Junior Amone

[since77]

Well if he is overhyped what is Bud?

With bugger all time in 1st grade and even less time in the halves in 1st grade we have a multiple people saying drop Amone, shift Hunt all on the back of reserve garde form from a reserve grade side that did poorly.

Criminal charges etc all aside Amone deserves to get a run in 1st grade on the back of his more than adequate initial year in the top grade.

Or perhaps all the posters that said that with the juniors you have to pick and stick were just full of shit and they were just being hypocritical when they bagged out Hook.

Put aside an injury to Sullivan last year and then the criminally incompetent misuse of Sullivan in the second half of the year by Griffin and you might have seen what Sullivan is capable of. Out of the 3 guys with the big wraps on them coming through - Sloan, Amone and Sullivan, Sullivan is the one that’s really going to bite us on the ass if he leaves us for another club. He’s not overhyped - he‘s been horribly neglected by a moron of a coach who should be in charge of an unlucky reserve grade team somewhere.

 

[Maximus]

It's a technicality. Personally I don't think that he should ever throw on the red V again. However our club has a horrible recent history of allowing such behaviour

Just curious, but what history do we have of allowing someone to play after being charged with grievous bodily harm?

 

[Mojo]

Well if he is overhyped what is Bud?

With bugger all time in 1st grade and even less time in the halves in 1st grade we have a multiple people saying drop Amone, shift Hunt all on the back of reserve garde form from a reserve grade side that did poorly.

Criminal charges etc all aside Amone deserves to get a run in 1st grade on the back of his more than adequate initial year in the top grade.

Or perhaps all the posters that said that with the juniors you have to pick and stick were just full of shit and they were just being hypocritical when they bagged out Hook.

From what I’ve seen I think Sullivan is more talented than Amone. Just my opinion. Admittedly, we need to see more of him in 1st grade before we can compare apples with apples. I do think Amone has been over hyped. Hopefully, he’ll prove me wrong. All three of the young guns look best when they’re all on the field at the same time.

 

[The Villain]

Just curious, but what history do we have of allowing someone to play after being charged with grievous bodily harm?

Packer.

 

[Old Timer]

Put it this way if Amone had not had his melt down moment of stupidity and criminal behaviour and had had a normal offseason and preseason how many would be saying that Amone must be dropped to make way for Sullivan?

The truth be known next to nobody would be saying that.

The moral majority would have turned their attention to either of the following

Hunt moving to 9 to allow Bud to 7
or
Bud to 9 Liddle to bench Mybe to reserves
or
Bud to 14 and then during the game Hunt to 9 Bud to 7 and Liddle reserved out
or
Hook sacked Bud to 7 Hunt to 9 or see you later Ben

Truth be known the Amone fiasco if he is ineligible just makes it easier not necessarily correct.

All behavioural issues aside if Amone is eligible under the NRL criteria to be selected and the club has not torn up his contract then in light of all similar decisions it has made there is no substantive reason why Amone would make way for Sullivan because if there was where are all the posts from last year to say it should have been done then?

 

[Mojo]

Put it this way if Amone had not had his melt down moment of stupidity and criminal behaviour and had had a normal offseason and preseason how many would be saying that Amone must be dropped to make way for Sullivan?

The truth be known next to nobody would be saying that.

The moral majority would have turned their attention to either of the following

Hunt moving to 9 to allow Bud to 7
or
Bud to 9 Liddle to bench Mybe to reserves
or
Bud to 14 and then during the game Hunt to 9 Bud to 7 and Liddle reserved out
or
Hook sacked Bud to 7 Hunt to 9 or see you later Ben

Truth be known the Amone fiasco if he is ineligible just makes it easier not necessarily correct.

All behavioural issues aside if Amone is eligible under the NRL criteria to be selected and the club has not torn up his contract then in light of all similar decisions it has made there is no substantive reason why Amone would make way for Sullivan because if there was where are all the posts from last year to say it should have been done then?

Fair enough. Although I do believe we’d be better off if Hunt would play 9, making it possible for Sullivan 7 and Amone 6. I‘ve read the endless debate about it and it hasn’t altered my opinion that I don’t think Hunt is doing the right thing by the club by insisting on staying at 7. It’s obvious too that Macca played at 9 all of the last two years at Hunt’s insistence, which I reckon practically buggered our performance for those two years. Hunt‘s a great player but is he that good that we practically sell our soul to him? Besides, it‘s a second mortgage anyway because WIN has already taken ownership of our soul some time ago. I hope (forlornly) that Liddle absolutely nails it at 9 so that we can start to reverse the rot.

 

[Como Connection]

Liddle will be very good of he stays fit.
CC

 

[Budpower]

Turner
Sloan
Lomax
Suli
Feagai
Amone
Sullivan

Hunt to Hooker

 

[possm]

But he does still fall under the threshold. The rule states "if a player is charged with a serious criminal offence, he will be automatically subject to a no-fault stand down condition", and a serious criminal offence is one that attracts a maximum punishment of at least 11 years imprisonment. As far as I can see, no charges have been dropped, he's just being tried in a court that has a maximum available penalty of 2 years for a single offence and 5 for multiple.

Either way, there are numerous people in this thread talking about selecting him and Sullivan and dropping Hunt, or whether to select him or Sullivan to partner Hunt. Whether he is facing 14 years or 5, you can't talk about how much you care about club culture and then talk about whether to select a guy facing a 5 year prison term.

