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Knight Russell Packer jailed for two years

betcats

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Yep
Youre guessing.
You dont know.
Glad you finally agree.

I said "of course its my assumption" when I first responded you moron. I cant prove my assumptions right and you cant prove them wrong so please f**k off with your "all we actually know is what happened" bullshit cause we are on an internet forum, it is a place made for discussion.

What a pointless conversation, all you have said is "you dont know that happened" lol if knew exactly how it happened I wouldnt be making assumptions.
 
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Snappy

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Thats your assumption.

How do you know they wouldnt have done the same had he got a bon/fine/non custodial sentence?

Whay are you assuming I was thinking that way?

Maybe the Knights wouldve sacked him regardless...all we know is what HAS happened....if's and buts just make you out to be a creative writer

Wayne's letter to the court gives a pretty clear indication that the Knights had not intention whatsoever in sacking him. They only sacked him once they realised it was a lost cause.

The sentence came despite a letter from Newcastle Knights coach Wayne Bennett to the court defending his player.

"If given the opportunity, the Knights can help him develop his social skills," the letter read. "There is a strong leadership group at the Knights who are all committed to working with Mr Packer during the rehabilitation process."

He said the club had organised a treatment plan dubbed "Project Packer", which would address his issues involving alcohol, anger management, etiquette and social skills, as well as helping him with community service.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...ars-over-assault/story-fni3fbgz-1226796153714
 

Joker's Wild

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Wayne's letter to the court gives a pretty clear indication that the Knights had not intention whatsoever in sacking him. They only sacked him once they realised it was a lost cause.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...ars-over-assault/story-fni3fbgz-1226796153714

The Knights would not have had all the details of the incident before the trial and were acting under the assumption of innocent until proven guilty. He was an employee and they acted in his defence and did all that was in there power to help him. Considering this would have effected Packers partner and kids directly, innocent parties, I think they acted appropriately to try and defend the guy given the circumstances.

Trial has occured, Russell has been found guilty and the club has taken steps to help his family before formally cutting ties. I really dont see why people are getting their panties in a twist about how the Knights handled the scenario.
 

God-King Dean

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It's not that hard you skirt. Haven't had one for nearly 4 months and I did it cold turkey.


Good luck with it though.


Although, your favourite foods won't taste as good anymore.

My last smoke was November 1st.

Only time I get cravings is when I'm drinking. It's not that often, when I do get one, it's f**king intense. I've nearly caved 3 times. 1 time technically I did, on New Years. Mate offered me a cigarette, he gave me one & I couldn't light. Then I was like "Nah, can't do it....." But I know if I got it lit I would have to start again.

I regret ever taking it up, as it's kind of ruined drinking for me, as they have always gone hand in hand. Cravings are get less & less frequent though.
 

Loudstrat

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The Knights would not have had all the details of the incident before the trial and were acting under the assumption of innocent until proven guilty. He was an employee and they acted in his defence and did all that was in there power to help him. Considering this would have effected Packers partner and kids directly, innocent parties, I think they acted appropriately to try and defend the guy given the circumstances.

Trial has occured, Russell has been found guilty and the club has taken steps to help his family before formally cutting ties. I really dont see why people are getting their panties in a twist about how the Knights handled the scenario.
Why wouldnt they? With a $4ook investment, they could surely get to the bottom of the matter, especially if Fudge admitted to it!
 

Pierced Soul

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The Knights would not have had all the details of the incident before the trial and were acting under the assumption of innocent until proven guilty.


Trial has occured, Russell has been found guilty and the club has taken steps to help his family before formally cutting ties.

what makes you think the knights didnt know what had happened? the integrity unit knew what had happened and my understanding is the unit and clubs liaise with each other over incidents. the integrity unit refused to register him for at least 12 months based purely on the info they had, its probable the knights had similar info yet were hoping for the usual slap on the wrist, send him to "counselling" and play him in 2015

as for the family/kids argument, it's hard on them, but if packer was an average kiwi coming to australia for work opportunities and a better life, his prospective employer wouldn't necessarily be "looking after" his family just because he was a lunatic and stomped someone. i think its a nice gesture they knights are helping but i cant see any other industry where the organisation would be taking care of the family in this way
 

Snappy

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The Knights would not have had all the details of the incident before the trial and were acting under the assumption of innocent until proven guilty. He was an employee and they acted in his defence and did all that was in there power to help him. Considering this would have effected Packers partner and kids directly, innocent parties, I think they acted appropriately to try and defend the guy given the circumstances.

Trial has occured, Russell has been found guilty and the club has taken steps to help his family before formally cutting ties. I really dont see why people are getting their panties in a twist about how the Knights handled the scenario.

There was no presumption of innocence, because he pleaded guilty.

As the previous post pointed out, the NRL integrity unit had seen enough not to register his contract, so I think its safe to assume the Knights would have been aware of the facts.

The trial was never about proving guilt, but rather deciding an appropriate punishment.
 

Joker's Wild

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what makes you think the knights didnt know what had happened? the integrity unit knew what had happened and my understanding is the unit and clubs liaise with each other over incidents. the integrity unit refused to register him for at least 12 months based purely on the info they had, its probable the knights had similar info yet were hoping for the usual slap on the wrist, send him to "counselling" and play him in 2015

as for the family/kids argument, it's hard on them, but if packer was an average kiwi coming to australia for work opportunities and a better life, his prospective employer wouldn't necessarily be "looking after" his family just because he was a lunatic and stomped someone. i think its a nice gesture they knights are helping but i cant see any other industry where the organisation would be taking care of the family in this way

Possibly, but until the trial had been completed Im sure not every aspect had been disclosed to the Knights. They erred on the side of caution and who could blame them given the coverage of the incident.

