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kris keating future with the eels?

Craig Johnston

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for a start, calling someone an idiot for having an opinion is very harsh, secondly, wasn't it Robson who was playing 7 while KK was 6 and if you're that convinced that Robo will offer nothing to this first grade team this year, than I would like to nominate you, to represent league unlimited and tell DA himself that we don't need Robo from day one and you insist that we get rid of him...

funny and true story, at the end of last years coach's forum at the league club, some hero took it upon himself to tell DA that INU wasn't being used properly so without a right of reply, he demanded the coach put him at five eight...:lol:

suffice to say DA put the bloke in his place very quickly...and he stfu!!

you've seen me post a few times that i never said kk will be 7 from rd 1. its who's there at round 26 that counts, and if thats robson, then we should be doing MUCH better, thats all i'm saying
 

Stagger eel

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you've seen me post a few times that i never said kk will be 7 from rd 1. its who's there at round 26 that counts, and if thats robson, then we should be doing MUCH better, thats all i'm saying

that's fine CJ...come back in round 26 and let's see if you're right, meanwhile..I'm interested in a good hitout with no injuries in trial 1, which apparently is tonight.

btw, if Robson does play 7 in round 26 which is actually possible, would that make you an idiot?
 

Craig Johnston

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that's fine CJ...come back in round 26 and let's see if you're right, meanwhile..I'm interested in a good hitout with no injuries in trial 1, which apparently is tonight.

btw, if Robson does play 7 in round 26 which is actually possible, would that make you an idiot?

i'm happy to be proven wrong, but if that happens it will be more likely that kk or other is injured.
 

B-Tron 3000

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^^^ another idiot that's forgotten the form of kk before he broke his jaw

I remember KK's form.

I remember a bloke who played most of his games off the bench. I remember a guy who showed a good darting run and decent short kicking game. I remember a bloke that was exciting at times and could pull out some great plays. I don't recall a solid, consistent first grader that was leading the team around the park to victories. Do you? Please, tell me what you remember...


If anyone is making themselves look like an idiot here it is you. You seem to have an inability to read what people have written and understand the concepts that they are talking about. I'm not sure I can explain what I was saying in yet another way, but I'll give it a shot:

Robson has proven himself in first grade and in the Finals. He has shown that he can take a team to the GF, and within a whisker of the Premiership. He has proven that he can be consistent over a number of weeks while the team is winning. He has proven that he fits very well into the style of football that has us winning games. Has KK proven these things?

Now, before you go off half-cocked again, I NEVER said that KK won't end up a better player than Robson. Despite my apparent idiocy, I'm smart enough to know that I can't predict how KK will end up. As I said, he has potential. And I'm sensible enough to know that I can't see what each player brings to the team in the dressing room, on the training paddock etc. That's why I prefer performance over potential. And when talking about performance, I mean playing your part in a winning team.

And as we saw in 09 (and 06 for that matter), many things can happen over the course of a year - players get injured forcing a change of style, players go through different periods of form, things happen off-field, rep season hits, combinations can rise and fall. (eg if Hayne is injured, we might need someone like KK more than Robson, who knows?)

Because of this, I don't think that anyone who supports Robson is an idiot if KK is halfback in R26, just like i don't think that you're an idiot if KK is not halfback by Round 26. Why you look like an idiot is your inability to understand that what KK has done so far gives him no right to the halfback jersey, or to assume that he will end up with the halfback jersey based on his apparently superior talent. (I say apparently superior talent because it seems that exciting football and darting runs are being rated more highly than organisation and consistency). Just the same, what Robson has done so far ensures he has the jersey for a while, but not indefinitely.

What you definitely have wrong is your comment that we should be playing a whole lot better if Robson is still the halfback in R26. If Robbo is halfback at the end of R26 we only need to be going as well as we were at the end of last year. If KK is the halfback by round 26 then I assume that will mean that he has brought something to the team that Robson hasn't, and that we are playing better. If that is the case we will be playing unbelievable football!


