Kearney you goose

[ROGUE]

Bennet did have a great side with brisbane to win the comp-i reckon most coaches would of gotten them there a few times..
He does also have a very good side with the dragons.The knights will be a real test.

I could think of a few different sides which would provide a greater test for him and they wouldn't include the Knights

 

[Eels Dude]

Bennet did have a great side with brisbane to win the comp-i reckon most coaches would of gotten them there a few times..
He does also have a very good side with the dragons.The knights will be a real test.

There have been much more talented Dragons sides on paper the past decade then their current squad. The reason why they've gone so well over the past few seasons is that Bennett has got the best out of some pretty average players.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

There have been much more talented Dragons sides on paper the past decade then their current squad. The reason why they've gone so well over the past few seasons is that Bennett has got the best out of some pretty average players.

No, he's gotten the best out of some very good ones.

 

[Eels Dude]

No, he's gotten the best out of some very good ones.

There are certain players in their current squad who were average and/or inconsistent before Bennett took over and he has taken them to the next level.

 

[IFR33K]

How about we merge them both with an actual train?

Thats a bit harsh cuz.

Whos posts would I then look forward to reading.

 

[Stagger eel]

There are certain players in their current squad who were average and/or inconsistent before Bennett took over and he has taken them to the next level.

with a little help from Darius Boyd, Neville Costigan, Jeremy Smith, Micheal Weyman and Nathen Fein..then Gaz came onto the scene halfway through 2010 to give em a kick along...

I have no doubt that bennett is a fine coach and a great man manager but he's never ever ever had to deal with an ordinary squad..

 

[eel01s]

To those questioning Bennett's ability - would you say no to him coaching Parra?

No, didn't think so.

 

[Eelementary]

To those questioning Bennett's ability - would you say no to him coaching Parra?

No, didn't think so.

Bennett is great, but [his monumental f**k-up in removing Hindy aside] I believe Kearney is the man for our club.

 

[bartman]

The reason he appeared a genius and then looked like a dope is because he replaced the main try stopping player in the team with 18 minutes to go. I seriously dont think people realise just how important Hindmarsh is to the defensive structure of the team. If Hindmarsh doesnt play we will get beaten by 50 every week with the current group of players.....

The decision to take Hindmarsh off in that situation, barring injury, is F%^&ing ridiculous

I can only presume Hindmarsh was injured... otherwise I agree the coaching decision made no sense?

And good to see Kearney's choices actually being analysed on the forums at last - rather than lots of wanking over the long-term benefits of his supposed structure, and his academy idea...

 

[Eelementary]

Also, to play devil's advocate for a second: removing Hindy when you're up by 16 with 20 to play shouldn't be an issue. I mean we as Parramatta fans know it is, but realistically, it should not be an issue. I don't agree with Kearney having done it, but in a way, it's good he did - he now knows first-hand what happens to this team when Hindmarsh is off the field and he can set about trying to fix it.

He has been hit and miss thus far, Mooks. But overall, I like what he has done.

 

[IFR33K]

I can only presume Hindmarsh was injured... otherwise I agree the coaching decision made no sense?

And good to see Kearney's choices actually being analysed on the forums at last - rather than lots of wanking over the long-term benefits of his supposed structure, and his academy idea...

also the fact he was the coach for the world cup winning kiwi side.

 

[IFR33K]

with a little help from Darius Boyd, Neville Costigan, Jeremy Smith, Micheal Weyman and Nathen Fein..then Gaz came onto the scene halfway through 2010 to give em a kick along...

I have no doubt that bennett is a fine coach and a great man manager but he's never ever ever had to deal with an ordinary squad..

is it just a coincidence, or does he get the absolute best out of players. I say the latter.

Weyman, soward, Merrin, Bosden. I could go on and on.

The man done the unthinkable, and turned the ultimate chockers into world beaters, in the space of 2 years. No easy feat.

 

[Eels Dude]

I can only presume Hindmarsh was injured... otherwise I agree the coaching decision made no sense?

