Knight Russell Packer jailed for two years

[El Diablo]

Out of interest El D, are you claiming Packer got treated harshly by the NRL for failing to register his contract whilst he was still in trial, or are you arguing the AFL were too lenient for not deregistering the WA guy?

i don't know what the integrity unit knew as it was never published as to why they refused to register him so can't comment

and the AFL guy has been treated leniently by the AFL and the media

do you disagree or should he be free to play despite being found guilty of GBH?

 

[The Elephant In The room]

so what?

he was found guilty

Ferguson pleaded not guilty

should he be allowed to play?

You do realize that the West Coast Eagles delisted Newman in Oct 2013? Sure, they will probably pick him up again, but they may be subject to his sentencing, and the AFL have made no comment as to whether they would re-register his contact anyway.


Ferguson wasn't de-registered for the assault charge, he was de-registered because of "repeated behavioral issues involving alcohol".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-16/ferguson-pleads-not-guilty-to-indecent-assault-charges/4822646

And no, Ferguson should not be allowed to play given what he was charged with. I'd be happy for the NRL to never allow him to be registered again, or at least give him 12-24 months before they do.

What about soccer El D, if they treat their players with kid gloves, should the NRL do it to, Or Cricket? Or Netball? Or do you only have the inferiority complex about AFL?

 

[El Diablo]

it's the media that expects the NRL to abide by a different set of rules, not me

 

[The Elephant In The room]

i don't know what the integrity unit knew as it was never published as to why they refused to register him so can't comment

and the AFL guy has been treated leniently by the AFL and the media

do you disagree or should he be free to play despite being found guilty of GBH?

What could they know that would make it ok El D? He still hadn't been found guilty had he? :crazy:

I think its been proven that both codes have gone soft on players in the past when it comes to these things. I'm just glad the NRL has treated Packer the way they have because what he did was disgusting and abhorrent. The AFL guy, less disgusting and less abhorrent because I think his "attack" was not as sustained, it lasted only 10 seconds, the other guys was still fighting when they were pulled apart, and he didn't punch and stomp on a defenseless and unconscious man. If you can't see the differences, then no one can help you.

Each code is free to set their own boundaries as to whom they want to allow to play in their sport. Its not a pissing competition.

 

[El Diablo]

still defending him and acting as if he was treated harshly

one required surgery to put his jaw back together and i have not read anywhere that the other did

you're as bad as the media who don't say boo about these guys

 

[perverse]

Jesus... it's blatantly obvious that the AFL is treated with kiddy-gloves by the media when compared to the NRL. I don't even know why you would bother arguing against that point.

I certainly believe this gives them more freedom to treat incidents more leniently. Of course it does. Bad press is the main reason a governing body would take any action at all.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

it's the media that expects the NRL to abide by a different set of rules, not me

You mean the Sydney media that you read? The Sydney media that focus mainly on Rugby League because this is predominately a League city?

As I made the point earlier, there was little media out cry when Maitua was charged. Why? Because it was a minor assault. Newman was charged, and found guilty of a more serious Assault (GBH), and has had more media on him because of it (that said he is a relative rookie, so has little to no status in the game). Packer was charged and plead guilty to an act described by the judge as cowardly and deplorable. He is a NZ rep, and was Newcastle's big money, and biggest name signing.

If you can't see the differences in each of those situations, I can't help you.

 

[El Diablo]

Jesus... it's blatantly obvious that the AFL is treated with kiddy-gloves by the media when compared to the NRL. I don't even know why you would bother arguing against that point.

I certainly believe this gives them more freedom to treat incidents more leniently. Of course it does. Bad press is the main reason a governing body would take any action at all.

exactly

and it's bad press that stops parents from letting their kids play games

ironically they'll then let them play a game where an identical incident was treated more leniently because of this

 

[El Diablo]

You mean the Sydney media that you read? The Sydney media that focus mainly on Rugby League because this is predominately a League city?

it's not just the Sydney media

 

[The Elephant In The room]

still defending him and acting as if he was treated harshly

one required surgery to put his jaw back together and i have not read anywhere that the other did

you're as bad as the media who don't say boo about these guys

So you are happy for every NRL player that gets into a fight (particularly if they win said fight) to be suspended? A simple yes or no will suffice.