Look, I love that we are a club that produces juniors. I love that the fans like to see the local boys come through. But if we Parra fans have a failing - and we have a few - too often we hack on the team, and too often we think that an unproven youngster can do the business over the guy that is incumbent. It's understandable when we are losing because people get frustrated, but after going on an incredible late-season run to the GF it defies belief. And it's tiring. I just want to enjoy my team and chat to other fans without some know-all telling us that so-and-so isn't good enough. Two years ago it was Luke Burt not good enough, then Cayless, now it's Robson.


So... in summary, my point has always been this:

Robson has proven he can be part of a Grand Final team, all the rest is speculation.
 
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A few people tend to forget that KK was playing behind a pack that wasn't showing much and lacked confidence when he broke his jaw. He was playing good football and I am for Robson starting the season but I guarantee other NRL teams would have taken note at some defensive concerns during the GF. I can see KK eventually being in starting 17. Nothing against Robson just my opinion, have been wrong before too.
 

Craig Johnston

First Grade
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I remember KK's form.

I remember a bloke who played most of his games off the bench. I remember a guy who showed a good darting run and decent short kicking game. I remember a bloke that was exciting at times and could pull out some great plays. I don't recall a solid, consistent first grader that was leading the team around the park to victories. Do you? Please, tell me what you remember...


If anyone is making themselves look like an idiot here it is you. You seem to have an inability to read what people have written and understand the concepts that they are talking about. I'm not sure I can explain what I was saying in yet another way, but I'll give it a shot:

Robson has proven himself in first grade and in the Finals. He has shown that he can take a team to the GF, and within a whisker of the Premiership. He has proven that he can be consistent over a number of weeks while the team is winning. He has proven that he fits very well into the style of football that has us winning games. Has KK proven these things?

Now, before you go off half-cocked again, I NEVER said that KK won't end up a better player than Robson. Despite my apparent idiocy, I'm smart enough to know that I can't predict how KK will end up. As I said, he has potential. And I'm sensible enough to know that I can't see what each player brings to the team in the dressing room, on the training paddock etc. That's why I prefer performance over potential. And when talking about performance, I mean playing your part in a winning team.

And as we saw in 09 (and 06 for that matter), many things can happen over the course of a year - players get injured forcing a change of style, players go through different periods of form, things happen off-field, rep season hits, combinations can rise and fall. (eg if Hayne is injured, we might need someone like KK more than Robson, who knows?)

Because of this, I don't think that anyone who supports Robson is an idiot if KK is halfback in R26, just like i don't think that you're an idiot if KK is not halfback by Round 26. Why you look like an idiot is your inability to understand that what KK has done so far gives him no right to the halfback jersey, or to assume that he will end up with the halfback jersey based on his apparently superior talent. (I say apparently superior talent because it seems that exciting football and darting runs are being rated more highly than organisation and consistency). Just the same, what Robson has done so far ensures he has the jersey for a while, but not indefinitely.

What you definitely have wrong is your comment that we should be playing a whole lot better if Robson is still the halfback in R26. If Robbo is halfback at the end of R26 we only need to be going as well as we were at the end of last year. If KK is the halfback by round 26 then I assume that will mean that he has brought something to the team that Robson hasn't, and that we are playing better. If that is the case we will be playing unbelievable football!


Look, I love that we are a club that produces juniors. I love that the fans like to see the local boys come through. But if we Parra fans have a failing - and we have a few - too often we hack on the team, and too often we think that an unproven youngster can do the business over the guy that is incumbent. It's understandable when we are losing because people get frustrated, but after going on an incredible late-season run to the GF it defies belief. And it's tiring. I just want to enjoy my team and chat to other fans without some know-all telling us that so-and-so isn't good enough. Two years ago it was Luke Burt not good enough, then Cayless, now it's Robson.


