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Kiwis 2007 Tri-Nations Thread

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LeagueNut

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Jesbass - nearly there
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Jesbass

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Grr. I'm annoyed. I just can't get my article to flow properly. Here it is, if anyone is willing to go over it and offer suggestions. It just feels disjointed and clunky at the moment. Help!

For The Sake Of A Name (743 words including title)

jeremys.jpg

Jeremy Smith and, err, Jeremy Smith.

The closest I’ll probably ever get to encountering my namesake within rugby league circles would be if I was to interview Broncos prop Dave Taylor. The only other similarity I have with a rugby league player is that I happen to share my birthday with former Warrior and Kiwi legend Stacey Jones – hardly a claim to fame.

But for two Kiwis who played in the embarrassing Centenary Test match against Australia on Sunday the 14th of October in Wellington, their similarities are numerous: both were on debut; both were born in New Zealand but play for Australian-based NRL clubs; and both have the same name. In fact, even their middle initials and nicknames were almost identical. Jezza and Jezza, otherwise known as South Sydney's halfback Jeremy Smith and his back rower namesake from Melbourne, caused confusion in the Kiwis camp and amongst many league fans when they were initially selected.

They aren’t the first namesakes to don the black and white jersey, however.

Two George Smiths, a winger and a halfback, played for the Kiwis, but their matches were three years apart, in 1908 and 1911 respectively. And George Turner the centre played his last international match in 1961, while his namesake – a prop – made the top level for the first time in 1964.

But, until the Centenary Test, only two Kiwi namesakes had only ever taken to the field together at international level, in a bygone era…

The early years of international rugby league were a somewhat curious period for the Kiwis. When the Australian Kangaroos toured New Zealand in 1919, they experienced an absurd situation when local referee, Arthur Brunsden, proceeded to show the visitors his interpretation of the play-the-ball after penalising them numerous times. 1924 had seen the touring Great Britain team bring the international level of the game to the deep south of New Zealand, but their efforts to expand the sport there were hampered by the Otago Rugby Union, who refused to let them use the premier Dunedin football ground, Carisbrook, and even organised a rival rugby union match to clash with the league test in an effort to sabotage the crowd base – a plan which ironically backfired when the 14,000 spectators who watched the Kiwis grossly outnumbered their rugby union counterparts. And in 1925, just one year before a touring Kiwi side had half its squad go on strike and refuse to play, two Jim O’Briens took to the field as the Kiwis hosted a touring Queensland side.

For one of them, a back rower from the Devonport area of Auckland, this was to be his only match for the national side. The other, a prop from the Marist club, was a former All Black who had already played three tests against Great Britain after switching codes the year before.

Now, 82 years on, it seems amazing to think that those who took part in that match were older than international rugby league itself, with the sport having only being played at the top level for eighteen years. But that was, of course, normality back then, as were touring state sides, which would frequently come over to New Zealand to take on the national team.

Because both Jim O’Briens only played together on home soil, they wouldn’t have encountered the near miss that the two Jeremy Smiths experienced, when they found that one of them had had his flight booking erroneously cancelled for the team’s tour of Great Britain and France.

But that hasn’t been their only problem. Poor performances for a side that buckled under a record-breaking 58-0 rampage at the hands of the Kangaroos, led to halfback Smith being dropped in favour of Wigan Warriors playmaker Thomas Leuluai, while second rower Smith was one of many Kiwis who could count themselves lucky for gaining reselection.

Jim O’Brien and Jim O’Brien only played together on one occasion – a 35-14, seven-to-two try romp, which ultimately spelled the end of one namesake’s international career. Now, in 2007, after an embarrassing and impassionate effort from almost every position against the Australians and a solid performance from the new halves combination of Leuluai and Lance Hohaia, there is the potential for Jeremy Smith and Jeremy Smith to suffer the same fate.

One can only hope that, for the sake of their name, and for the sake of the game, that scenario doesn’t eventuate.

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Sources:
Tomato, barbeque, tartare.
 

Jesbass

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madunit said:
i think it flows quite well.