My main and consistent argument is that both cases should be treated differently, because the circumstances were different.

 

[magpie4ever]

exactly

and it's bad press that stops parents from letting their kids play games

ironically they'll then let them play a game where an identical incident was treated more leniently because of this

Shit, this is out of left field (or, should I say right field; for you).

A new thread would be needed if there was or is any truth to it.

 

[The Elephant In The room]

Jesus... it's blatantly obvious that the AFL is treated with kiddy-gloves by the media when compared to the NRL. I don't even know why you would bother arguing against that point.

I certainly believe this gives them more freedom to treat incidents more leniently. Of course it does. Bad press is the main reason a governing body would take any action at all.

I spend enough time in Melbourne to know that they cop their fair share of criticism. Sure there are also alot of media that are little more than lackeys that suck at Vlad's sizable teat, but that's the same in the NRL. How long did the media have the pictures of Barba's missus before they reported on them?

 

[The Elephant In The room]

exactly

and it's bad press that stops parents from letting their kids play games

ironically they'll then let them play a game where an identical incident was treated more leniently because of this

Identical? Newman stomped on and punched his victim whilst he was unconscious?

 

[El Diablo]

Identical? Newman stomped on and punched his victim whilst he was unconscious?

did he require surgery to put his jaw back together?

 

[The Elephant In The room]

did he require surgery to put his jaw back together?

You still can't work out whether you are outraged over Packers "harsh" sentence, or outraged over Newmans "light" sentence, can you?

Just for future reference, if an NRL player punches someone and breaks their jaw and an AFL player hits someone with an iron bar and breaks their jaw, are you going to claim they're "identical incidents? The victim will have the same injuries, so the incidences must be identical. :crazy:

 

[Delboy]

All the inane comments between El D and the Elepahnt need to acknowledge this simple truth. The AFL have over time let the media know that if they talk down AFL in any way , then they will not get access.

Demetiops or whatever nah is name is,is at the forefront if bullying the media, the NRL is put under the microscope in almost a vicious spiral as the media feels it can sell space by hammering the game, different to the reception in Bleak City.

As long so we recognise that the Aerial ping pong players have been doing far worse and it generally gets swept under the carpet, then we can understand the seemingly fierce attack NRL gets in both cities

 

[El Diablo]

You still can't work out whether you are outraged over Packers "harsh" sentence, or outraged over Newmans "light" sentence, can you?

Just for future reference, if an NRL player punches someone and breaks their jaw and an AFL player hits someone with an iron bar and breaks their jaw, are you going to claim they're "identical incidents? The victim will have the same injuries, so the incidences must be identical. :crazy:

why can't you answer the question?

you are trying to say the assault was less severe yet one victim required surgery to put his jaw back together and the other didn't

are you of sound mind :?

 

[The Elephant In The room]

why can't you answer the question?

you are trying to say the assault was less severe yet one victim required surgery to put his jaw back together and the other didn't

are you of sound mind :?

The Newman assault was much less severe. His combatant in a fight walked away, and didn't even seek treatment for his fractured jaw until the next day. Packers victim was beaten until his was unconscious and then Packer continued to punch and stomp on him.

Happy?

 

[El Diablo]

. Packers victim was beaten until his was unconscious and then Packer continued to punch and stomp on him.

Happy?

did he require surgery to put his jaw back together?

did he require any surgery?

you seem to have a problem answering that

had Packer threatened his victim for weeks prior to the assault?

 

[Suitman]

The Newman assault was much less severe. His combatant in a fight walked away, and didn't even seek treatment for his fractured jaw until the next day. Packers victim was beaten until his was unconscious and then Packer continued to punch and stomp on him.

Happy?

Don't bother mate.