June 2018: Aust v Eng in England - 5 ODI/+T20

[hineyrulz]

Finch 100 in good time and ran out of puff again. 101 to Don Darsh. Throw in a quickfire 63 from Head and we were headed to a huge score.

Then Stoinis came in at 4. Agar at 5. Carey 6. Paine 7. And nek minnet 8/310.

Agar at 5? Get f**ked Langer.

Batting has been the major problem all series so let’s weaken it.

We have been picking an unbalanced batting line up for 18 months and we wonder why we keep losing???

The great Woakes would be batting at 3 in this line up.

 

[hineyrulz]

Oh and we got pumped by 6 wickets, we were only about 70 runs too short.

 

[_snafu_]

Ellyse Perry would put in a better effort.

 

[hineyrulz]

Ellyse Perry would put in a better effort.

Sif she would play with this pack of Plodders.

 

[TheParraboy]

Finch 100 in good time and ran out of puff again. 101 to Don Darsh. Throw in a quickfire 63 from Head and we were headed to a huge score.

Then Stoinis came in at 4. Agar at 5. Carey 6. Paine 7. And nek minnet 8/310.

Agar at 5? Get f**ked Langer.

I can see we go with this top 6 in our opening World Cup match

Finch
Marsh
Agar
Stoinis
Marsh
Paine

 

[hineyrulz]

I can see we go with this top 6 in our opening World Cup match

Finch
Marsh
Agar
Stoinis
Marsh
Paine

Needs more WA players.

Ashton Turner and Will Bosisto FTW!!

 

[Twizzle]

gee hasn't the Space Cadet made a big impact on this team, we are at an all time low

how fortunate we are he didn't get his hands on this team earlier,

hard to believe some of these selections

 

[ANTiLAG]

Finch 100 in good time and ran out of puff again. 101 to Don Darsh. Throw in a quickfire 63 from Head and we were headed to a huge score.

Then Stoinis came in at 4. Agar at 5. Carey 6. Paine 7. And nek minnet 8/310.

Agar at 5? Get f**ked Langer.

This is really debatable to be honest on a flat pitch vs England (without Woakes and Plunkett).

Finch and Marsh let Root bowl at him for 10 overs for just 44 runs (Head actually tried to be brisk).

The game was lost right there. I was just dumbfounded they let Root bowl at them for 10 overs, and Root was getting more economical the more he bowled. It was ridiculous. Australia were treating him with such respect, you'd think Murali was bowling. Root was almost jogging back to his mark, he got through the overs like lightning. He was bowled out, all ten of his overs, by the 27th over! Finch was 51(68), and SMarsh was 18(30).

CA's solution to firepower batting which bats deep is to strengthen the bowling? Well its not working. Not in Australia and not in England. So it is about time Australia should be taking on England's bowlers instead.

How many times is Australia going to score 300 and watch England chase it down with overs to spare?

 

[Timbo]

His belief in Agar just beggars it. He should be nowhere near the Australian team.

Lyon proved again he's a very good limited overs bowler. But why would we want a competent spinner when we can have Agar or Maxwell bowling nude-nuts that disappear into the car park?

The fact that with Smith and Warner gone, we didn't call up at least two of Bailey, Ferguson or White for just a shred of experience in the top 6 and chose to go with what we did absolutely beggars belief. We have three batsmen in the squad, and one of them is Marsh ffs.

We were a bit more hamstrung with the bowling given the injuries, but maybe someone like Ben Cutting to add just a bit of experience?

 

[Eelectrica]

Bowlers need to be taking wickets. 4 out with their batsmen going nuts ain't going to cut it.
Lyon our most economical should have had his 10, but maybe he was saved for that vital 50th over. Oh wait...

Not sure about Cutting though he runs hot and cold. Mostly cold it seems.

 

[Eelectrica]

CA's solution to firepower batting which bats deep is to strengthen the bowling? Well its not working. Not in Australia and not in England. So it is about time Australia should be taking on England's bowlers instead.

How many times is Australia going to score 300 and watch England chase it down with overs to spare?

Once more at least. Unless England bat first I guess.
Our batsmen have no confidence against spin if Root is tieing us down.
It'd be like being tied up by Joe Burns for 4 overs in BBL.

 

[Timbo]

Bowlers need to be taking wickets. 4 out with their batsmen going nuts ain't going to cut it.
Lyon our most economical should have had his 10, but maybe he was saved for that vital 50th over. Oh wait...

Not sure about Cutting though he runs hot and cold. Mostly cold it seems.

Who else then? After the big 3, it's a pretty shallow pool.

Oh for the days when Michael Kasprowicz and Stuart Clark were shield toilers who we could call up when needed. Forget them even - Oh for the days when Damien Wright and Joe Dawes were shield toilers we could call upon!

 

[Bazal]

Who else then? After the big 3, it's a pretty shallow pool.

Oh for the days when Michael Kasprowicz and Stuart Clark were shield toilers who we could call up when needed. Forget them even - Oh for the days when Damien Wright and Joe Dawes were shield toilers we could call upon!

I think we've got plenty of bowlers...problem is they're almost all injured at the moment or inexplicably not selected.

Starc
Haze
Cummins
NCN
Paris
Behrendorrf
Bird
Mitch Marsh
Zampa
Swepson
Mennie
Worrall
Tremain
Cutting

Before even looking at any youngsters. Yeah ok maybe there are a few there who aren't likely ODI bowlers, and some who are deadset plodders, but if you get down to those guys and still have one or two front line bowlers you'll be ok.

