Kasiano nears QLD switch

[Frank_Grimes]

As for the rest: I said TO PUT TOWARD a house deposit or flash car, never did I suggest that it would do either outright. Learn to read Grimes. Everybody elses salaries and wages are discussed pre-tax, why should the origin players be an exception?

:lol: My point still stands. You think that a player will have $30,000 of investment or disposable income after 3 games of Origin. That is clearly not the case. Learn to add/subtract/divide LAG.

Players choice if he wants to spend all his pay on his close friends and family comming to the game. I'd think that only occurs for first and last games of their career. The player can still leave the money in the bank.

Completely beside the point you were trying to make about motivation. You can't hide it behind pre-tax income, as you know the old saying "as sure as death and......".

The simple fact is that the match payments on their own just aren't enough to motivate someone to aspire to Origin. The fact that you would continue to push this point is a little silly.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Whilst I agree almost 100% with your sentiment "i.e. its there choice" how would 99% of players know when it was there last game?

I know if I was on 100K, 6K wouldnt be enough to make me think about moving jobs.

Where did you get 6k, or 6%? But first, it should.

Second, it is 20k per match or 60K for the year.

If you're on an initial club contract, or even your second one, that's a hefty increase for 3 GAMES! Lets not assume these kids are on 400K already. And even if they are, 60K on 400K is a very nice bonus.

Next year they are talking 50K a game or 150K a series. That is a relevant consideration for players, knowing there will be a hefty increase. Only idiots like Grimes ignore this point, because he is either patriotically one eyed or geniused. I don't know which. Could be both.

Kasiano debut'd last year, what do you really think his current contract is worth?

As for the last game attendance, I am talking about Darren Lockyer, Petro Civ situations etc, when they announce before hand that they're standing down from rep footy.

His choice is possibly some tests for NZ on peanuts (he has not been selected for the Kiwis yet), or big origin dollars and maybe even Australian test money. It would tempt any young kid to switch.

 

[Dresden Dan]

Time to fix this issue.

 

[ANTiLAG]

:lol: My point still stands. You think that a player will have $30,000 of investment or disposable income after 3 games of Origin. That is clearly not the case. Learn to add/subtract/divide LAG.

Are you geniused or thick? He has 60K for a series, where 30K is held on trust for his retirement if he is loyal to the code. That is money in the bank for post career.

Next year they are talking 150K, yes that is a huge consdieration for players today. They have to fancy their chances of future selection as well, you do not make a lifelong decision think you'll only be selected once.

He wages are taxed, like every wage earner in Australia. Why are you suggesting ballers should be different from everyone else?

His present disposable is still more than a Kiwi test, despite his savings for the future, if loyal to the code.

Got it now dummie?

Completely beside the point you were trying to make about motivation. You can't hide it behind pre-tax income, as you know the old saying "as sure as death and......".

Are you a kid without ever having had a job? Wages and salaries are discussed in pre-tax terms. Every employer does this. It is what you cost them to be employed. Got it?

The simple fact is that the match payments on their own just aren't enough to motivate someone to aspire to Origin. The fact that you would continue to push this point is a little silly.

Okay, I'm guessing at this point that you're young and very naive as to how professionals make a living. Professional ballers play for money. They go wherever the pay is better. They switch clubs, states, countries and even codes in pursuit of the mighty dollar. If you cannot grasp this point, then good luck with life! And before you say X player took less to stay at that club

1 He was alreayd at that club and did not want to move himself or family
2 That club will look after him post career with a job at the club or related entities
3 Makes him a more popular player that can pursue a media career

Origin is slightly different because it is only 3 weeks of the year and does not require a move. Heck, these guys are based in Australia already!

Life is far less than ideal. Get real Frank. Get real. Players play for the wrong state or jump country for the money.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

Are you geniused or thick? He has 60K for a series, where 30K is held on trust for his retirement if he is loyal to the code. That is money in the bank for post career.

Next year they are talking 150K, yes that is a huge consdieration for players today. They have to fancy their chances of future selection as well, you do not make a lifelong decision think you'll only be selected once.