Well, I think we've established your opinion can't be trusted...lol... :sarcasm:

Nah, cheers for that. Maybe if I read it over again, I'll be persuaded. :)
 

Jesbass

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Just noticed a minor error.

For The Sake Of A Name (742 words including title)

jeremys.jpg

Jeremy Smith and, err, Jeremy Smith.

The closest I’ll probably ever get to encountering my namesake within rugby league circles would be if I was to interview Broncos prop Dave Taylor. The only other similarity I have with a rugby league player is that I happen to share my birthday with former Warrior and Kiwi legend Stacey Jones – hardly a claim to fame.

But for two Kiwis who played in the embarrassing Centenary Test match against Australia on Sunday the 14th of October in Wellington, their similarities are numerous: both were on debut; both were born in New Zealand but play for Australian-based NRL clubs; and both have the same name. In fact, even their middle initials and nicknames were almost identical. Jezza and Jezza, otherwise known as South Sydney's halfback Jeremy Smith and his back rower namesake from Melbourne, caused confusion in the Kiwis camp and amongst many league fans when they were initially selected.

They aren’t the first namesakes to don the black and white jersey, however.

Two George Smiths, a winger and a halfback, played for the Kiwis, but their matches were three years apart, in 1908 and 1911 respectively. And George Turner the centre played his last international match in 1961, while his namesake – a prop – made the top level for the first time in 1964.

But, until the Centenary Test, only two Kiwi namesakes had ever taken to the field together at international level, in a bygone era…

The early years of international rugby league were a somewhat curious period for the Kiwis. When the Australian Kangaroos toured New Zealand in 1919, they experienced an absurd situation when local referee, Arthur Brunsden, proceeded to show the visitors his interpretation of the play-the-ball after penalising them numerous times. 1924 had seen the touring Great Britain team bring the international level of the game to the deep south of New Zealand, but their efforts to expand the sport there were hampered by the Otago Rugby Union, who refused to let them use the premier Dunedin football ground, Carisbrook, and even organised a rival rugby union match to clash with the league test in an effort to sabotage the crowd base – a plan which ironically backfired when the 14,000 spectators who watched the Kiwis grossly outnumbered their rugby union counterparts. And in 1925, just one year before a touring Kiwi side had half its squad go on strike and refuse to play, two Jim O’Briens took to the field as the Kiwis hosted a touring Queensland side.

For one of them, a back rower from the Devonport area of Auckland, this was to be his only match for the national side. The other, a prop from the Marist club, was a former All Black who had already played three tests against Great Britain after switching codes the year before.

Now, 82 years on, it seems amazing to think that those who took part in that match were older than international rugby league itself, with the sport having only being played at the top level for eighteen years. But that was, of course, normality back then, as were touring state sides, which would frequently come over to New Zealand to take on the national team.

Because both Jim O’Briens only played together on home soil, they wouldn’t have encountered the near miss that the two Jeremy Smiths experienced, when they found that one of them had had his flight booking erroneously cancelled for the team’s tour of Great Britain and France.

But that hasn’t been their only problem. Poor performances for a side that buckled under a record-breaking 58-0 rampage at the hands of the Kangaroos, led to halfback Smith being dropped in favour of Wigan Warriors playmaker Thomas Leuluai, while second rower Smith was one of many Kiwis who could count themselves lucky for gaining reselection.

Jim O’Brien and Jim O’Brien only played together on one occasion – a 35-14, seven-to-two try romp, which ultimately spelled the end of one namesake’s international career. Now, in 2007, after an embarrassing and impassionate effort from almost every position against the Australians and a solid performance from the new halves combination of Leuluai and Lance Hohaia, there is the potential for Jeremy Smith and Jeremy Smith to suffer the same fate.

One can only hope that, for the sake of their name, and for the sake of the game, that scenario doesn’t eventuate.
 

Jesbass

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Okay, I'm persuaded. A few minor changes here and there, and this is the finished product, minus sources. I'll post it up tonight after work if there is no more feedback. :)

For The Sake Of A Name (745 words including title)

jeremys.jpg

Jeremy Smith and, err, Jeremy Smith.

