Kasiano nears QLD switch

[ek999]

Absolutely.

But this thread is about a Kiwi player/mercenary.

@Frank Grimes - are there articles or anything about that? I'd truly love to read something substantiated which says James Tamou will walk away from Origin poorer than he walked in. Sounds like a situation which may have occurred once or twice and was published as some kind of passion-inducing sob story in a beat up for the fans...

Clinton Schifcofske said it cost him $100 although he did lose part of his payment by going to Union

Clinton Schifcofske ‏@choc111 It was a privilege & an honour 2 play in a winning Qld team in game 3 of 2006. Even thou it cost me $100 to do so.

 

[hutch]

If it was purely about money wouldn't you see more Kiwis defecting to Origin?
There's got to be more than money making these players turn their back on their homeland - It's all well and good to say it's just about money.

But the prestige and intensity of Origin can't be ignored and it would have a lot of pulling value as well.

99% of kiwis, whether born in aus or nz still choose nz over origin or australia. nz have lost 1 player in tamou, and even he emigrated to australia with his family as a 13 year old and isnt breaking any rules. kasiano is a different kettle of fish, he would be the first kiwi to play origin after moving to australia because he signed with an nrl club. this is exactly the sort of thing we need to avoid. there should be other rep games during origin time, nz origin, nz v pacific islands, tests between island nations etc. origin must be left to australians but other nations should not have to lose their players during this period as they should be playing their own games. opening origin to all nations just ensures that origin is the pinnacle, which of course it isnt!

 

[Shorty]

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Once again, I am sure that's the case. I like competing in high level comps in my sport; you'd be stupid not to.
It doesn't make Kasiano a passionate Queenslader, or Tamou and passionate NSWman, let alone Australians :lol:... it merely means they want the money, glory and pleasure of playing in a highly intense match. They're still Kiwis by birth, blood and at heart.

Also, most Kiwis have more pride than to defect to another country simply for money and glory... that's the main difference between guys like Foran and Tamou.

Well that was my point, that the prestige and sheer intensity of Origin is what attracts these Kiwis and not in fact, just money.
And yeah, it's also a career move as well.

Therefore changing the money payments may not exactly fix the problem, I think it'll definitely help but the curiosity will still be there.

And yeah, I don't consider Kasiano a Queenslander, he shouldn't play and you'd be hard pressed to find a NSWelshmen that thinks Tamou is true blue as well.

 

[Mr Angry]

I think Tamou did it more for pride and respect from team mates.

Origin players are considered the best and well respected at thier clubs. Money does not buy that.

He wants to be known as the best.

 

[Frank_Grimes]

kasiano is a different kettle of fish, he would be the first kiwi to play origin after moving to australia because he signed with an nrl club. this is exactly the sort of thing we need to avoid.

Kasiano didn't move to Australia to sign with an NRL club. He moved with his family and started playing again with Aspley, and was then recruited by the Bulldogs for their NYC team after playing with Norths Devils. He wasn't even playing RL anymore when he moved from NZ. His situation is almost precisely the same as Tamou's. The only difference is Tamou moved to Sydney when he was 13 and Kasiano was a few years older when he moved to Brisbane.

 

[hutch]

Kasiano didn't move to Australia to sign with an NRL club. He moved with his family and started playing again with Aspley, and was then recruited by the Bulldogs for their NYC team after playing with Norths Devils. He wasn't even playing RL anymore when he moved from NZ. His situation is almost precisely the same as Tamou's. The only difference is Tamou moved to Sydney when he was 13 and Kasiano was a few years older when he moved to Brisbane.

oh, i thought the cowboys brought him over!

 

[Joker's Wild]

99% of kiwis, whether born in aus or nz still choose nz over origin or australia. nz have lost 1 player in tamou, and even he emigrated to australia with his family as a 13 year old and isnt breaking any rules. kasiano is a different kettle of fish, he would be the first kiwi to play origin after moving to australia because he signed with an nrl club. this is exactly the sort of thing we need to avoid. there should be other rep games during origin time, nz origin, nz v pacific islands, tests between island nations etc. origin must be left to australians but other nations should not have to lose their players during this period as they should be playing their own games. opening origin to all nations just ensures that origin is the pinnacle, which of course it isnt!

Tamou is not the only Kiwi to come to Australia and play for NSW/Qld. Carroll, Hunt and Thorn are all in the same boat

 

[Frank_Grimes]

oh, i thought the cowboys brought him over!

You're thinking of Jason Taumalolo. He was scouted by the Cowboys and brought over when he was 13.

I agree that the Kasiano situation is different but Tamou is not the only Kiwi to come to Australia and play for NSW/Qld. Carroll, Hunt and Thorn are all in the same boat

Why would the Kasiano situation be any different?

 

[hutch]

Tamou is not the only Kiwi to come to Australia and play for NSW/Qld. Carroll, Hunt and Thorn are all in the same boat

they all came to aus as kids and learnt to play rugby league here, before moving through the grades to play origin and for aus. there is no problem with any of them playing for qld and aus, although carroll made a mockery of the sport by playing for the kiwis during the 2000 rlwc when they stupidly relaxed the rules.