It's so funny watching you tap out and get all upset. It obviously needs to be pointed out to you that you posted the following:

You seriously don't think Tamou cannot enjoy the extra 30k now? To put toward a house deposit, flash car or sweet off season holidays?

You're that simple that you still think suggesting Tamou would have $30k to put towards a house or a car etc at the end of this Origin series, despite then posting this:

He pays tax on his wages, like everyne else in Australia.

And then this:

Get real Frank. Get real.

Who is the dummy? You're living in a fantasy world where you think gross income is still available to do with what you want after taxation. I'll give the rest of your silly little assumptions about me the attention they deserve other than to post my pity about your approach to money, if you think living on gross income is a realistic outlook. Oh and also a hearty LOL at the rest of your meltdown.

:lol:

 

[ANTiLAG]

It's so funny watching you tap out and get all upset. It obviously needs to be pointed out to you that you posted the following:

You're that simple that you still think suggesting Tamou would have $30k to put towards a house or a car etc at the end of this Origin series, despite then posting this:

And then this:

Who is the dummy? You're living in a fantasy world where you think gross income is still available to do with what you want after taxation. I'll give the rest of your silly little assumptions about me the attention they deserve other than to post my pity about your approach to money, if you think living on gross income is a realistic outlook. Oh and also a hearty LOL at the rest of your meltdown.

:lol:

No meltdown. But you are a bafoon. So he has to pay tax on his wages? Whoopdeedoo.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

No meltdown. But you are a bafoon. So he has to pay tax on his wages? Whoopdeedoo.

:lol:

Tapped out and melted down! The fact that you have to resort to (and continue with) petty name-calling confirms this.

 

[ANTiLAG]

You're a kid who has never had a real job aren't you Grimesy?

 

[Hutty1986]

So, in conclusion, Australia>NZ

 

[Frank_Grimes]

You're a kid who has never had a real job aren't you Grimesy?

More silly assumptions! The meltdown continues! Your argument has left the core and is now eating away at the base of the containment vessel.

:lol:

 

[ANTiLAG]

So, in conclusion, Australia>NZ

In terms of salary and wages for rep players? Hell yeah. In terms of salary and wages. Actually, for every industry bar maybe dairy farming.

Your economy with its natural resources make NZ a very distant and poor cousin relatively.

 

[ANTiLAG]

More silly assumptions! The meltdown continues! Your argument has left the core and is now eating away at the base of the containment vessel.

:lol:

Grimes, get real kid.

 

[ek999]

Taxes are an issue though. Players currently get $20k per match I think. They lose $10k to go into the retirement fund which they don't get until they retire (potentially 15 or so years later) providing they don't leave Rugby League (I don't think going to ESL counts). So suddenly they are only receiving $10k immediately per match and the majority of the players will be on more than $180k so they have to give $4,650 in tax to the ATO. So from receiving $20k the players only end up with $5,350 in their pocket. Suddenly if they pay for family members to go to the matches including accomodation and everything they don't have much leftover

 

[Frank_Grimes]

Grimes, get real kid.

:lol:

 

[ANTiLAG]

Taxes are an issue though. Players currently get $20k per match I think. They lose $10k to go into the retirement fund which they don't get until they retire (potentially 15 or so years later) providing they don't leave Rugby League (I don't think going to ESL counts). So suddenly they are only receiving $10k immediately per match and the majority of the players will be on more than $180k so they have to give $4,650 in tax to the ATO. So from receiving $20k the players only end up with $5,350 in their pocket. Suddenly if they pay for family members to go to the matches including accomodation and everything they don't have much leftover

Taxes are not an issue.

All wages are taxed.

But they clear at present, as someone else in this thread suggested, $5350, which is still more than a Kiwi test payment (I understand that is 5k but has a cap regardless set at 7.5 K pre tax) and still have their 10K kitty fund left over per game.

No Kitty fund for playing Kiwi tests.

Hence, Kiwi tests cannot compete with Origin dollars. They get 4 times as much in origin as I understand it, but even working out at the cap ammount: 20/7.5 = nearly 2.666 times as much for an origin game as a Kiwi test, plus the chance of the Aus test side..

