out australia.

 

[DiegoNT]

Geoff Toovey played halfback. Fact.

See my original statement.

Would you put your house on who passed more from dummy half, Toovey or johns?

 

[Canard]

Actually Australia were the only national team affected by the super league war,

That's my point though, Australia wasn't as strong, so winning the MVP proved to be an easier task.

 

[papabear]

honestly this thread is a joke.

Johns was way better then Thurston.

I will give the QLDers that Thurston is better then Lockyer.

Honestly the next closest players to Johns were stuart, sterling and lewis.

 

[betcats]

The 1995 World Cup was a half arsed affair due to the Super League War. And Golden Boot's are handed out like GWS Tickets. In that era of International League Australia had to only turn up to win.

I still think Joey achieved more than Thurston at the end of his career.

But My point was that people are quick to condemn the standard of NSW during JT's era, but suddenly go silent when its revealed how average QLD were also.

Its a combination of NSW having no halves and generally average teams against the best origin side ever. You literally had the best 1.6.7. and 9. going round every year and the best props and centres aswell.

Some of those QLD sides were average but some were quite good. Some of the NSW teams Joey played in weren't that great either.

 

[DiegoNT]

That's my point though, Australia wasn't as strong, so winning the MVP proved to be an easier task.

Wow! So a rookie winning player of the tournament, in a weakened team, out of position, in a tournament australia weren't expected to win was an easy task?
I guess for a player of John's calibre it was an easy task

 

[typicalfan]

You can't underestimate how hard it would be for anyone to play 7 in attack and 9 in defence especially at origin and test level. Cameron Smith has done it a few times for the Storm and that says a lot about his ability but that is club level and Johns was doing that and dominating in attack.

 

[typicalfan]

If you were to say Lockyer vs Thurston I'd take Thurston for origin but Locky for tests. Locky lifted another gear in the Australian jersey.

 

[Craig Johnston]

lockyer went through an entire career without ever seriously competing for a dally m player of the year. says he played with plenty of cattle alongside him

 

[typicalfan]

Yep but he was still a standout for Australia.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Lockyer was class personified.

Couldn't defend in the front line though. But given that he was already a truly great fullback he ranks right up there with all the greats of the modern era.

 

[TheFrog]

Lockyer couldn't tackle like an Andrew Johns or a Craig Gower but he could tackle. The problem was that if he did too much tackling he'd run out of juice and offer much less in attack and there was the risk he'd pick up an injury. So he needed someone to assist him when oppositions ran their big forwards at him. Tonie Carroll, in particular, did a tremendous job in this regard.