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Josh Hodgson

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Yes... try reading that article from a proper statistician with some analysis skills linked in the Stats thread.

He's about three pages ahead of you in know how, and successfully argues why that's not a good thing.
What he hasn't spelled out for you is how a hooker will obviously draw the greatest disadvantage from being in a team with low possession that is targeted in the middle. Much like how we don't say the winger is the best player for scoring the most tries, the hooker isn't the worst player for missing the most tackles.

Our middle is good in attack and bad in defence. The solution should be obvious, but I'm glad you've finally found someone able to explain it to you. Because, believe me merkin, I've f**ken tried.
 
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Hmm... still at it, I see :face_with_rolling_eyes:. All along it seems you've tried to suggest that despite the evidence of missed tackles etc that Hodgson remains the answer.

It seems you have only started to change your tune after BA (belatedly, compared to suggestions made by many on the forum) decided to swap the majority minutes around between Hodgson and Hands.

This guy has made neither of those errors - instead he produces relevant stats (including comparison across years) to support the analysis that Hodgson is not our answer, and criticises BA for not making the adjustment earlier. But of course you already know that... even as you slowly attempt to now change your tune.
 

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Hmm... still at it, I see :face_with_rolling_eyes:. All along it seems you've tried to suggest that despite the evidence of missed tackles etc that Hodgson remains the answer.
Well as the only specialist hooker besides Rein in our top 30 of course he was the answer. His debut for us was pretty good, when we controlled the ball against the Storm. He fatigued, as any player does over 80+ minutes, but not enough to justify bringing Rein into the 17.
It seems you have only started to change your tune after BA (belatedly, compared to suggestions made by many on the forum) decided to swap the majority minutes around between Hodgson and Hands.
I still haven't changed my tune. Hands has been better than expected but he is still a player who started the year outside the top 30, of all 17 NRL clubs. He had proved nothing and he still hasn't. Five games, including four off the bench, is a very small sample. I am reserving judgement on both players.
This guy has made neither of those errors - instead he produces relevant stats (including comparison across years) to support the analysis that Hodgson is not our answer
Like you he misses the point that rugby league is a team game, and nobody is 'the' answer. He was right when he said we need to complete our sets. Then a player like Hodgson will get the opportunity to be more than a tackling machine and use his skills, as he did against Melbourne in round one. It might well be that he should come on later when our ball control is better, but really we just need to complete our sets in the first half with the same efficiency as we have been completing in the second half. That will mitigate fatigue just as it did last year and in the years before that.
and criticises BA for not making the adjustment earlier.
He can make that criticism when he is providing his analysis earlier, and not after the fact. It's easy to point at the problem (like you experts are so quick to do) but fixing it means choosing from imperfect options without the benefit of hindsight.
 

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Remember the Kenny Edwards Experience? Hopgood’s skill set and size aren’t suited to playing hooker. On top of that his biggest weakness, fitness, would be even more exposed by making him fill in at hooker.
Start Hands, hope he can play 80 but have someone on bench for final 20 or so if he can’t. Hands is our best hooker but he probably isn’t so far in front of others, especially fatigued, that having him on at the death is necessary

all i know is that hodgson is so determenal to team success that he needs to be out of FG as soon as possible. compromises need to be made, solutions have to be found.
 
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Well as the only specialist hooker besides Rein in our top 30 of course he was the answer.
Yes, but he was the wrong answer - which many people were concerned he would be upon signing. The fact the club didn't organise for the right answer doesn't make the only answer they had the right one.
Like you he misses the point that rugby league is a team game, and nobody is 'the' answer.
He's not trying to argue anyone is the answer. You yourself (in the quote above) have tried to argue "of course [Hodgson] was the answer" - at least try and have some internal consistency to your own posts here!
It's easy to point at the problem (like you experts are so quick to do) but fixing it means choosing from imperfect options without the benefit of hindsight.
Yeah...but at least that guy used stats to make suggestions, instead of trying to fight any change until after a decision is taken. If we took anything you posted seriously, we'd all just say "well done club authority figures" no matter what, not discuss the elephants in the room, and accept whatever mediocrity is dished out without comment or question or suggestions for the future, hey?

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He's not trying to argue anyone is the answer. You yourself (in the quote above) have tried to argue "of course [Hodgson] was the answer" - at least try and have some internal consistency to your own posts here!
Those are your words. I meant he was the best option at dummy half, not that he would solve our team's main problem (middle defence) that existed before he arrived. It looks like we need two hookers covering the 80 minutes, but Rein isn't good enough. Lucky for us we have developed Hands to the point where he can cover some of those minutes.
 
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Well if that's what you meant why didn't you say so... instead of parenthetically singing his (potential / historic) virtues and just admit or agree Hodgson contributes (worsens) the team's middle defence issue?
 

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Hodgson isn’t the reason our middle defence is rubbish, but he certainly doesn’t help.
Why is it so bad? The only differences to our middle defence this year are Hodgson, Hopgood and that new defence coach Steve Anotelli. Have those 3 ruined our defence?
(Matterson has spent time in the middle and the edge just like last year so didn’t include that as a difference).
 

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Why is it so bad? The only differences to our middle defence this year are Hodgson, Hopgood and that new defence coach Steve Anotelli. Have those 3 ruined our defence?
(Matterson has spent time in the middle and the edge just like last year so didn’t include that as a difference).

Our middle defence has been crap for years it's just worse with Hodgson being added.

We don't dominate in tackles barely getting 3 in a tackle like other sides.
 

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Our middle defence has been crap for years it's just worse with Hodgson being added.

We don't dominate in tackles barely getting 3 in a tackle like other sides.
Our middle defence was good enough last year. It got us top 4 and a grand final. This year it is much worse. It’s utter shit.
 
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Maybe it's the Matterson factor - didn't give a f**k about the team to save $4K, so the flow down effect is other merkins don't give as much of a damn about their on field defence?
 

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Why is it so bad? The only differences to our middle defence this year are Hodgson, Hopgood and that new defence coach Steve Anotelli. Have those 3 ruined our defence?
(Matterson has spent time in the middle and the edge just like last year so didn’t include that as a difference).
It's bad because it's always been bad.

I'm not sure it's as simple as blaming the obvious differences.

Are the other dickheads in the team defending as well as they have been in previous years?

Are we hanging on to the ball as well as we used to?

Are we marching up the field like we used to?

Are we dominating field position like we used to?

Hodgson is plop. But he isn't the sole reason we are pillows in defence. Plenty of other players need to have a good hard look at themselves.
 

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I didn’t say it was the reason it got us top 4. I specifically said it was ‘good enough’ to get us top 4.
This year it is no where near good enough.
It’s not the main reason we aren’t performing this year. It’s a by-product of a lot of other areas that are poor.

If we get those other areas of our game back to where they were last year then we might still be able to compete despite our below average middle defence. It’s what we were able to do last year.
 

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We've turned into a team of Striders. Must have lost a bet.

I honestly think we've just lost our drive. A lot of guys have been up for the last 4yrs. Gotten to the finals. It's a long season and then the thumping in the grand final. The idea of how hard they need to work to get their again can be mentally draining. I feel Penrith are also mentally struggling a little but are such a good side are still able to be off and compete. And to be fair we've still competed but just not getting over the line.
The next 4 weeks is our season. I think we need to win all 4.
 

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