Plus, next year - origin payment go up to 50 k per game.

So 7.5K max pre tax per test, or 20K pre tax per origin + 7.5K pre tax per test (if you make the Aus test side) - which is better Einstein Grimes?

So far this year Tamou could have made 7.5K max playing for NZ, but in a couple of weeks will have made 67.5K pre tax, just this year, and origin pay goes up next year something wicked.

Got it now?

If Sam or Tamou plays the 3 origins and the ANZAC test next year by July next year, it will likely be 7.5 pre tax (NZ Anzac) vs 157.5K (if at 50k per origin as being proposed and Aus anzac test). That is a little more than 6%. Even if only 40k per origin it will will be 127,500K pre tax vs 7.5K pre tax.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

Hey Laggy - explain to me again how Tamou will have an additional $30k of net disposable income at the end of this series.

 

[ek999]

How aren't taxes an issue, you're suddenly selling out your country for a lot less coin then the $20k total match payment. Suddenly you''re only getting $5,350 so $16k per year. You can play 5 test matches per year (ANZAC test, and 4 matches in 4N) for $5k a pop. Thats $25k less tax is $13,375, if you can't make the Australian team your only earning $3k less effectively. Is it really worth an extra $3k to never represent your home country?

 

[Bretto]

This whole discussion is a bit strange. I don't ever remember getting a job where a boss has quoted me a salary in after tax dollars, :lol:. If I currently make $60k/year, then I make $60k/year. Taxes change pretty much every year, depending on government and federal budgets.

It can't be ALL about money. Some of it has to be for self promotion for future contract propositions, some of it for personal betterment and wanting to play against the cream of the crop of Australian players.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

This whole discussion is a bit strange. I don't ever remember getting a job where a boss has quoted me a salary in after tax dollars, :lol:. If I currently make $60k/year, then I make $60k/year. Taxes change pretty much every year, depending on government and federal budgets.

Very true, but you'd also be a fool to make financial and budget decisions based on your gross income rather than net.

It can't be ALL about money. Some of it has to be for self promotion for future contract perspectives, some of it for personal betterment and wanting to play against the cream of the crop of Australian players.

Spot on. Those who keep pushing the argument that they are simply mercs and traitors conveniently ignore the above.

 

[ANTiLAG]

How aren't taxes an issue,

I repeat.

Taxes are not an issue.

All footballers wages are taxed.

But they clear at present, as someone else in this thread suggested, $5350, which is still more than a Kiwi test payment (I understand that is 5k but has a cap regardless set at 7.5 K pre tax) and still have their 10K kitty fund left over per game.

No Kitty fund for playing Kiwi tests.

Hence, Kiwi tests cannot compete with Origin dollars. They get 4 times as much in origin as I understand it, but even working out at the cap ammount: 20/7.5 = nearly 2.666 times as much for an origin game as a Kiwi test, plus the chance of the Aus test side..

Plus, next year - origin payment go up to 50 k per game.

So 7.5K max pre tax per test, or 20K pre tax per origin + 7.5K pre tax per test (if you make the Aus test side) - which is better Einstein Grimes?

So far this year Tamou could have made 7.5K max pre tax playing for NZ, but in a couple of weeks will have made 67.5K pre tax, just this year, and origin pay goes up next year something wicked.

Got it now?

If Sam or Tamou plays the 3 origins and the ANZAC test next year by July next year, it will likely be 7.5 pre tax (NZ Anzac) vs 157.5K (if at 50k per origin as being proposed and Aus anzac test). That is a little more than 6%. Even if only 40k per origin it will will be 127,500K pre tax vs 7.5K pre tax.

Suddenly you''re only getting $5,350 so $16k per year.

Plus the origin retirement kitty. Plus next year's origin pay rise.

You can play 5 test matches per year (ANZAC test, and 4 matches in 4N) for $5k a pop. Thats $25k less tax is $13,375,

Amd you can play those tests for Australia.

if you can't make the Australian team your only earning $3k less effectively. Is it really worth an extra $3k to never represent your home country?

Plus the origin retirement kitty. Plus next years origin pay rise. PLus payments for Aus test side if selected.