Kearney you goose

[Eels Dude]

Yes you're spot on.

It's funny how people keep bringing up argument that DA is not a good coach because of that one quote where he said he didn't know why the sudden turn around of form. Well I guess that means SK is not a good coach because he commented last night that he had no idea what went wrong in the last 20 minutes. And could somebody give the bloke some media training too. The way he smirks and smiles in interviews is not doing him any favours.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

We can't keep dumping coaches.
What we now need is a Coaching Director to look over SK.
"Hey Daniel Anderson, do you want a job"?

 

[bartman]

:lol::lol:

Suity

Same Spine (1-6-7-9)

Late 2009 = Hayne - Morts - Robson - Kingston/MKeating
2011 = Hayne - Morts - Robson - Maguire/Keating

Depth... ok, I was pushing it a bit, but this isn't a drastically worse squad than the one he had that overperformed in 2009.

The basic issue is that in late 2009 under DA, the bunch of players we had believed in themselves and each other and played some awesome footy, and the more average squad players (like Lowrie, Inu, Reddy, Mortimer, Mateo) lifted.

In 2011 under SK, the players we have don't appear to believe in themselves or each other at all under "the structure", we aren't playing awesome footy (at least not in defence, and often not in attack), and the average squad players aren't lifting at all in response to Kearney.

So who's the better coach in comparison? :sarcasm:

 

[Suitman]

Same Spine (1-6-7-9)

Late 2009 = Hayne - Morts - Robson - Kingston/MKeating
2011 = Hayne - Morts - Robson - Maguire/Keating

Depth... ok, I was pushing it a bit, but this isn't a drastically worse squad than the one he had that overperformed in 2009.

The basic issue is that in late 2009 under DA, the bunch of players we had believed in themselves and each other and played some awesome footy, and the more average squad players (like Lowrie, Inu, Reddy, Mortimer, Mateo) lifted.

In 2011 under SK, the players we have don't appear to believe in themselves or each other at all under "the structure", we aren't playing awesome footy (at least not in defence, and often not in attack), and the average squad players aren't lifting at all in response to Kearney.

So who's the better coach in comparison? :sarcasm:

That's the issue Bart.
I'm not comparing coaches like you want to do.

You may not remember, but I was ecstatic when we got Anderson on board. I was less than impressed when we had such an awful start to his regime. I was more than ecstatic when we pushed footy to it's limits at the later end of '09, but I was extraordinarily wary when he came out with his most infamous of comments regarding how we got to those heights. He admitted he didn't know.
Then last year, he proved it. Hence me not being too disappointed that he was given the flick.

I was then happy that Kearney was given the gig. Happy with the plans and talk that I've heard. Certainly not happy with results so far.
In saying that, I'm not stupid enough to death ride him. 10 weeks ffs?

I'll give him until this time next year to improve our situation and player roster.
If I don't see any improvement by then, I'll be asking questions.
But for those challenging Kearney after 10 weeks of NRL coaching - they really need to have a good look at themselves.

Suity

 

[Eelementary]

I'd just like to say that the outcome of the game was never safe for Parramatta. Regardless of Hindmarsh being on the field or not, Thurston showed the world on Saturday night why he is simply the best player in the game. He never panicked, he made all the right choices, and subsequently, it appeared as though he was covered in spiders - allowing his teammates to run riot.

To say the game was "in the bag" had Hindy stayed out there is very contentious.

 

[hindy111]

Watching the game i always thought parra would get run down-The cowboys where making easy meters all game and slowly wore parra down.
Why do people go on about the same spine? Sometimes players have a good season-or even half a season-Thats what happend in 2009.Robson and mortimer both had MOM performances in 2009-None have been in the top 3 players in a game this year.

If we are any hope to do somthing this year Kearney needs to start this weekend-If we have the same halves i would ask questions -If billy rodgers is there i will be dissapointed.
Mcguire to 5/8 and MK back please

 

[oldmancraigy]

If we are any hope to do somthing this year Kearney needs to start this weekend-If we have the same halves i would ask questions -If billy rodgers is there i will be dissapointed.
Mcguire to 5/8 and MK back please

As much as I agree with you, the McGuire to 5/8 move is the ONLY OPTION that could be taken to improve the halves this year.