So... in summary, my point has always been this:

Robson has proven he can be part of a Grand Final team, all the rest is speculation.

parra forum fan votes after 10 rounds (about the time kk broke his jaw)

14 points - Fuifui Moimoi
10 points - Nathan Hindmarsh
10 points - Kris Keating
4 points - Jarryd Hayne
3 points - Eric Grothe
3 points - Joel Reddy
2 points - Luke Burt
1 point - Joe Galuvao
1 point - Feleti Mateo

cumulative votes at end of season;

34 points - Fuifui Moimoi
32 points - Jarryd Hayne
26 points - Nathan Hindmarsh
13 points - Luke Burt
12 points - Eric Grothe
10 points - Kris Keating
10 points - Ben Smith
8 points - Daniel Mortimer
5 points - Joel Reddy
5 points - Feleti Mateo
4 points - Jeff Robson
2 points - Tim Mannah
2 points - Kris Inu
2 Points - Todd Lowrie
1 point - Joe Galuvao
1 point - Nathan Cayless

as voted by your peers, enough said.
 
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How about we bring in Morgan Parra, the scrum half from France, that smashed the all conquering Irish last night?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/8508468.stm

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IFR33K

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parra forum fan votes after 10 rounds (about the time kk broke his jaw)

14 points - Fuifui Moimoi
10 points - Nathan Hindmarsh
10 points - Kris Keating
4 points - Jarryd Hayne
3 points - Eric Grothe
3 points - Joel Reddy
2 points - Luke Burt
1 point - Joe Galuvao
1 point - Feleti Mateo

cumulative votes at end of season;

34 points - Fuifui Moimoi
32 points - Jarryd Hayne
26 points - Nathan Hindmarsh
13 points - Luke Burt
12 points - Eric Grothe
10 points - Kris Keating
10 points - Ben Smith
8 points - Daniel Mortimer
5 points - Joel Reddy
5 points - Feleti Mateo
4 points - Jeff Robson
2 points - Tim Mannah
2 points - Kris Inu
2 Points - Todd Lowrie
1 point - Joe Galuvao
1 point - Nathan Cayless

as voted by your peers, enough said.



Im not one, for egging people on, but you sure silenced a few in here.


Like I said before, Robson is a sound player, but there are better options. FMD, some people in here are going on like the Eels made the GF, on the back of Robson.

I hope he has a great, great year, and wish him all the best for 2010, but I dont think he is much more then a back up half!!!!
 

parra pete

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parra forum fan votes after 10 rounds (about the time kk broke his jaw)

14 points - Fuifui Moimoi
10 points - Nathan Hindmarsh
10 points - Kris Keating
4 points - Jarryd Hayne
3 points - Eric Grothe
3 points - Joel Reddy
2 points - Luke Burt
1 point - Joe Galuvao
1 point - Feleti Mateo

cumulative votes at end of season;

34 points - Fuifui Moimoi
32 points - Jarryd Hayne
26 points - Nathan Hindmarsh
13 points - Luke Burt
12 points - Eric Grothe
10 points - Kris Keating
10 points - Ben Smith
8 points - Daniel Mortimer
5 points - Joel Reddy
5 points - Feleti Mateo
4 points - Jeff Robson
2 points - Tim Mannah
2 points - Kris Inu
2 Points - Todd Lowrie
1 point - Joe Galuvao
1 point - Nathan Cayless

as voted by your peers, enough said.


Jingoes, you must be right..KK is clearly the better player...He's even better than Danny Mortimer, Joel Reddy , Feliti and Tim Mannah....Who'd a thunk it....
Well spotted Craig. Quick, now send it onto the coach....
 

fanool

Juniors
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Enough said??!?!?!

OMG

Robson was hands down the best player on the field in the biggest match Parra have won in nearly 25 years and you reckon the coach is gonna turn around and take the jersey off him because of the way KK might be able to play?

FMD you have a short memory. The last game Keating pay was a BIG game against Manly and Watmough crushed him like a bug.

Yeah sure Andio will be thinking, "jeezus Robbo has let me down, I need a man like Keating who stood up for me last year. I'll give Robbo til round 4 to show me some outstanding skill" I seriously doubt it.

What ever happens, if your gonna base the decision (on who wears the 7) on last years form on the board KK would be the last bloke I would DEPEND on.

I reckon Mortz would get a crack at the 7 before KK.

KK will need to do some MASSIVE SH!T on the field to warrant Ando dropping Robson.

