June 2018: Aust v Eng in England - 5 ODI/+T20

[TheParraboy]

The jury is still out for me on Stoinis as the designated all rounder. He is a bit like Maxwell one good score surrounded by several moderate ones. His bowling is no better than Hilton Cartwright..his all round predecessor. The best all round prospect I see at the moment is the young Qlander Jake Wildermuth. CA agrees picking him in our T20 squad.

Unecessary pressure on Stoinis to bat in the top 5, he is not for that. He is handy for a few overs, and can cause carnige with the bat, with 10-12 overs to go or so. Id have him batting no higher than 7

Wildermuth should have been on this tour, maybe not a bad thing he wasn't.

 

[baggygreen man]

Id seriously Have Warner back IF he can get some form under his belt prior the WC

Finch has been too slow but no one else at this stage is putting theior hand up

Pending form and fitness id go for
Warner
Carey (wk)
Lynn
Smith
Head (can bowl a few overs of spin)
Maxwell (can bowl a few overs of spin)
MMarsh
Stoinis
Cummins
Starc
Haze or Lyon (pending conditions)

I have a problem with your middle order. Too much if with Lynn and Maxwell. Lynnsanity is amazing on his day.. like Maxie but both are inconsistent.. more suited to T20 imho. They would make way for someone like Weatherald and Khawaja in my side. I still have a soft spot for George Bailey. His mentorship with the younger members of the WC side would be invaluable.

My WC Squad:

Smith
Khawaja
Bailey
Warner
Head
Carey
M Marsh (c)
Hazlewood
starc
Cummins
Swepson.


Agar
Kane Richardson/Winter
Ferguson/Weatherald.
Faulkner/Wildermuth

 

[baggygreen man]

Unecessary pressure on Stoinis to bat in the top 5, he is not for that. He is handy for a few overs, and can cause carnige with the bat, with 10-12 overs to go or so. Id have him batting no higher than 7

Wildermuth should have been on this tour, maybe not a bad thing he wasn't.

Mitch Marsh can do the carnage hitting. No cleaner, more powerful striker in the shorter game (except Lynn) imho.

 

[TheParraboy]

Doubt Bailey will be there, but funnier things have happened

You don't just want MMarsh to be the lone wolf to cause carnige
On batting belters you need a few guys who can go beserk and keep the up tempo (see poms model)

 

[baggygreen man]

Doubt Bailey will be there, but funnier things have happened

You don't just want MMarsh to be the lone wolf to cause carnige
On batting belters you need a few guys who can go beserk and keep the up tempo (see poms model)

James Faulkner? I remember he used to be called " the finisher".

 

[baggygreen man]

I have a problem with your middle order. Too much if with Lynn and Maxwell. Lynnsanity is amazing on his day.. like Maxie but both are inconsistent.. more suited to T20 imho. They would make way for someone like Weatherald and Khawaja in my side. I still have a soft spot for Geoge Bailey. His mentorship with the younger members of the WC side would be invaluable.

My WC Squad:

Warner
Carey
Smith
Bailey
Khawaja
Head
M Marsh (c)
Hazlewood
starc
Cummins
Swepson.


Agar
Kane Richardson/Winter
Weatherald.
Faulkner/Wildermuth

baggers

 

[TheParraboy]

James Faulkner? I remember he used to be called " the finisher".

pending form and fitness

If Faulks is killing it leading up to the WC squad being announced over Stoinis or Maxwell id id have him

there are arguments left right and centre for now

 

[baggygreen man]

where can I delete a post?

 

[ANTiLAG]

Doubt Bailey will be there, but funnier things have happened

You don't just want MMarsh to be the lone wolf to cause carnige
On batting belters you need a few guys who can go beserk and keep the up tempo (see poms model)

Yeah, very true, and this is where Australia's over reliance on Maxwell in the past has been shown.

If you have 3 in the side, Maxwell, Marsh and Stoinis, if each one comes off 1 innings in 4 (3 would be ideal, but even at 4) - Australia is already going to be winning more games cos some games the top will fire and not need the middle.

 

[Eelectrica]

England have been playing like the whole match is T20. Going nuts from start to finish.

