Leagues club AGM 2012

[Delboy]

Mark, yep we did have that conversation, what most of us did not know was that he had never coached anyone other than the Kiwis (no junior reps, no NYC, not even U15s)

Having said that the most frustrating part is his inability to attract the right sort of players to co0mplement Parramatta. I think originally he was expected to be the man manager but he may well have been too nice when selection time comes around.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, if only BS had not worn out his welcome, he was the most likeable of them all

 

[mickdo]

You're trying really hard for this debacle to appear to be an over reaction by fanatics.

#3amigos

Just trying to pin it all on SK is definitely an overreaction. He's definitely part of the problem, but there are bigger issues here.

#letsblamethecoach

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Let's get DA back! Yay!

That’s not that answer and you know it.

I was concerned in 2010 that we were replacing an experienced coach with a rookie. I was happy if they thought changing the coach was required but I thought it was a step back. To some point I also think is sabotaged our 2010 and 2011 seasons, removing any chance at stability for the club. Considering the churn of people in the football office it would have been a calming influence. But that moment has passed.

We don't need DA back and I doubt that he would come if asked by this board, we just need someone who is better than Kearney, someone that has a proven track record for team building and performance for example. I have someone in mind but I think we need to see what happens tonight first.

By all means keep Nolan, keep "the Academy", keep Kearney in a development role, just get him out of coaching the first grade side. He has had his 18 months, and we have gone backwards, despite recruiting well. The players need to perform, we all know that but when the entire side is in a form slump, as it looks like often this year, it is no longer the fault of the players there is something happening behind the scenes.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Mark, yep we did have that conversation, what most of us did not know was that he had never coached anyone other than the Kiwis (no junior reps, no NYC, not even U15s)

Research is a wonderful thing and something I would have hoped our club management would have done. For mine it looks as though the danced to the beat of someone else’s drum on that one.

Having said that the most frustrating part is his inability to attract the right sort of players to co0mplement Parramatta. I think originally he was expected to be the man manager but he may well have been too nice when selection time comes around.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, if only BS had not worn out his welcome, he was the most likeable of them all

I think the most frustrating is how close we could have gone last year if we could have played for 80 minutes and how far we have stepped back this year.

As for BS, I would still right now sign a nomination for life membership of the club for Brian, a stand up bloke, easy to talk to and a master tactician and a 57% win ratio, only Jack and Jason Taylor were better on percentages.

 

[Delboy]

That’s not that answer and you know it.

I was concerned in 2010 that we were replacing an experienced coach with a rookie. I was happy if they thought changing the coach was required but I thought it was a step back. To some point I also think is sabotaged our 2010 and 2011 seasons, removing any chance at stability for the club. Considering the churn of people in the football office it would have been a calming influence. But that moment has passed.

We don't need DA back and I doubt that he would come if asked by this board, we just need someone who is better than Kearney, someone that has a proven track record for team building and performance for example. I have someone in mind but I think we need to see what happens tonight first.

By all means keep Nolan, keep "the Academy", keep Kearney in a development role, just get him out of coaching the first grade side. He has had his 18 months, and we have gone backwards, despite recruiting well. The players need to perform, we all know that but when the entire side is in a form slump, as it looks like often this year, it is no longer the fault of the players there is something happening behind the scenes.

Spot on

 

[Gronk]

That’s not that answer and you know it.

I was concerned in 2010 that we were replacing an experienced coach with a rookie. I was happy if they thought changing the coach was required but I thought it was a step back. To some point I also think is sabotaged our 2010 and 2011 seasons, removing any chance at stability for the club. Considering the churn of people in the football office it would have been a calming influence. But that moment has passed.

We don't need DA back and I doubt that he would come if asked by this board, we just need someone who is better than Kearney, someone that has a proven track record for team building and performance for example. I have someone in mind but I think we need to see what happens tonight first.

By all means keep Nolan, keep "the Academy", keep Kearney in a development role, just get him out of coaching the first grade side. He has had his 18 months, and we have gone backwards, despite recruiting well. The players need to perform, we all know that but when the entire side is in a form slump, as it looks like often this year, it is no longer the fault of the players there is something happening behind the scenes.

Good post. They need to own this today.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Actually Monie was on 58% so . . . yeah Jack and John Monie and Jason Taylor.

 

[mickdo]

That’s not that answer and you know it.

I agree. Some don't seem to...

Agree with the rest as well

 

[Parraren]

That’s not that answer and you know it.

I was concerned in 2010 that we were replacing an experienced coach with a rookie. I was happy if they thought changing the coach was required but I thought it was a step back. To some point I also think is sabotaged our 2010 and 2011 seasons, removing any chance at stability for the club. Considering the churn of people in the football office it would have been a calming influence. But that moment has passed.

We don't need DA back and I doubt that he would come if asked by this board, we just need someone who is better than Kearney, someone that has a proven track record for team building and performance for example. I have someone in mind but I think we need to see what happens tonight first.