The Knights are not company XYZ though, they are a national sporting body that attracts huge media attention for incidents like this. They need to act accordingly and part of that would be to make sure that the family was being taken care of. Imagine the media storm that would have erupted if the Knights had just cut ties and left them to fend for themselves. No one in RL would want or expect that to happen
 

Joker's Wild

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There was no presumption of innocence, because he pleaded guilty.

As the previous post pointed out, the NRL integrity unit had seen enough not to register his contract, so I think its safe to assume the Knights would have been aware of the facts.

The trial was never about proving guilt, but rather deciding an appropriate punishment.

As has been pointed out too, Packer didnt plead guilty until the day of the trial. Up until then, he was presumed innocent.

Sacking Packer straight up would not have changed a damn thing really. The Knights kept measured with their media releases until the trial had been completed. Id not be surprised if this was requested of them to do so from the NRL and or the police given the very public nature of the trial.

Again, I really dont see where the Knights went wrong in all of this
 

Joker's Wild

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TBH mate I dont know. I have no experience on what goes on between an accused, their lawyer and their employer. There could very well be legal governance over what info can or cannot be passed between them.

In the end it doesnt really matter though because I think the Knights have made the smartest move by waiting until after the trial before releasing their intentions to the public. I would hate for them to have taken any action that could have jeapordised themselves from a legal perspective
 
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Knights to see Packer victim By DONNA PAGE and SAM RIGNEY Jan. 15, 2014, 10:23 p.m.
CRITICISM: Knights boss Matt Gidley has agreed to meet Enoka Time.

KNIGHTS chief executive Matt Gidley has agreed to meet the man bashed unconscious by Russell Packer.

This came after criticism that the club had shown little regard for the victim.

Enoka "Lester" Time revealed yesterday that he had contacted the Knights this week to express his disappointment at the club's handling of the matter.

The Knights claimed last night that Mr Time had requested "financial assistance" and said he would approach the media about their response.

Mr Time disputed this.

He said he was only after some acknowledgment and an apology and had not demanded money.

"All I said was I was after some acknowledgment for the victim, whether that was financial or otherwise," he said.

"I didn't demand money, I didn't bribe them or anything along those lines."

Mr Time, who was punched in the face by Packer and had his head stomped on while he lay motionless on the ground, said there appeared to be little thought for what he had been through.

"All I've seen in the media is they [the Knights] looked like they were trying to defend him [Packer]," he said.

"As an NRL club they are very heavily involved in the community . . . I was a little saddened that they did not acknowledge me in some kind of form . . . acknowledge me as a victim."

The Knights claim they tried to contact Mr Time after the incident in November, but were advised against it due to the pending legal proceedings.

This week Mr Gidley admitted the club had not reached out to Mr Time.

Packer pleaded guilty to the attack, which was caught on CCTV footage, and was sentenced in the Downing Centre Local Court last week to two years' jail.

Magistrate Greg Grogin described Packer's actions as cowardly and deplorable.

At the time Knights football general manager Warren Smiles said the club would stand by Packer and his family.

But on Monday, after a wave of outrage from fans and the media, the Knights stated that they had always intended to sack the Warriors recruit.

Mr Time, a semi-professional rugby league player from Auckland who lives in Sydney, said he knew at the time of the attack who Packer was.

He said the assault, which followed an argument over cigarettes, still "affected" his life and had changed the way he views "going out".

"I think about being put in a position where it could happen again," he said.

"I feel more vulnerable now."

Mr Time said he suffered two fractures to the side of his face, including a broken eye socket, lacerations and severe bruising.

And he was being tested for hearing loss.

The 22-year-old said he did not pursue charges, the police did. And he felt for Packer's family.

He said it was important the Knights acknowledged there was a victim in the case, and that was why he contacted Mr Gidley directly.

"I was very thankful I was able to walk away from that with a few fractures," he said.

"I'm happy to leave it behind and move on.

"I can't hold a grudge and keep thinking about it all the time."

Packer's appeal against his sentence will be heard on February 11.

http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2026268/knights-to-see-packer-victim/?cs=305
 

Bigfella

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The Knights would not have had all the details of the incident before the trial and were acting under the assumption of innocent until proven guilty. He was an employee and they acted in his defence and did all that was in there power to help him. Considering this would have effected Packers partner and kids directly, innocent parties, I think they acted appropriately to try and defend the guy given the circumstances.

Trial has occured, Russell has been found guilty and the club has taken steps to help his family before formally cutting ties. I really dont see why people are getting their panties in a twist about how the Knights handled the scenario.

Bennett provided the reference to the Court at his sentence hearing.

There was no chance that they thought he was innocent. He pleaded guilty and was being sentenced.

There was no trial. The letter talks about rehabilitation. It was written in the knowledge that the offence had been committed.
 

Pierced Soul

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this guy sounds like a real tool

he does, and he hasnt necessarily handled his social media well either, but it doesnt take away from the fact he's the victim.

on one hand i do feel for the knights because a recruit who hasnt even represented them on the field has caused them a shitload of drama. you cant blame it on culture either cos packer's barely unpacked, but i think they've made some errors from a PR respect as well and left themselves open to criticism
 

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