With pitches produced as a highways it seems the right approach. If the rule makers could make the game a contest between bat and ball again we'd need a rethink. The way it is though we need to go full tilt from start to finish just to be in the game.

 

[TheParraboy]

where can I delete a post?

which post #

ill delete it if you cant

(delete option at bottom of post, but only for a while)

 

[TheParraboy]

5th and final match on Sunday 800pm

Right about 2nd state of origin time

What a hard choice what to watch....

 

[baggygreen man]

which post #

ill delete it if you cant

(delete option at bottom of post, but only for a while)

Seems I have duplicated the WC Squad post. Where at bottom of post?

 

[ANTiLAG]

Seems I have duplicated the WC Squad post. So if I need to delete something I have to ask you.. a mod?

Many users here just strip out their duplicated text and write "duplicate"

 

[Eelectrica]

5th and final match on Sunday 800pm

Right about 2nd state of origin time

What a hard choice what to watch....

Yeah, watch Origin between overs... or not.

The final ODI could be a better alternative than Phil Gould and the half time show maybe. Not hard to top the half time show.

 

[baggygreen man]

England have been playing like the whole match is T20. Going nuts from start to finish.

With pitches produced as a highways it seems the right approach. If the rule makers could make the game a contest between bat and ball again we'd need a rethink. The way it is though we need to go full tilt from start to finish just to be in the game.

England have been getting off to flyers via Bairstow and Roy.. as both are not just hitters but have solid techniques . That is why I would like to see specialist bats such as Khawaja and say Smith opening the batting for us. The power hitters can do their stuff in the later stages.

 

[ANTiLAG]

England have been getting off to flyers via Bairstow and Roy.. as both are not just hitters but have solid techniques . That is why I would like to see specialist bats such as Khawaja and say Smith opening the batting for us. The power hitters can do their stuff in the later stages.

Roy and Hales do not have solid techniques. At all.

Bairstow is a proper technical batsman but he is looking to score fast and put bat on a lot of ball, even if unsightly carve shots.

 

[baggygreen man]

Roy and Hales do not have solid techniques. At all.

Bairstow is a proper technical batsman but he is looking to score fast and put bat on a lot of ball, even if unsightly carve shots.

Never said Hales. Roy looks solidish.

 

[baggygreen man]

Never said Hales. Roy looks solidish. Point is you need some solidity in a one day side.. not just hitters. Australia has none other than Shaun Marsh that I would call technically correct.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Never said Hales. Roy looks solidish.

I know you didn't say Hales. But Roy is little different from Hales.

They're clubbers, hitting the ball hard with the bat gripped in hard hands.

They would love to be test quality batsmen I presume, but they're not. I wouldn't be surprised if they had little idea compared to test quality where their off stump was, but they hit the ball. Even out in front of them.

And in ODI, they're not even as reliable as Martin Guptill. But they have a team role, and they execute it more than well enough for England to win.

While it may sound ludicrous to many, the best player in a broad role is not always the best team member in a more specialised role within the XI, the old adage of a champion team beats a team of champions is very much true for a reason.

The blueprint is no longer about finding the 5 best batsmen, 1 best allrounder and keeper, and 4 best bowlers. Now it is about picking the best XI.

Look at Parraboy's team again for example, he is bringing 3 quality bowlers where one bats a bit, with Maxwell, Head*, Stoinis and MMarsh - giving 4 options to get through 20 overs. Even a batsman versus a spud wants a sighter. The more sighters, the lower the E/R - plus it makes it easier for the captain not to count overs entirely accurately.

And these 4 guys are not even the best batsmen in Australia, Khawaja and Finch would certainly have claims before them. But they hit the ball hard when they bat, as well as bowl, and Maxwell brings a fielding element too.

Why do you think England bowl Joe Root early every game that Stokes misses when replaced by Hales?

*Head for Finch opening with Carey in the middle order is a change I would consider making in PB's team. But I get where he is going with in the bowling department, plus Finch isn't the best fielder by a long way, so PB's team is still very good and reasonable in my opinion. I just think Finch - while having been too slow of late, is still scoring runs and I'd be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.