Back when Hagan sacked Hodkinson and Maloney in favour of Finch we were comitting ourselves for 3 years to a halfback who wanted to play 6.
The Andersen| Finch feud meant that Robson got the job by default in 2009.
No options to sign for 2010 meant Robson stayed on.
The only real option for this season was to pick up Hodko - whom the Bulldogs paid $270k per season for (twice what he's worth IMO). Hodko is solid, but won't win them a premiership that's for sure.
So the second best option was to pick up the best playmaker in the U20s from last season - Brad Murray lead the comp in creating tries and linebreaks - and has a very deft little kicking game.
But oh dear, he's gone and done something stupid (allegedly) and is mentally fragile as a result and can't concentrate on footy.

When you throw talented halves under the bus, you pay for years to come! If we'd kept Hodko/ Maloney - just one of them - we'd be much better suited this year. As it is we're still struggling (but with something to look forward to next season).

 

[yy_cheng]

Kearney appeared a shattered man in the press conference. I think his own confidence will be shot now that the teams confidence is shot... I doubt he has any answers to get us out of this trouble for this season...it appears a write off.

It wouldnt surprise me if there is a bit of in-fighting develops...nothing too major, but I think Hindmarsh would have to be frustrated, he knows we probably wouldve won if he stayed on the field. I think Hayne feels that he probably missed SOO because he has to do all our halves work for them so it appears he is playing like a five-eighth.

Although we were great for 60 minutes I think our total confidence will be shot from the last 20 mins....I cant see alot of good times ahead for the 2011 Eels.

what I don't get is SK kept saying we need structure and to not depend on Hayne and that Hayne should play the traditional role. When Hayne did all the play making against the Cowpats. Did Robbo or Mortz even setup a play?

 

[Parra03]

SK doesn't want everything from Hayne & yet can't do without everything from Hayne. Time to show some courage & make some changes in the halves.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Same Spine (1-6-7-9)

Late 2009 = Hayne - Morts - Robson - Kingston/MKeating
2011 = Hayne - Morts - Robson - Maguire/Keating

Do you really think our spine was our strength in '09?

All 5 of the guys you listed - including Hayne - were primarily support players. Even Hayne made all his impact from linebreaks (30+ that year). It wasn't until last year that he started racking up the linebreak assists (while his linebreaks suffered).

All our opportunities in '09 came from offloads (or Hayne's chip kicks for himself), and those offloads mostly came from 4 blokes who aren't at the club any more.

You can hardly compare the two sides just because the f**king spine is the same.

 

[Stand And Be Counted]

Don't Worry you have Reni Maitua to the rescue the buy of the Year ! Lol

 

[Bazal]

That's the issue Bart.
I'm not comparing coaches like you want to do.

You may not remember, but I was ecstatic when we got Anderson on board. I was less than impressed when we had such an awful start to his regime. I was more than ecstatic when we pushed footy to it's limits at the later end of '09, but I was extraordinarily wary when he came out with his most infamous of comments regarding how we got to those heights. He admitted he didn't know.
Then last year, he proved it. Hence me not being too disappointed that he was given the flick.

I was then happy that Kearney was given the gig. Happy with the plans and talk that I've heard. Certainly not happy with results so far.
In saying that, I'm not stupid enough to death ride him. 10 weeks ffs?

I'll give him until this time next year to improve our situation and player roster.
If I don't see any improvement by then, I'll be asking questions.
But for those challenging Kearney after 10 weeks of NRL coaching - they really need to have a good look at themselves.

Suity

Just on those now infamous comments...I've always thought the indictment of Anderson over them was very harsh. As we've seen since his sacking, he's not one to push himself in the media (in terms of explaining the comments) and I personally thought that those comments referred not to a lack of understanding of the football, more a simple admission that off the field he hadn't changed what he was doing with the side...that he was still doing what he'd done all year and wasn't sure why we suddenly clicked when it hadn't worked to start with.

I also think that last year the players let him down horribly. Yes, he made a poor decision to back Mortimer instead of Keating but honestly, bar that I don't think he did a lot wrong...it was just the cattle couldn't or wouldn't perform. And lets face it, every coach has backed the wrong horse at least once and KK wasn't doing a lot in 2009/2010 to push his case.

