kris keating future with the eels?

[mickdo]

Let's all round up Robson and stone him......Bastard...

Stoning's too good for him. Drawn and quartered IMO.

 

[born an eel]

-I-
/ ' \

ok he's been drawn, now to be quarted ;-)

 

[mickdo]

-I-
/ ' \

ok he's been drawn, now to be quarted ;-)

Done!

...:shock:

-...I...-

/........\

 

[84 Baby]

so, if we need a dominant half, we will need to spend about $450K, who do we let go to afford another marquee player.

A lot of people disagreed with my analysis but I still maintain there have been a lot of non-dominant, non-marquee, non-superstar halfbacks who have one premierships. The difference is great halves can turn ordinary teammates into good players (see 75% of the players in the Tigers/Cowboys grand final) but you can get by with having superstars in other positions, particularly 5/8th, fullback and more recently hooker. These players can direct the play, lead the attack and create the plays. The halfback is there as a kicker option, link man or part-time playmaker

 

[parra pete]

M
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Pig....


Nup, didn't work...

 

[yy_cheng]

so, if we need a dominant half, we will need to spend about $450K, who do we let go to afford another marquee player.

tbh, I do think we have an imbalance in our salary cap.

As viewed by the experts, 1, 6 or 7, 9 should be your highest paid players.

Our 6,7,9 are not.

We have spent too much on one too many three


However, what DA is doing might change the way the games played.

 

[mickdo]

As viewed by the experts, 1, 6 or 7, 9 should be your highest paid players.

The experts also said we wouldn't make the finals last year

 

[JoeyJoJo83]

The experts also said we wouldn't make the finals last year

Touche :lol:

 

[Eelementary]

I watched the replay of the Titans-Eels game we lost in Round 18. Robson's kicking game was spot on - finding the grass every kick. Perhaps his "worst" kick was the grubber he put in with 10 minutes left when we were trailing 18-12 - it didn't have as sharp an angle on it as he would have liked, but it was still a decent kick. Put us in a position to force an error 20 out from their line with a strong defensive set.

Robbo for Prime Minister.

 

[Springs]

Robson stays, Keating goes. Would rather have kept Kingston anyway.

 

[yy_cheng]

As I posted in the other thread:

6. KK
7. Robbo
14. Mortz - especially if he doesn't sign with us

 

[lingard]

I understand in principle why you think a dominant halfback or 5/8 is needed. But our style of play relies on two things: (1) second phase play, and (2) getting our impressive outside backs one-on-one and creating opportunities out wide.

I know many would disagree, but in my opinion, Parramatta under Daniel Anderson is THE best team in the NRL when it comes to offloading and second phase play. Hindy, Caylo, Hayne, Mortimer, Robbo, Mateo, Fui, Grothe, Inu, Tahu - they all have a good offload on them. When we can hit holes and then pop an offload and then run teams ragged, we're in our element. Hell, we nearly beat the Storm - considered by many as the team of the decade - in the decider by playing in this fashion.

True, our kicking could use work. But we have a heap of options available: Robson, Mortimer, Hayne, Kris Keating, Matt Keating, Mateo...And I have watched highlights of Robson's game very closely over the past few weeks and he is pretty decent there, particularly with his short kicking. Watch the tapes - he knows how to put a perfect grubber in the in-goal or pop a short bomb/chip. He's not as skill-less and many say. OK, he's no Andrew Johns. But I dare say Andrew Johns would not work as well in our current structure as he did at Newcastle - a side where there is no true dominant playmaker (Hayne or Mateo not counting) and the team throws the ball around? That wouldn't fit Joey's style.

Ando has managed to forge a team that gets results and, perhaps more importantly, entertains the fans - we were all glued to our seats last year watching this amazing team perform the feats they did, and it was done with no "real" halfback.

I, for one, have complete faith in Jeff Robson and Daniel Anderson and I, for one, truly, honestly believe we CAN go all the way with him at halfback.[/QUOTE]


Me too.

 

[lingard]

Someone else had posted that the 09 eels played an expansive game just as the 80s eels.

However, the 80s eels had a general.

That general, knew when to throw to kenny, knew when to run around and put on a play, knew when to grubber in goal for a repeat 6, knew when to throw out a cutout pass to a flying Grothe.