The closest I’ll probably ever get to encountering my namesake within rugby league circles would be if I was to interview Broncos prop Dave Taylor. The only other similarity I have with a rugby league player is that I happen to share my birthday with former Warrior and Kiwi legend Stacey Jones – hardly a claim to fame.

But for two Kiwis who played in the embarrassing Centenary Test match against Australia on Sunday the 14th of October in Wellington, their similarities are numerous: both were on debut; both were born in New Zealand but play for Australian-based NRL clubs; and both have the same name. In fact, even their middle initials and nicknames are almost identical. Jezza and Jezza, otherwise known as South Sydney's halfback Jeremy Smith and his back rower namesake from Melbourne, caused confusion in the Kiwis camp and amongst many league fans when they were initially selected.

They aren’t the first namesakes to don the black and white jersey, however.

Two George Smiths, a winger and a halfback, played for the Kiwis, but their matches were three years apart, in 1908 and 1911 respectively. And George Turner the centre played his last international match in 1961, while his namesake – a prop – made the top level for the first time in 1964.

But, until the Centenary Test, only two Kiwi namesakes had ever taken to the field together at international level, in a bygone era…

The early years of international rugby league were a somewhat curious period for the Kiwis. When the Australian Kangaroos toured New Zealand in 1919, they experienced an absurd situation when local referee, Arthur Brunsden, proceeded to show the visitors his interpretation of the play-the-ball after penalising them numerous times. 1924 had seen the touring Great Britain team bring the international level of the game to the deep south of New Zealand, but their efforts to expand the sport there were hampered by the Otago Rugby Union, who refused to let them use the premier Dunedin football ground, Carisbrook, and even organised a rival rugby union match to clash with the league test in an effort to sabotage the crowd base – a plan which ironically backfired when the 14,000 spectators who watched the Kiwis grossly outnumbered their rugby union counterparts. And in 1925, just one year before a touring Kiwi side had half its squad go on strike and refuse to play, two Jim O’Briens took to the field as the Kiwis hosted a touring Queensland side.

For one of them, a back rower from the Devonport area of Auckland, this was to be his only match for the national side. The other, a prop from the Marist club, was a former All Black who had already played three tests against Great Britain after switching codes the year before.

Now, 82 years on, it seems amazing to think that those who took part in that match were older than international rugby league itself, with the sport having only being played at the top level for eighteen years. But that was, of course, normality back then, as were touring state sides, which would frequently come over to New Zealand to take on the national team.

Because both Jim O’Briens only played together on home soil, they wouldn’t have encountered the near miss that the two Jeremy Smiths experienced, when they found that one of them had had his flight booking erroneously cancelled for the team’s tour of Great Britain and France.

But that hasn’t been their only problem. Poor performances for a side that buckled under a record-breaking 58-0 rampage at the hands of the Kangaroos led to halfback Smith being dropped in favour of Wigan Warriors playmaker Thomas Leuluai, while second rower Smith was one of many Kiwis who could count themselves lucky for gaining reselection.

Jim O’Brien and Jim O’Brien only played together on one occasion – a 35-14, seven-to-two try romp in Queensland’s favour, which ultimately spelled the end of one namesake’s international career. Now, in 2007, after an embarrassing and impassionate effort from almost every position against the Australians and a solid performance from the new halves combination of Leuluai and Lance Hohaia, there is the potential for Jeremy Smith and Jeremy Smith to suffer the same fate.

One can only hope that, for the sake of their name, and for the sake of the game, that scenario doesn’t eventuate.
 

rayroxon

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Here's mine. Not the best but here it is.

Take the tip – Have a fantasy.

Trying to get a footy fix I logged onto a certain footy website to check out my footy tips for the year last week. Depressingly enough I noticed I had an extremely ordinary season, which I’m guessing is a common theme amongst most of us. Everyone has different ways of picking their footy tips from the logical to the extreme.

The experts amongst us will study the form guide with fervor taking into account such things as recent form, injuries wins at the ground, recent history, amongst other things. You can usually pick them standing by the photocopier, printing off the expert’s tips, teams and stats for the tipping competition on a Friday morning. Given half a chance they will rabbit on about the speed of the turf, the tendency to kick versus the ability to counter attack, the forward pack and the creativeness of the halves. Home ground advantage, momentum and grudges are far too emotional and intangible to come into calculations most of the time however they’ll secretly rely on these last resorts when the stats don’t argue a clear case. Boring, transistor radio types, they are commonly a Souths supporter that went to the rallies but won’t go to games.

