Madge

[Rabbits20]

Hopefully a full clean out of players that are eating our cap for playing like muppets!
Don't stop at the coach go the whole hog!

Bravo bravo....

Piss off the duds.....

I'm firing up tonight.....

 

[Rabbits20]

I agree with everything you say. Madge is a proven winning coach. Something that I don't know if people have thought about is how this is gonna affect resigning players either. Crichton has been tabled an offer but might be waiting to see whether Madge is staying or not. Getting rid of the coach is going to completely destabilise the club. My one hope from Seibold is that the players like him. If the players respect him then he can build on everything from there.

The players weren't even consulted and have been taken by surprise.....

 

[Pommy]

Thing is our players aren't accountable....

George Burgess is on 600k and does f**k all....

Turner should never have been re-signed....

George Burgess will be accountable next contract renewal when he takes a 60% pay cut.
That's just the way things are, I would love him to leave but we can't sack him. Coaches can be, although my suspicion is Madge has another job lined up in QLD.

 

[Rabbits20]

George Burgess will be accountable next contract renewal when he takes a 60% pay cut.
That's just the way things are, I would love him to leave but we can't sack him. Coaches can be, although my suspicion is Madge has another job lined up in QLD.

Interesting to see what happens with Cody next.

If we lose Crichton there will be riots outside the club...

 

[Pommy]

Interesting to see what happens with Cody next.

If we lose Crichton there will be riots outside the club...

Why would we lose Crichton?

 

[Rabbits20]

Why would we lose Crichton?

He may get more money elsewhere and he might be extremely pissed Madge is gone....

 

[handyman2190]

Bad decision by Souths. Maguire's record as coach was miles ahead of any Souths coach of the last 25 years

Souths need to fix their recruitment as their No 1 priority. Richo is head of recruitment so he should be first out the door. Instead Richo is announcing that Maguire is gone. Richo has signed only one NRL quality player for Souths next year in Gagai so he has been doing nothing while the team struggles

One other issue with Maguire is that it is very notable that he likes to recruit players from his past clubs. While at Souths he has recruited lots of Storm players and Wigan players like Lima. Now that Souths is his former club he will spend all his time trying to recruit Souths players and most likely will target any good young players Souths have

Your 100% and i worry crighton hasnt resigned yet

 

[Pommy]

He may get more money elsewhere and he might be extremely pissed Madge is gone....

Why would he be extremely pissed about Madge. It must have been obvious this was very likely to happen. Coaches come and go.
On the money side the club need to be sensible they need to make him a decent offer but you can't go stupid and potentially screw the club long term over one good season, he is still young. I do hope he stays but it can't be at any cost.

 

[foreverinourshadow]

Bravo bravo....

Piss off the duds.....

I'm firing up tonight.....

7 duds are sacked mate BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO...Shadow...

 

[Travitoh]

We are definitely in the rebuilding stage. About 10 of our 17 starting team are consistent first grade players. The rest of them only show up in patches. We have a need to blood a lot of juniors because of our underperforming players already in the 17. We have too many injury prone players that demand a lot of money from the salary cap. I think we would be lucky to see a premiership in the next couple of years thus should be rebuilding the squad. Gray is leaving and Cody who is one of our best players is also upset with his pay. I think Madge was definitely trying to rebuild the squad to the best of his ability but was booted before he got his chance.

But i ask again, why are we in a rebuilding stage? Madge inherited a relatively young, talented squad and took them to a premiership but then less than 3 years later we're looking at another rebuild despite the majority of those players now being in a prime age bracket. Why does it seem that they all aren't putting in the shift that they were early in his tenure?

I agree that the players should shoulder their share of the blame but for the past 2 seasons we've been an underperforming side and the buck ultimately stops with the coach.

If you keep doing the same things, you'll keep getting the same results.

 

[foreverinourshadow]

oi RUSTY/SOUTHS...please sack some more duds just keep reading shadows posts and learn something i personally think a little spy at souths has told them to go and read shadows posts on leagueunlimited because i make complete sense . oi R20 7 down and 8/9 to go mate before we are a true force again but we must buy smart like the storm/broncos just buy champions thats how bellamy/bennett do it its not rocket science its that easy blind freddy knows that . ...Shadow...

 

[foreverinourshadow]

But i ask again, why are we in a rebuilding stage? Madge inherited a relatively young, talented squad and took them to a premiership but then less than 3 years later we're looking at another rebuild despite the majority of those players now being in a prime age bracket. Why does it seem that they all aren't putting in the shift that they were early in his tenure?

I agree that the players should shoulder their share of the blame but for the past 2 seasons we've been an underperforming side and the buck ultimately stops with the coach.

If you keep doing the same things, you'll keep getting the same results.

OUR TEAM IS FULL OF DUDS FFS 7 DUDS JUST GOT THE BOOT MORE TO COME GET WITH IT BOY YOUR LAGGING BEHIND SON STOP DRAGGING YOUR FEET...Shadow...