By all means keep Nolan, keep "the Academy", keep Kearney in a development role, just get him out of coaching the first grade side. He has had his 18 months, and we have gone backwards, despite recruiting well. The players need to perform, we all know that but when the entire side is in a form slump, as it looks like often this year, it is no longer the fault of the players there is something happening behind the scenes.

Great post.

However the big question is, how confident are you that the people running the club are capable of makng the right decisions to get us out of the mess we find ourselves in?

That is my real concern.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Great post.

However the big question is, how confident are you that the people running the club are capable of makng the right decisions to get us out of the mess we find ourselves in?

That is my real concern.

Being honest, I was seconds away from raising my hand at the FC AGM to second the motion of no confidence, however I felt we need to see how the recruitment and development worked out over the off season.

Considering the "temperature" of the room that night, and the discussions I had with several people, I think there were many who were in the same boat as I was, I think they were giving the group their last chance, tonight will be an interesting night.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Can I also just say, the situation we find ourselves in tonight is a reason for not having the NRL side run by the leagues club.

The Leagues club has been refurbished and is in a better financial position than when the current board came to power.

But if there is a successful motion tonight, and we have to go to an election and an XGM. . . .it will be for nothing and what I knew years ago will be shown to be true again, football people really don’t care about the leagues club, all they care about is Parramatta being a competitive in everything they do.

 

[mickdo]

Can I also just say, the situation we find ourselves in tonight is a reason for not having the NRL side run by the leagues club.

I agree Mark, but the previous board said it was too hard to do, and now this one has said the same despite previously saying they wanted to do it?

 

[strider]

do we really think everyone will be on board with:

- keep kearney to do some other role, BUT not head coach ... still get his $450K

- hire another coach to somehow work with/under/beside/ontop of SK ... another $300K+

- all the assistants and others will just work with this new coach .... generally this is not the case, head coaches have their own people

 

[MarkInTheStands]

do we really think everyone will be on board with:

- keep kearney to do some other role, BUT not head coach ... still get his $450K

- hire another coach to somehow work with/under/beside/ontop of SK ... another $300K+

- all the assistants and others will just work with this new coach .... generally this is not the case, head coaches have their own people

Has happened before. Generally when the coach gets the axe, everyone starts wondering about their own neck and "Principle" goes out the window.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

I agree Mark, but the previous board said it was too hard to do, and now this one has said the same despite previously saying they wanted to do it?

No, the previous board implemented it in 1999. The current board said at the FC AGM, they didn't see a reason to change it. My guess is that those reasons are being seen with eyes as big as dinner plates at the moment.

 

[Stagger eel]

That’s not that answer and you know it.

I was concerned in 2010 that we were replacing an experienced coach with a rookie. I was happy if they thought changing the coach was required but I thought it was a step back. To some point I also think is sabotaged our 2010 and 2011 seasons, removing any chance at stability for the club. Considering the churn of people in the football office it would have been a calming influence. But that moment has passed.

We don't need DA back and I doubt that he would come if asked by this board, we just need someone who is better than Kearney, someone that has a proven track record for team building and performance for example. I have someone in mind but I think we need to see what happens tonight first.

By all means keep Nolan, keep "the Academy", keep Kearney in a development role, just get him out of coaching the first grade side. He has had his 18 months, and we have gone backwards, despite recruiting well. The players need to perform, we all know that but when the entire side is in a form slump, as it looks like often this year, it is no longer the fault of the players there is something happening behind the scenes.

yup defs...

 

[Gronk]

No, the previous board implemented it in 1999. The current board said at the FC AGM, they didn't see a reason to change it. My guess is that those reasons are being seen with eyes as big as dinner plates at the moment.

I recall that it was claimed that the current structure benefited Fitzy who wanted control over his entire empire.

Unravelling this cannot be that easy unless there are tax implications and (for example) the transfer of the franchise would trigger CGT etc. Either way the new mob said they would do it and need to be transparent about it.

 

[Stagger eel]

do we really think everyone will be on board with:

- keep kearney to do some other role, BUT not head coach ... still get his $450K

- hire another coach to somehow work with/under/beside/ontop of SK ... another $300K+

- all the assistants and others will just work with this new coach .... generally this is not the case, head coaches have their own people

well it's either this or fork out a million bucks to replace Kearney overnight...

 

[Maroubra Eel]

Stop panicking guys. Everythings going to be alright.

 

[MarkInTheStands]

well it's either this or fork out a million bucks to replace Kearney overnight...

If the NC motion goes on tonight, this is how I see the next 4 weeks or so going.

This weekend against the Raiders, Kearney remains coach and the side step up to the plate after seeing the mood of the AGM. As TK would call it, "dead cat bounce"

Then we go into a bye and that is when the campaigning from both sides starts in all spheres and the pressure comes off the side as it turns into the board room for a few weeks.

We put a scare into the Dragons but go down narrowly, and beat the Sharks at Parramatta on a Monday night.

Then we have the election, after that who knows what will happen.