Some take an approach, which melds the factual with the intestinal. In other words they’ll look at form as a prime factor, however if the over riding gut feeling says otherwise they’ll go for that. They’ll strike a formulaic approach and go with the big four at the start of the season (Broncos, Storm, Dogs and Cowboys) and tip against the also-rans (Souths, Raiders, Titans and Panthers) as much as possible. They’ll panic when the Knights and the Dragons start going down the shoot and Manly and the Eels do better than projected. They will fail to change their tipping habits in time leaving them as mid table also-rans. Their team is also usually symptomatic of “mid-tablitis” and they’re usually a Sharks fan.

Then there’s the plain devious. Displaying the planning skills of the truly gifted or the criminally insane they’ll follow the tipping trends of the major papers, watch for the person that takes out the tipping comp and after tallying their tips, they’ll submit at the last second taking the most favoured tip from five different competitions. This approach will take them close to the top of the ladder but a lack of real intelligence and empathy holds them back from winning the comp.

Finally, tipping newbie will take a novel approach. They’ll look at the most illogical arguments such as who’s players are hotter, which colours would look better in my wardrobe or which team sounds the meanest. That’s not all, I’ve seen solo games of stone paper scissors used to decide tips; I’ve heard arguments such as “I don’t know what a Bronco is so I’ll tip the Rabbit cos he’s cute” or “A Storm would have no chance against an Eagle cos the Eagle could just fly away” I’ve even seen a variation of the love calculator used to decide winners. (If you don’t know what the love calculator is watch some late night TV) Sure enough these tippers are usually female, Roosters fans and by some quirk of fortune, leading the tipping ladder.

When I tip, I’ll use a combination of all four and end up more confused than ever hence my rubbish season. It’s 10 years since I last won a tipping competition, I don’t think it’s coincidence that it was my first one either. My theory is the more you “know” about footy the more you’ll over think the tip and seemingly get it all wrong. That’s where fantasy football came into my life and ultimately made me believe again.

Using my footballing nous I entered a fantasy league for the first time this year. The great thing about fantasy is that you don’t need to tip your team every week; it’s a competition that recognizes the skill of the coach and immerses you in the world of league so much more than a simple tipping competition. Needless to say, I ended up taking out my first ever fantasy league title on the back of Watmough and Asotasi this season. No doubt in 10 years time I’ll be writing a piece lamenting the lack of skill involved in fantasy football. Until then at least let the fantasy continue.
 

madunit

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Jesbass said:
Well, I think we've established your opinion can't be trusted...lol... :sarcasm:

Nah, cheers for that. Maybe if I read it over again, I'll be persuaded. :)
maddy upset the kiwi cart :(

It'll take more than that to get me out of the black jersey:cool:
 
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I've pm'ed Nut apologising that I will not be able to get an article in. I just haven't had the time to stitch it all together.
 

[furrycat]

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Boys I am in massive trouble.

Still here at work and won't be back til 9:30!

I havent got my article here! :( Can someone sub me?!
 

LeagueNut

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[furrycat] said:
Boys I am in massive trouble.

Still here at work and won't be back til 9:30!

I havent got my article here! :( Can someone sub me?!

Bugger. :(

My article is 99% ready, so I can sub myself in for Furry.

Robster - we'll need you to whip something up mate, unless Reece is still around and feeling up to it.

I won't make any subs in the match thread until someone pipes up to let me know who's able to post.

Jesbass - posted!
madunit - posted!
Mixmasterreece - OUT (probably)
rayroxon - posted!
[furrycat] - OUT

Robster - IN (probably)
LeagueNut - IN

The pressure's on team ... how will the MIGHTY KIWIS respond??!!?? :shock:
 

Jesbass

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The POMS are confident of getting all five. :(

MiX, any chance you could just post what you've got, perhaps? Or furrycat, get the article sent to you via the web from home?
 
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