 

[souths_reborn]

I find a lot of this debatable



But why are we in a rebuilding phase? AR is 27, the twins are 25, Sam is 28, AJ is 22 and were all an important part of our 2014 premiership side. Sutton and GI are the only guys over 30 that i would've considered key players. Yes we've lost Walker, Teo and Luke but over that period we have also added guys like Gray, Crichton and Cody who would all have slotted into that 2014 side. We should've been aiming to build a dynasty but instead players haven't progressed and we've had the rest of the comp pass us.



Is he really a proven winner? Inherited a team that was on the verge of playing finals. Yes he did take them to a premiership at the third attempt but since then it's been a big fall with no obvious attempt to change things up. He hasn't evolved with the game and as a result we've been left behind. A part of the reason that players have left us and kicked on is that they have gotten into a system that is relevant in todays brand of footy. We've had some grim results in the past two years and very, very few positive results inbetween.



Can't argue too much about this but we need to have players develop above a first grade level. We need a coach who can develop guys to a rep level. It's no coincidence that the top 4 in the NRL are flush with rep players.

End of the day, a good coach leaves a team in better condition than he got it and in Madges time we have only regressed.

We are in a rebuilding phase because players from our 2014 team have been moved on for one reason or another. Ultimately, it was a combination of poor roster management and the 2014 team not being as good as everyone thought that landed us in this predicament. I could go into greater detail as to why we are in this predicament if you like but make no bones about it - we are going through a rebuilding phase! You only have to look at the number of inexperienced first grade players in our squad to grasp this. You've go the likes of Hymel Hunt, Robert Jennings, Tyrell Fuimaono, Zane Musgrove, Angus Crichton, Cameron Murray, Jack Gosiewski, Campbell Graham and many more who all feature regularly in our first grade squad that are inexperienced. Even the likes of Cody Walker and Damien Cook are hardly seasoned pros.

Yes I believe Maguire is a proven winner. He is a very demanding coach and generally sets high standards for the team. To put it more simply, I like the discipline he brings to our side even if it doesn't necessarily translate into results. I know many of your will find this hard to accept but despite our position on the ladder most of our performances this season have not been horrendous. At the very least, in most games we have been very hard to beat. Believe me, I was around in the 1990s and there were coaches that we had that adopted a more lax approach to coaching with dire results even though we may have finished higher on the ladder than we did this year. I'd much rather someone like Maguire than a Stephen Kearney whose teams are notorious for making catastrophic errors that are due to a lack of discipline and even apathy.

I think this whole thing about 'style of footy' and 'having not evolved' is a whole lot of baloney. Every team in the comp virtually plays the same way these days in that they rely on block plays and face balls in order to create scoring opportunities. Some teams, like the Panthers and Warriors, play ad-lib footy a times and while it may appear entertaining it is highly unreliable and their coaches are trying to discourage it. The reason for our decline is due to a number of reasons. Firstly, our last tackle options have been poor and I hate to pick one player but Adam Reynolds is culpable for this. In short, the guy needs to run the ball more in order to become less predictable. Secondly, we have deviated TOO MUCH from our 2014 style when attacking our opponents goal line. For instance, when was the last time you saw Adam Reynolds kick across field for chasers who are running across the face of defenders? Similarly, when was the last time you saw us try and isolate a halfback in the defensive line and have a big man run at them? These were all features of our 2014 attack that worked so wonderfully well. In my view this all started in 2015 when we started relying excessively on face balls and block plays; it became almost a foregone conclusion that any points that we would score would be come from Alex Johnston scoring out wide off the back of one of those plays!

Lastly, its easier said that done getting a coach who can turn players into rep players. In fact, its hard enough trying to find a coach who will develop their club's young players because every club wants instant success. Coaches therefore want to save their own bacon and go out and pay overs for mediocre players instead of developing young players. In a sense, what you are saying comes down to the old 'which came first: the chicken or the egg?" argument. In the NRL, I feel players become rep players when they are part of a winning team. This may not happen all the time but it does a lot of the time. Take Ashley Harrison as an example. For years he was our best player and would have comfortably slotted into the Queensland team but was never picked when he was with us. Sure enough as soon as he moved to a more successful team he got picked despite his performances not being any better or worse. Ultimately, when you are playing in a losing team your chances of playing rep footy are going to take a bit of hit unless you are an already established rep star.

 

[souths_reborn]

I agree with everything you say. Madge is a proven winning coach. Something that I don't know if people have thought about is how this is gonna affect resigning players either. Crichton has been tabled an offer but might be waiting to see whether Madge is staying or not. Getting rid of the coach is going to completely destabilise the club. My one hope from Seibold is that the players like him. If the players respect him then he can build on everything from there.