A 1-13 of Taylor, Grothe, Cronin, Ella, Kenny, Sterlo, Price
had the same or actually better strike power as
Hayne, Grothe, Tahu/INU, Reddy, Burt, Mortz, Robson, Mateo.

Sterlo had potent men outside him as well but he did not get in the way.

Sterlo was 2-3 plays in front of everyone else and that made the difference. When to take control when to let his outside men do the work.

They grabbed 4 Premierships, lost 1 GF.

Is that what the current team is missing? That little creme on top? We are now playing an adhoc game. Relying on individual brilliance to make a break. Sterlo's team was not so adhoc. More on strategy and vision

Robson gets the ball to the outside men really well, but does he have the vision when we need it? Even if he does have the vision, can he execute it technically?

Time will tell. If we win 2010 or if we don't, the answer will unfold.


That's what I think is missing but I don't mind giving Robson first dabs at achieving it.

Are you seriously comparing Jeff Robson to Peter Sterling? Why not compare Daniel Mortimer to Brett Kenny? Or Matt Keating to Steve Edge? Or Joel Reddy to Mick Cronin? Or............
Be serious. Compare Jeff Robson to Dale Penna or Ben Kusto or Stu Galbraith or Tim Smith or ......... and I think you`ll find he goes all right.

 

[lingard]

I watched the replay of the Titans-Eels game we lost in Round 18. Robson's kicking game was spot on - finding the grass every kick. Perhaps his "worst" kick was the grubber he put in with 10 minutes left when we were trailing 18-12 - it didn't have as sharp an angle on it as he would have liked, but it was still a decent kick. Put us in a position to force an error 20 out from their line with a strong defensive set.

Robbo for Prime Minister.[/QUOTE]


All right. So we`ll make him Prime Minister.........and then we`ll stone him?

 

[yy_cheng]

Are you seriously comparing Jeff Robson to Peter Sterling? Why not compare Daniel Mortimer to Brett Kenny? Or Matt Keating to Steve Edge? Or Joel Reddy to Mick Cronin? Or............
Be serious. Compare Jeff Robson to Dale Penna or Ben Kusto or Stu Galbraith or Tim Smith or ......... and I think you`ll find he goes all right.

My reply was in context to Eelementary's post debating whether we required a halfback with stronger organizational skills.

I pointed out that both backlines were similar in potency.

But is that extra bit of vision (being 2 plays ahead) and being technically able to execute (short grubbers, maintain pressure), throwing it to the right person the difference between almost good enough to being good enough to wear a premiership ring?

Look, I think Hayne is better than Taylor, Tahu better than Ella or on par with the Crow, Grothe almost can cancel each other out (although I think Senior is just a tad better, less brain explosions), Price and Hindy negate each other and what is left? Our halves?


Lastly, I don't think we would win a premiership with these players DaVID Penna or Ben Kusto or Stu Galbraith

 

[Eelementary]

I see what you're saying, yy.

I just feel Jeff Robson is heavily criticised and it isn't always warranted. For starters, his kicking game isn't as bad as everyone makes out. He didn't necessarily set up many tries or repeat sets, but he often found grass with his kicks and with his enthusiastic kick-chase we were able to put oppositions under pressure - almost as if we'd gotten a drop-out.

I also feel confident he will improve his game.

Lastly, in my opinion, the side needs Robson. And how potent will we look if we can boast KK, Mateo, Hayne, Morts and MK on the field all at once, for instance?

 

[Bazal]

Robson will start the season, and so he should. He took us to a grand final and played well above his rating. But Kris Keating will be the starting seven by the end of the season, the kid is a fantastic talent.

 

[Suitman]

Robson will start the season, and so he should. He took us to a grand final and played well above his rating. But Kris Keating will be the starting seven by the end of the season, the kid is a fantastic talent.

Wow.
That's two issues in one day that I completely agree with you on. :lol:

Suity

 

[Bazal]

I'm not ALWAYS an idiot

 

[yy_cheng]

I am more than willing to give the 7 to robson and I think Pete sums it up the best. If KK ends up there, then he must be in scintilating form to take the 7 away from robbo.

Eele, how come everytime I felt when Robson kicked it went to the fullback ala finch.

Hayne found spaces and Mortz was getting better towards the end, but I think Robbo found the fb more than he found grass