I think Kearney, like Anderson, has a huge job in front of him and I will always feel that Anderson was the better man for the job. That's just a personal opinion...Anderson has a very good track record even including last year, and experience, and rebuilding a club needs that. I fear for him, a little. I'm not sure how a rookie coach can be expected to rebuild us from the ground up, which is what needs to happen. Anderson saw that, he started to do it, and was sacked for it because it cost us on the field. This club will suffer a couple of bad years, barring a miracle like 2009. That's part and parcel of rebuilding. You don't re-sign dead wood like Mateo and Inu just because there's no one better available. Then you're just stuck with the same dead wood. People blame Anderson for the squad we have, and yes, he is partly to blame. But I don't think it's fair to indict him when he only got halfway through his plan for the club before he was flicked. I only hope that Kearney is afforded the time he needs to do what has to be done with this club, and isn't white anted by a useless front office. Sometimes, it's not about the results.

 

[Ron Jeremy]

I just keep waiting for Rogers to do something... anything... maybe even a tackle around the legs or a poke through the line...
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The only poke Rogers is capable of doing is the old turtle neck after all the crap he has dished out.

 

[Eels Dude]

Very good post their Bazal.

 

[bartman]

That's the issue Bart.
I'm not comparing coaches like you want to do.

Good luck with that Suity. Would another way to express it be to say that I'm not not comparing coaches, like you (don't?) want me to?

but I was extraordinarily wary when he came out with his most infamous of comments regarding how we got to those heights. He admitted he didn't know.
Then last year, he proved it. Hence me not being too disappointed that he was given the flick.

Comment. Singular. One press conference. A throw away line (and why would he give anything away anyway?). And why was our failure last year entirely the coach's fault, and not down to other external factors such as player overconfidence, destabilising leaks, poor morale, focus on contract negotiations?

I was then happy that Kearney was given the gig. Happy with the plans and talk that I've heard. Certainly not happy with results so far.
In saying that, I'm not stupid enough to death ride him. 10 weeks ffs?

I've been wary of the hype, the talk, the "structure", and the (soft) plans. When someone's brought in after their predecessor's contract is curiously cut short, no matter what indutry you are in there will be added pressure to demonstrate your worth. The decision is open to criticism if the replacement doesn't "step up" quickly.

Raising criticisms of a coach that the club/Board has tried to hype as a saviour to their Membership isn't the same as death riding - though with reference to the tale of the Emporer's New Clothes I can see why some fans might react against the first to cast doubts. But it's ok to have different opinions - and no-one has to have a good look at themselves as a result.

 

[Casper The Ghost]

Just on those now infamous comments...I've always thought the indictment of Anderson over them was very harsh. As we've seen since his sacking, he's not one to push himself in the media (in terms of explaining the comments) and I personally thought that those comments referred not to a lack of understanding of the football, more a simple admission that off the field he hadn't changed what he was doing with the side...that he was still doing what he'd done all year and wasn't sure why we suddenly clicked when it hadn't worked to start with.

I also think that last year the players let him down horribly. Yes, he made a poor decision to back Mortimer instead of Keating but honestly, bar that I don't think he did a lot wrong...it was just the cattle couldn't or wouldn't perform. And lets face it, every coach has backed the wrong horse at least once and KK wasn't doing a lot in 2009/2010 to push his case.

I think Kearney, like Anderson, has a huge job in front of him and I will always feel that Anderson was the better man for the job. That's just a personal opinion...Anderson has a very good track record even including last year, and experience, and rebuilding a club needs that. I fear for him, a little. I'm not sure how a rookie coach can be expected to rebuild us from the ground up, which is what needs to happen. Anderson saw that, he started to do it, and was sacked for it because it cost us on the field. This club will suffer a couple of bad years, barring a miracle like 2009. That's part and parcel of rebuilding. You don't re-sign dead wood like Mateo and Inu just because there's no one better available. Then you're just stuck with the same dead wood. People blame Anderson for the squad we have, and yes, he is partly to blame. But I don't think it's fair to indict him when he only got halfway through his plan for the club before he was flicked. I only hope that Kearney is afforded the time he needs to do what has to be done with this club, and isn't white anted by a useless front office. Sometimes, it's not about the results.

Great post. Sentiments we've carried since this DA debacle began.
All power to SK now to make right what has been made wrong.