 

[Joker's Wild]

they all came to aus as kids and learnt to play rugby league here, before moving through the grades to play origin and for aus. there is no problem with any of them playing for qld and aus, although carroll made a mockery of the sport by playing for the kiwis during the 2000 rlwc when they stupidly relaxed the rules.

I believe Hunt was playing RL in Auckland before coming to Australia as a 12 yo but why does that matter really, they were all born kiwis and cam to Aust old enough to have a national identity

 

[ek999]

One thing I don;t understand is that in previous years NZ have been all to happy to include Australian's in their side. Bryson Goodwin, Nathan Fien, Gerard Beale, Sam McKendry, Josh Hoffman, Shaun Kenny-Dowall, Jason Nightingale, Ben Roberts, Zeb Taia, Frank Pritchard and Jake Webster were all born in Australia according to the Rugby League Project. I'm pretty sure Pritchard, Roberts, Goodwin and Nightingale have never lived in NZ and they flat-out lied about Nathan Fien's eligibility in 2006

 

[Frank_Grimes]

Brent Webb is a funny one, because he was actually scouted from Q Cup by Daniel Anderson to debut with the Warriors. Precisely the potential situation that many Kiwis were blowing up about with Taumalolo.....

 

[Canard]

Brent Webb is a funny one, because he was actually scouted from Q Cup by Daniel Anderson to debut with the Warriors. Precisely the potential situation that many Kiwis were blowing up about with Taumalolo.....

You mean Tamou?

Webb was well and truly playing "senior" footy however by playing for the Cairns Cyclones in the State League. He was 20 or so before he went to NZ.

I believe he just qualified due to residency (i.e. more than 5 years or so.) just like you or I would if we lived in NZ for any period of time.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Only about 5-10% of players would have a 10 year Origin career.

Its not like super, where its invested either, 10K in 2022 dollars is going to be chickenfeed.

Grimesy has nailed it in the above thread, the lure of Origin isn't purely cash obviously.

For mine money isn't the determining factor.

Money held on trust: accrues interest in a bank.

 

[hutch]

You mean Tamou?

Webb was well and truly playing "senior" footy however by playing for the Cairns Cyclones in the State League. He was 20 or so before he went to NZ.

I believe he just qualified due to residency (i.e. more than 5 years or so.) just like you or I would if we lived in NZ for any period of time.

Residency is 3 years, he was only there for 3 seasons in total.

 

[Canard]

Money held on trust: accrues interest in a bank.

Well then trust is probably the wrong terminology.

Im only going by Paul Kent et al on the Sunday Roast (which is pretty f**king flimsy I admit) but they claimed its not "indexed" or subject to interest etc.)

 

[Frank_Grimes]

You mean Tamou?

No, there was a thread about Taumalolo and the rumours that he was going to pledge allegiance to QLD in this forum where plenty of people got their knickers in a twist.

I believe he just qualified due to residency (i.e. more than 5 years or so.) just like you or I would if we lived in NZ for any period of time.

It was actually only 3 years residency. The Taumalolo and Webb situations are nearly identical as they were both plucked from their birth nations to play with their respective NRL sides. Just at different ages. And of course Taumalolo has apparently pledged allegiance to NZ now.

 

[Canard]

Residency is 3 years, he was only there for 3 seasons in total.

Ok, I reckon Webb played more than 3 seasons only for the Warriors however.

Regardless my point still stands.

It was actually only 3 years residency. The Taumalolo and Webb situations are nearly identical as they were both plucked from their birth nations to play with their respective NRL sides. Just at different ages. And of course Taumalolo has apparently pledged allegiance to NZ now.

Only difference is that Taumalolo looks to be a future star (early days of course), whereas Brent Webb wouldnt' have played first grade at most NRL clubs let alone QLD or Australia.

Thats why the picked him as 18th man for the recent test, and they will be virtually forced to do this with any young player from now on.

 

[ANTiLAG]

And you'd be silly to think that $30k will buy you a "flash car" or a 20% deposit on a house. Besides, as has already been pointed out, it's more like $15,000 after tax and before other expenses. And that's if they play all three games.

Deal in the real world, not fantasy numbers.

As for the rest: I said TO PUT TOWARD a house deposit or flash car, never did I suggest that it would do either outright. Learn to read Grimes. Everybody elses salaries and wages are discussed pre-tax, why should the origin players be an exception?

Players choice if he wants to spend all his pay on his close friends and family comming to the game. I'd think that only occurs for first and last games of their career. The player can still choose to leave that money in the bank.

 

[Canard]

Players choice if he wants to spend all his pay on his close friends and family comming to the game. I'd think that only occurs for first and last games of their career. The player can still leave the money in the bank.

Whilst I agree almost 100% with your sentiment "i.e. its there choice" how would 99% of players know when it was there last game?

I know if I was on 100K, 6K wouldnt be enough to make me think about moving jobs.