I think the main issue we've got is what you touched on earlier. We've gone for an attack that's just got no experience. Stanlake, Jhye Richardson, Neser, and Tye have a handful of ODIs between them and Kane Richardson, although decent, is a perennial back up. There's no one to lead the attack, no one you can rely on for a breakthrough or to build pressure like a Starc or a Cummins or a Hazlewood.

A guy like Andrew Tye can be deadly within a quality attack, and he had a bowling average of 21 before the last two games...

 

[Timbo]

A guy like Andrew Tye can be deadly within a quality attack, and he had a bowling average of 21 before the last two games...

Yeah - he reminds me a lot of Ian Harvey. Chokes the life out of you in the middle if he's got quality strike bowlers around him. When he's the main man though...

 

[ANTiLAG]

The Aussie bowling isn't the problem for the most part even though I missed Tye's century.

I think it is more a problem with Australian team balance and batting approach. Australia used to bat deep with Haddin at 8 in the last World Cup, now they often have Agar at 7, Paine and Carey both in the team at 5 and 6. That is woeful. Stoinis is the top 4, and yet there are bowlers from 7 down?

England, win or lose, are going to keep regularly posting well in excess of 300 on flat pitches, doesn't matter if its India, NZ, SA or Australia.

They bat deep, Woakes at 8 often, Willey at 9, Plunkett and Rashid at 10 and 11 (seriously look at their FC stats), and Bairstow, Roy and Hales just start swinging every single game they open. It is like 'Double-McCullum'. Root is the only measured batsman (because even Morgan will join the blitzkreig when he thinks fit) and even Root is striking at over 90 when he bats 3. Stokes, Buttler, Ali - they're so jacked up on confidence knowing that even if they fail and the team spectacularly fail, that they're not going to get dropped from the ODI team and this is how they will continue to play at the World Cup next year.

Australia thinks to solve this they need to increase their bowling? No. Australia needs to score more runs especially in the first 25 and 40 overs.

 

[Bazal]

The Aussie bowling isn't the problem for the most part even though I missed Tye's century.

I think it is more a problem with Australian team balance and batting approach. Australia used to bat deep with Haddin at 8 in the last World Cup, now they often have Agar at 7, Paine and Carey both in the team at 5 and 6. That is woeful. Stoinis is the top 4, and yet there are bowlers from 7 down?

England, win or lose, are going to keep regularly posting well in excess of 300 on flat pitches, doesn't matter if its India, NZ, SA or Australia.

They bat deep, Woakes at 8 often, Willey at 9, Plunkett and Rashid at 10 and 11 (seriously look at their FC stats), and Bairstow, Roy and Hales just start swinging every game. Root is the only measured batsman, and even he is striking at over 90 when he bats 3. Stokes, Buttler, Ali - they're so jacked up on confidence knowing that even if they fail and the team spectacularly fail, that they're not going to get dropped from the ODI team and this is how they will continue to play at the World Cup next year.

Australia thinks to solve this they need to increase their bowling? No. Australia needs to score more runs especially in the first 25 and 40 overs.

Thanks, genius.

Who on earth would have thought that, with the loss of three of our most dangerous ODI bats to suspension/injury, we'd be short on batting?? Especially during a series played smack in the off-season.

It took cutting insight to come up with that one...

 

[ANTiLAG]

Thanks, genius.

Who on earth would have thought that, with the loss of three of our most dangerous ODI bats to suspension/injury, we'd be short on batting?? Especially during a series played smack in the off-season.

It took cutting insight to come up with that one...

Who are your three most dangerous ODI bats?

Warner and...

Or do you really think Steve Smith will help you turn 300 into more like 400?

Its not like Shaun Marsh isn't piling on the runs in Smith's absence. Its not like Finch still isn't scoring centuries, but it is all so much slower in SR than what England do. Home or away.

Perhaps you should read some of Steve Smith's comments when England was thrashing Australia in Australia earlier this year. Perhaps take a look at how Australia went in the Champs Trophy last year.

 

[Bazal]

Yeah - he reminds me a lot of Ian Harvey. Chokes the life out of you in the middle if he's got quality strike bowlers around him. When he's the main man though...

Quality death bowler as well, but when the opposition are only 2 or 3 down with 300+ on the board in the final ten there's just no scoring pressure to work with.

I think all the bowlers in this lineup would be perfectly fine ODI bowlers as part of an attack with two or three of our top five quicks. A couple of them might even be very good, like Tye.

I genuinely think a fully fit side will still be competitive at the World Cup next year. People are reading an awful lot into a random one off series in the middle of winter with the most important parts of a full 11 missing.

 

[Bazal]

Who are your three most dangerous ODI bats?

Warner and...

Or do you really think Steve Smith will help you turn 300 into more like 400?

Its not like Shaun Marsh isn't piling on the runs in Smith's absence. Its not like Finch still isn't scoring centuries, but it is all so much slower in SR than what England do. Home or away.

Do you really think Smith doesn't make a huge difference to a batting lineup?

Anyway there's no point trying to discuss cricket with you, so feel free to continue with in your in-depth insights into the bleeding obvious...

 

[simmo1]

I genuinely think a fully fit side will still be competitive at the World Cup next year. People are reading an awful lot into a random one off series in the middle of winter with the most important parts of a full 11 missing.

I feel like we say something similar after every ODI series.