I reckon he'd need to be impressing like Hayne did and if that happens you'd be getting no arguments from this forum similar to the Hayne vs Burt for FB debate.

Put to rest by Hayne himself.

And for the record before you call me an idiot, I would like nothing more than KK and DM as the halves from rnd 1, but you need to be realistic.
 

Ron Jeremy

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Jingoes, you must be right..KK is clearly the better player...He's even better than Danny Mortimer, Joel Reddy , Feliti and Tim Mannah....Who'd a thunk it....
Well spotted Craig. Quick, now send it onto the coach....

It's a comparison in relation to halfbacks....which you it seems didn't spot.
 

Ron Jeremy

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Enough said??!?!?!

OMG

Robson was hands down the best player on the field in the biggest match Parra have won in nearly 25 years and you reckon the coach is gonna turn around and take the jersey off him because of the way KK might be able to play?

FMD you have a short memory. The last game Keating pay was a BIG game against Manly and Watmough crushed him like a bug.

Yeah sure Andio will be thinking, "jeezus Robbo has let me down, I need a man like Keating who stood up for me last year. I'll give Robbo til round 4 to show me some outstanding skill" I seriously doubt it.

What ever happens, if your gonna base the decision (on who wears the 7) on last years form on the board KK would be the last bloke I would DEPEND on.

I reckon Mortz would get a crack at the 7 before KK.

KK will need to do some MASSIVE SH!T on the field to warrant Ando dropping Robson.

I reckon he'd need to be impressing like Hayne did and if that happens you'd be getting no arguments from this forum similar to the Hayne vs Burt for FB debate.

Put to rest by Hayne himself.

And for the record before you call me an idiot, I would like nothing more than KK and DM as the halves from rnd 1, but you need to be realistic.

The hayne vs Burt debate was so stupid at the time, and even worse was that it still lingers amongst the burt groupies - it's laughable, Hayne was always the better option in every aspect...everything from statistics, to play on the field, everything, Hayne had Burts measure plus a whole lot more at 19 - his 2007 was sensational, yet people conveniently forgot his form - much like KK's before he got injured.
Robson i like, but we should never forget what KK can offer, which potentially is greater, however the dynamics of the side will prove who is the better fit - and i think it may well be robson.
 

The Engineers Room

First Grade
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The hayne vs Burt debate was so stupid at the time, and even worse was that it still lingers amongst the burt groupies - it's laughable, Hayne was always the better option in every aspect...

Hold on there. In hindsight he is now but at the time he was not playing football anything like he did at the end of the season. He had little impact and wasn't getting the ball in his hands.

Burt had played some pretty good games back there. You can't tell what is going to play and potential can mean nothing.
 

strider

Post Whore
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I think the only "Burt groupie" ron is referring to is HJ - and he only does it to piss ron off :lol: :lol:
 

B-Tron 3000

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It's a comparison in relation to halfbacks....which you it seems didn't spot.
That's not the point though is it Ron?

The point Pete is making - and obviously Craig Johnston missed it because he started this "3-2-1 as voted for by the fans" argument - is that you can't rely on a fan-based 3-2-1 vote to make an argument about who is the best player and therefore who should be in the team.

It's OBVIOUS that KK isn't better than Dan Mortimer, Inu, Reddy etc, so the value of using that system to say who is better is inherently flawed, no matter who you are comparing.

What IFR33K also fails to understand is that the silence was brought about because it was obvious that using the 3-2-1 system was a nonsensical argument, not because the argument was won by that rubbish post.
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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That's not the point though is it Ron?

The point Pete is making - and obviously Craig Johnston missed it because he started this "3-2-1 as voted for by the fans" argument - is that you can't rely on a fan-based 3-2-1 vote to make an argument about who is the best player and therefore who should be in the team.

It's OBVIOUS that KK isn't better than Dan Mortimer, Inu, Reddy etc, so the value of using that system to say who is better is inherently flawed, no matter who you are comparing.

What IFR33K also fails to understand is that the silence was brought about because it was obvious that using the 3-2-1 system was a nonsensical argument, not because the argument was won by that rubbish post.

Really? Its obvious? are you certain?
 
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