One of the defining criteria for the 'stand down' policy is the length of jail time that 'could' be faced by the player. As I understand it, Amone has been charged but, if found guilty, he would not face 14 years or more.

The police have their process and as it turns out, the assumptions made by the NRL on this subject were wrong so, the NRL should man up and overturn their 'stand down' decision.

 

[Username]

First time poster here, long time lurker - but am I missing something? Regardless of whether Amone sits within NRLs no fault policy, would it makes sense for the club to still stand him down until a decision is handed down? It's not like the kid has been charged with something minor like littering.

 

[Illusion]

Put aside an injury to Sullivan last year and then the criminally incompetent misuse of Sullivan in the second half of the year by Griffin and you might have seen what Sullivan is capable of. Out of the 3 guys with the big wraps on them coming through - Sloan, Amone and Sullivan, Sullivan is the one that’s really going to bite us on the ass if he leaves us for another club. He’s not overhyped - he‘s been horribly neglected by a moron of a coach who should be in charge of an unlucky reserve grade team somewhere.

Well said this .....

 

[Illusion]

Liddle will be very good of he stays fit.
CC

X2

 

[st.phil]

Turner
Sloan
Lomax
Suli
Feagai
Amone
Sullivan

Hunt to Hooker

We need Sloan at 1 and Hunt at 7 … set and forget.

Hunt is not a year round hooker

 

[possm]

If Ramsey was available he would surely be selected at fullback ahead of Sloan. And, Sloan gets his chance at 5 purely because Ravalawa is way off the mark right now.

Hunt at 9 is one eye to the future and the other eye looking to do something different. The backup plan would be to move Hunt back to 7 if Sullivan fails to meet expectations. If Hunt is not an 80-minute hooker, then Liddle can be selected at 14 in the hooker rotation and other players can be tested as potential Captain when Hunt is off the field.

 

[Dragon David]

Well said this .....

Given all of what Bud Sullivan has as a half back - he has speed, he can attack, he has a good passing game, he can tackle, he can kick in general play and can kick goals etc - injuries aside, I honestly think that if he is given enough opportunity to show what he can do on the bigger stage regularly we would prosper.

Tossing up between him and Amone at this time when Amone's dramas are still to be resolved, I would give Sullivan his chance to prove that he has what it takes to play in the halves in first grade for as long as he can be injury free.

This period has to be the litmus test for Sullivan and it is up to him to let us see what he can do.

 

[Dragon David]

Put aside an injury to Sullivan last year and then the criminally incompetent misuse of Sullivan in the second half of the year by Griffin and you might have seen what Sullivan is capable of. Out of the 3 guys with the big wraps on them coming through - Sloan, Amone and Sullivan, Sullivan is the one that’s really going to bite us on the ass if he leaves us for another club. He’s not overhyped - he‘s been horribly neglected by a moron of a coach who should be in charge of an unlucky reserve grade team somewhere.

Agreed since77.

 

[Dragon David]

We need Sloan at 1 and Hunt at 7 … set and forget.

Hunt is not a year round hooker

This is what Hook will be selecting give or take injuries, rep games etc.

Hunt is not a complete half imo even though he has been one for most of his league playing days. For us he does well and could be even better if we had bigger middles who can break the first line of defence for Hunt to back up and then get our backline moving with the help of a reliable 5/8th. Hunt has not spent too much time as the hooker in our side if any time at all. Yes, he has in other rep games and he has done very well but the rep players he has playing with him help him more than the guys in our Dragons squad.

Anyway, we have Hunt and Sullivan as our halves and I hope they combine really well this year for us.

 

[VodkaSaint]

Unless we get a good coach and some good signings we will loose our best juniors
Mark my words

 

[Maximus]

One of the defining criteria for the 'stand down' policy is the length of jail time that 'could' be faced by the player. As I understand it, Amone has been charged but, if found guilty, he would not face 14 years or more.

No it's not. I quoted the policy. He is charged with an offence that carries a maximum term of 11 years or more, so the policy should still apply.

The police have their process and as it turns out, the assumptions made by the NRL on this subject were wrong so, the NRL should man up and overturn their 'stand down' decision.

This is incorrect. The police have not dropped any charges. The NRL did not make any assumptions that are wrong. The change is that the prosecutor has opted to try the charge in local court which has a legislated maximum penalty of 2 years for a single charge and 5 years for multiple, no matter what the person is charged with. That doesn't change the fact that he is charged with a crime that has a maximum of 14 years, and if the case moves back to district court he will still be facing that 14 years.

 

[Lovemedragons]

No it's not. I quoted the policy. He is charged with an offence that carries a maximum term of 11 years or more, so the policy should still apply.



This is incorrect. The police have not dropped any charges. The NRL did not make any assumptions that are wrong. The change is that the prosecutor has opted to try the charge in local court which has a legislated maximum penalty of 2 years for a single charge and 5 years for multiple, no matter what the person is charged with. That doesn't change the fact that he is charged with a crime that has a maximum of 14 years, and if the case moves back to district court he will still be facing that 14 years.

yeah nah sorry, the prosecutor through his authority has effectively deemed that for his alleged crime he should face a maximum penalty of 5 years, period!

If it were Latrell he'd be suiting up this week. Over to you NRL.