And good to see Kearney's choices actually being analysed on the forums at last - rather than lots of wanking over the long-term benefits of his supposed structure, and his academy idea...

Kearney confirmed in his post match press conference there were no injuries in the match apart from Shack's early hiccup.

 

[yy_cheng]

This now has to be done. There really isn't another option.

I know people still wank over HaHa as a fullback but we would lose nothing by pushing him to 6. From the back he offers little. His kick returns are now laughable and could be easily bettered. The likes of Burt, Atkins or even Reddy would try to offer more in a kick return that HaHa now does.

I'm not bagging him out when I say this but just trying to show that the loss wouldn't be that great. He could still float around however he wants and pop up whenever he wants to do his thing whenever he wants.

As sad an indictment on our halves as this is, HaHa is the best ballplayer we have in the team and he needs to be pushed into the 6 and told to control the team.

OK, now I'm going to drift a little afield and see what happens when HaHa moves into 6.

Roberts, if we get him, plays in 14 next year.

Robson holds onto the 7 and Mortimer is dumped. With HaHa in 6 next year and Roberts in 14, Mortimer has no future at the club. Humble and Murray will be next in line for the halves (if they both come out of their respective situations in good shape). Mortimer is gone. Robson can take care of routine stuff in the middle of the park and let HaHa call the real/important shots. He can sign elsewhere for next year. Thanks for the service, Robbo.

Now that the 1 is vacated we can do one of two things. We could let Burt take care of it - he's reliable and he won't let us down. We might even look a little bit better with both Burt and HaHa available to float around. Alternatively, we could throw it to a kid and hope they make a fist of it. Humble, Atkins and Barba are the three obvious candidates for the job. Personally, I'd be happy with Burt but if Humble gets back this year then I'd be happy with him being slotted in there and given first chance at the role for 2012.

McGuire holds on to the 9 for this year and next. If Kearney doesn't want Mitchell for 2012 then Keating can hold the 14 for the rest of the year and then play for Wenty in 2012 when Roberts is given the jumper.

Reni gets pushed into 13 immediately and gets told to play ball, too. OK, I can understand him starting from the bench for a bit to get his match awareness back. Now we have Robson feeding standard ball from the middle and HaHa, Burt and Maitua playing around the middle of the ruck.

Ben Smith gets the 12. Best of a bad bunch, maybe.

Walker would get the wing spot left vacant by Burt. Purely on experience he seems a least poor option available to us. I'd even consider putting Humble there is he becomes available, just to get him into the team and playing regularly.

For this year, I'd look for something like:

1. Burt
2. Walker
3. Reddy
4. Loko
5. Atkins
6. HaHa
7. Robson

13. Maitua
12. Smith
11. Hindmarsh
10. Moimoi
9. McGuire
8. Mannah

14. Keating
15. Shackleton (backrower)
16. Allgood
17. Webb

Poore would eventually come in for Allgood.

Next year:

1. Humble
2. Burt
3. Reddy
4. Loko
5. Atkins
6. HaHa
7. Sandow

13. Maitua
12. Smith (exchangeable for a nice purchase)
11. Hindmarsh
10. Poore
9. McGuire
8. Mannah

14. Roberts
15. Shackleton
16. Moimoi
17. Allgood

A good backrower and a good three-quarter would be the perfect additions to that team. If we make the changes now then we might fluke a finals spot this year and be in a good position to make an unexpected assault on the Premiership in 2012.

I'm not a Mortz fan (no skills), nor a Robbo fan (basically can't execute and kicks on the 2nd or 3rd).

However, I would wonder if you could throw the 1 to Roberts?

 

[bartman]

Also, to play devil's advocate for a second: removing Hindy when you're up by 16 with 20 to play shouldn't be an issue. I mean we as Parramatta fans know it is, but realistically, it should not be an issue. I don't agree with Kearney having done it, but in a way, it's good he did - he now knows first-hand what happens to this team when Hindmarsh is off the field and he can set about trying to fix it.