This is what I meant what I was talking about creating instability by sacking the coach. There will be many players at the club, particularly young ones, who will be feeling very anxious about the future of the club and their role in with their thought process involving questions such as: "do I feature in the new coach's plans?" "Where will he play me?" "What if his brand of football doesn't suit me like Madge's did" etc. Like I said in my previous posts, the role needs to go to someone who can coach and develop young players. This is no easy task - try and find another coach that has done it on the same high scale that Madge has? Wayne Bennett? Perhaps but a lot of the players in that Broncos team were ones that he inhereited. Moreover, he has a history of working with first graders, talented or otherwise, than developing youth. Craig Bellamy? He mainly specialises in getting the most out of first graders whose careers are at the cross roads or washed up. He also hasn't really had to develop youth or go through a rebuilding phase because of his success. Paul Green inherited the Cowboys team that Neil Henry put together...I could go on forever but my point is that good first grade coaches who can bring through quality first graders are few and far between.

 

[souths_reborn]

But i ask again, why are we in a rebuilding stage? Madge inherited a relatively young, talented squad and took them to a premiership but then less than 3 years later we're looking at another rebuild despite the majority of those players now being in a prime age bracket. Why does it seem that they all aren't putting in the shift that they were early in his tenure?

I agree that the players should shoulder their share of the blame but for the past 2 seasons we've been an underperforming side and the buck ultimately stops with the coach.

If you keep doing the same things, you'll keep getting the same results.

If you look at our 2014 team, the day after we won the comp we lost our two best forwards. At the end of 2015 we lost Isaac Luke who has gone into a rapid decline, Chris McQueen whose form went down hill, Auva'a who was sacked due to drugs and Dylan Walker whom the club released due to disciplinary problems. Have a look at our squad over the last few years and examine the reasons why each of those players were let go or moved on and you will find that it is a combination of poor roster management, bad luck or players simply going into decline or not being good enough.

 

[Rabbits20]

Souths reborn is making lots of sense....

 

[Souths Till I Die]

But i ask again, why are we in a rebuilding stage? Madge inherited a relatively young, talented squad and took them to a premiership but then less than 3 years later we're looking at another rebuild despite the majority of those players now being in a prime age bracket. Why does it seem that they all aren't putting in the shift that they were early in his tenure?

I agree that the players should shoulder their share of the blame but for the past 2 seasons we've been an underperforming side and the buck ultimately stops with the coach.

If you keep doing the same things, you'll keep getting the same results.

Trust me I see where you're coming from but Souths gameplay can only change through the players ability to adapt to that change. In my opinion we haven't had quality outside backs since 2015. We've always relied on Inglis, AR and Keary to pull off miracles from set plays. I honestly believe that the players we had either weren't ready for post Inglis and AR life or just don't have the ability to play without those players. I think adjusting to life without GI was the most difficult aspect to this year. This is a big reason why I thought Madge deserved 1 more chance. GI practically won us our 2014 premiership.

 

[Souths Till I Die]

This is what I meant what I was talking about creating instability by sacking the coach. There will be many players at the club, particularly young ones, who will be feeling very anxious about the future of the club and their role in with their thought process involving questions such as: "do I feature in the new coach's plans?" "Where will he play me?" "What if his brand of football doesn't suit me like Madge's did" etc. Like I said in my previous posts, the role needs to go to someone who can coach and develop young players. This is no easy task - try and find another coach that has done it on the same high scale that Madge has? Wayne Bennett? Perhaps but a lot of the players in that Broncos team were ones that he inhereited. Moreover, he has a history of working with first graders, talented or otherwise, than developing youth. Craig Bellamy? He mainly specialises in getting the most out of first graders whose careers are at the cross roads or washed up. He also hasn't really had to develop youth or go through a rebuilding phase because of his success. Paul Green inherited the Cowboys team that Neil Henry put together...I could go on forever but my point is that good first grade coaches who can bring through quality first graders are few and far between.

No you're completely right and it kind of worries me that the players weren't notified. I really hope Seibold has that same talent. All the players that have gone backwards seems like a lack of motivation rather than a coaching problem. Using Crichton as an example he has elevated to a SOO level player within a year. I did not see this coming and I think Madge has to take some credit for that. Crichton was nowhere near the player he is now this time last year. You look at Murray as well? That kid is another freak who looked like a completely different player in his last game compared to his first. Madge did have a great ability of grooming the younger players.

 

[Rabbits20]

Your 100% and i worry crighton hasnt resigned yet

Absolutely and I said that to Pommy........

It's a big concern......

 

[Rabbits20]

OUR TEAM IS FULL OF DUDS FFS 7 DUDS JUST GOT THE BOOT MORE TO COME GET WITH IT BOY YOUR LAGGING BEHIND SON STOP DRAGGING YOUR FEET...Shadow...

Glad you're keeping count of who has gone and who remains...

PM me about it mate....

I'm feeling emotional tonight........

Glad you are on top of the lists........