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JT and GI to lead NRL support for Adam Goodes by performing Aboriginal War Dance

lockyno1

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If that is the problem then they should take it out on the AFL Match Review Tribunal. Last time I looked I'm pretty sure Adam Goodes is not a member of it. He does not control what they do.

That is the number 1 problem. I watch the game sometimes (haven't this year as frankly I have been loving every league game), but my family are Hawthorn members. Their answer to the booing was very simple, he isn't booed for racial reasons. He is booed because he has got away with incidents while their players got suspended. So in other words he is a protected species a bit. As I said I don't know the sport well enough to comment on what incidents, but if the booing isn't racial, I have no problem with it.
 

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The weird thing is this whole issue come out of an interaction with the crowd, which is what he was widely criticized for and is apparently one of the reasons his hated. People in the afl forget about the last time a player interacted with a crowd. In that occasion there wasn't any racial undertones and on that occasion the player was supported afl wide for is stance against the crowd. It was celebrated as great theatre and I'm pretty sure afl used it in promos. That player enjoyed many years of respect as he won a brownlow and premiership s and was cheered by many afl fans and was praised as a champion of the game.
The player in question? ADAM GOODES in the 2006 finals against the west coast eagles
What has changed in that time for goodes to go from respected for standing up to the crowd to hated for standing up to the crowd?
Oh yeah it's because he dives for penalties


That was Mickey O, not Goodes....

I suppose they all look the same to you....


:p
 

DiegoNT

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That was Mickey O, not Goodes....

I suppose they all look the same to you....


:p

My bad you are right was Micheal O.
Point remains he was never criticized for engaging with the crowd, but it's one of the reasons to hate Goodes.
Goodes was respected up until he made his stand against racism and exposed the racism issues the afl has
 
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Fans have short attention spans.

It may have originally started as a racially fueled reason to boo him.

Now they are doing it purely because it's 'the thing' to do and it gets under his skin, his reactions to it are proving that.

Same way people were booing DCE. Difference is DCE comes out and says it doesn't affect him and he is sure in time everyone will get over it. Whereas Goodes has been pissing and whinging about it making it more of a reason for the fans to keep digging at him.

What people also dismiss in relation to the celebratory war dance is, he directed it directly at the opposing fans. Now what sort of reaction is that going to promote? Well of course it's going to be somewhat antagonistic. Unfortunately what should have been seen as a proud cultural celebration was seen as incitement and targeted when it shouldn't have been. GI doesn't make a point of rushing off to the nearest opposition fans or opposition fans bay, he just celebrates instantly.

No one in the NRL has an issue with any celebrations or the Haka for example, but they aren't targeted directly at opposition fans are they?

It reminds me a little bit of the Adebyaor goal celebration targetting the fans. It was always going to incite the fans.

Obvious that there is certainly a big element of racism that started it, but now they are just targeting him because it gets under his skin.

He shouldn't have to be silent on racial issues. However if he just shutup and play footy or made mention that it motivates him to do well against their side and win the game it would lose traction with fans much quicker as it would get boring for them to continue it.
 

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people don't boo goodes because he's aborigine, people boo him cause they think he's a wanker. the same way gallen gets booed in qld, the pm gets booed anywhere. but they're white so there's no chance of invoking a racial inference to cover the fact everyone thinks you're a dickhead.

Correct ... how many games was it that Wally Lewis missed because he was called a wanker ?
 

DiegoNT

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Fans have short attention spans.

It may have originally started as a racially fueled reason to boo him.

Now they are doing it purely because it's 'the thing' to do and it gets under his skin, his reactions to it are proving that.

Same way people were booing DCE. Difference is DCE comes out and says it doesn't affect him and he is sure in time everyone will get over it. Whereas Goodes has been pissing and whinging about it making it more of a reason for the fans to keep digging at him.

What people also dismiss in relation to the celebratory war dance is, he directed it directly at the opposing fans. Now what sort of reaction is that going to promote? Well of course it's going to be somewhat antagonistic. Unfortunately what should have been seen as a proud cultural celebration was seen as incitement and targeted when it shouldn't have been. GI doesn't make a point of rushing off to the nearest opposition fans or opposition fans bay, he just celebrates instantly.

No one in the NRL has an issue with any celebrations or the Haka for example, but they aren't targeted directly at opposition fans are they?

It reminds me a little bit of the Adebyaor goal celebration targetting the fans. It was always going to incite the fans.

Obvious that there is certainly a big element of racism that started it, but now they are just targeting him because it gets under his skin.

He shouldn't have to be silent on racial issues. However if he just shutup and play footy or made mention that it motivates him to do well against their side and win the game it would lose traction with fans much quicker as it would get boring for them to continue it.

2 points
1. The issue Goodes has is racism. It's not really a minor thing. DCE is being booed for doing the wrong thing by dicking the titans over. I'm sure DCE has apologized for doing the wrong thing. Goodes has been booed for his stand against racism, he's actually done the right thing in this occasion and I don't think we'll ever have a day were adam apoligizes for making a stand against racism.
People are saying adam should just ignore the racist taunts and to harden up about it, yet the same people are saying they were threatened by imaginary Spears

2. People have a problem with his dance against the crowd, but in my point were I mistakenly got adam mixed up with Michael O'laughlin, when there wasn't a racial issue with it, what michael did was celebrated as great theater and used in afl's own promos
 

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Who the f**k is this Adam Goodes dude?

seems like a few too many posters on here know a bit too much about aussie rules.

they could clap or boo everything AFL player before I could give a f**k.
 

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For someone who encounters racism every day you probably wouldn't appreciate how amazing this moment was, that someone finally stood up and had the courage to say that racism should never be allowed to be accepted and calling out anyone that promotes racism
 

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Like it or not Racism is still a very strong issue in Australia, generational changes in my opinion are slowly phasing it out. Like it or not some old thick headed bull set in his ways won't ever change but the younger generations generally seem more accepting which will hopefully continue until such issues are confined to the inevitable small group of wankers that there is always going to be in life.

Things swings both ways as well, coming from an an area with a big indigenous population I've witnessed plenty of typical anti indigenous racism but I've also witnessed plenty of people being called "white ####s" as well completely without provocation. This should also be addressed in any "stand" against racism. Two wrongs don't make a right.
 

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If it's racist why don't they boo the other 70 odd aboriginal players in the AFL?

They're not booing him for his race
They are booing him for his stand against racism
That's were the racial elements come into this issue
 

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Remember how outraged Australians were by the vilification of Andrew Symonds. Seems like they get a huff on when racism at home is pointed out though.
 

lockyno1

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So the answer is no.

He was booed, just by specific clubs, wasn't by every single club before. There are always dumb supporters, heaven knows the NRL have them too...I mean do we need to remind ourselves what happened on Good Friday again?

It isn't racist, I mean I can't stand him much, although I have never bothered to boo anyone at a game.
 
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