Fair point. Maybe it shouldn't have been an issue, but either:
a) Coach overestimated how much we had NQ under the pump
b) Coach underestimated NQ's (JT's) ability in attack
c) Coach overestimated the ability of our team
d) The 16 remaining players don't have an ounce of leadership or cohesion or ability to bounce back when things go wrong without their captain on the field, or
e) a bit of all of the above.

I guess it's good that SK now knows that we're fragile enough to throw away games from that position (but it's not like we've performed strongly enough for him not to know he had to make absolutely sure of it).

Worst points difference in the comp, and I don't see anything changing in defence under SK's "structure".

I for one won't be tipping us again, unless Maitua and Poore are both back in the starting side and have started to make some significant difference to this side's mettle.

 

[Eelementary]

Fair point. Maybe it shouldn't have been an issue, but either:
a) Coach overestimated how much we had NQ under the pump
b) Coach underestimated NQ's (JT's) ability in attack
c) Coach overestimated the ability of our team
d) The 16 remaining players don't have an ounce of leadership or cohesion or ability to bounce back when things go wrong without their captain on the field, or
e) a bit of all of the above.

I guess it's good that SK now knows that we're fragile enough to throw away games from that position (but it's not like we've performed strongly enough for him not to know he had to make absolutely sure of it).

Worst points difference in the comp, and I don't see anything changing in defence under SK's "structure".

I for one won't be tipping us again, unless Maitua and Poore are both back in the starting side and have started to make some significant difference to this side's mettle.

Well said.

I guess my point was that no coach should expect their side to throw away a large lead by taking away a hard-working player for 20 minutes. We as Parramatta fans all know that without Hindmarsh, we crumble. Perhaps Kearney thought this was dumb and nonsensical (as it should be; Hindy is a god and all, but the team really should be able to compensate when he's not there).

I think our defense has gone backwards since last year - but it's not so much our ruck defense (IMO) as it is our defense out wide. We need good defensive centres and wingers making defensive reads.

 

[Stagger eel]

is it just a coincidence, or does he get the absolute best out of players. I say the latter.

Weyman, soward, Merrin, Bosden. I could go on and on.

The man done the unthinkable, and turned the ultimate chockers into world beaters, in the space of 2 years. No easy feat.

so do you reckon he'd get our current squad in the top 8? I'd bet my life he couldn't, but that's certainly not bagging him, just saying that all through his Brisbane days and the first 3 years at St George he was blessed with very talanted squads..he goes to Newcastle next year and is blessed with another unbelivably talented squad including the signings of Snowden, Boyd and possibly Myles..

 

[IFR33K]

so do you reckon he'd get our current squad in the top 8? I'd bet my life he couldn't, but that's certainly not bagging him, just saying that all through his Brisbane days and the first 3 years at St George he was blessed with very talanted squads..he goes to Newcastle next year and is blessed with another unbelivably talented squad including the signings of Snowden, Boyd and possibly Myles..

And I bet my life, he could. The man has a talent, unlike other coaches. If SK has extracted a few wins thus far, pretty sure Bennett could of jagged a few more.

 

[yy_cheng]

As I said elsewhere, Hindmarsh is very good at slowing the play the ball and then at 1st marker he is always heading straight for the next ball receiver.

One case in point was when Nth Qld made a bust, Robbo cleaned up with a very good tackle but he just got up as quick as he could and let them have a quick play the ball. They eventually scored a few plays later so at the end of the day, what's the point. He should slow the play the ball, even pretend to get his arm caught in the player and slow it down.

I don't understand why some of the players always points to the sideline (blind side) at 1st marker when it is like a 10 meter blind side. Are they just lazy and don't want to go in for the next tackle? It pisses me off.

Hindmarsh has to start teaching the other players how he holds the tackled player down so long.

 

[Stagger eel]

And I bet my life, he could. The man has a talent, unlike other coaches. If SK has extracted a few wins thus far, pretty sure Bennett could of jagged a few more.

well, we'll never know because he would never coach a club that would carry a squad like ours..