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Manly Salary Cap

Iafeta

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Get in the real world champ. How's an employers recruitment going to go with "hey, we're going to need you to do some dodgy shit, so we aren't going to provide you with a work phone or work laptop, we expect you to provide your own"?

We don't know whose laptops and phones they're requesting. I don't use my mobile phone for work, it's a personal phone. I'm not going to give it to an incompetent organisation like the NRL for an indefinite period, because I need to use the thing.

Blokes on footy clubs are usually old mates who have played for them, boozed with them, worked at the leagues club, or are diehard fans of the code who'd gladly take a knee capping for an initiation. I don't think it'd be all that hard.

I understand civil liberties and all that, but I doubt they'll go public with raunchy stories of the incognito search items they find that are outside of their scope of investigation. Even though I'm sure they know all the tricks of the redtube I hide from my old lady, I'd have no problems handing it over. They'd probably applaud me for my taste frankly.
 

Scaven

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So your ok with all the clubs now telling employers to use their own phones and computers for work just in case. Seems you are suggesting a good way for clubs to cover salary cap cheating?
No, if any device whether it be a phone or laptop is used at work it is fair game. Wanting personal laptops that have been kept at home is stepping over the mark and this is what the NRL wants. I don't blame the Penn's getting legal advice about that.
 

Perth Red

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No, if any device whether it be a phone or laptop is used at work it is fair game. Wanting personal laptops that have been kept at home is stepping over the mark and this is what the NRL wants. I don't blame the Penn's getting legal advice about that.

I suspect that isn't the case and they have some online evidence on personal devices being used for work correspondence. Otherwise the employer could just say they don't have a laptop.
 

Scaven

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I suspect that isn't the case and they have some online evidence on personal devices being used for work correspondence. Otherwise the employer could just say they don't have a laptop.
I suspect they have bugger all and this is a fishing expedition, but we will see.
 

Perth Red

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Police could just release the report they gave the NRl then we would see how much of it is fishing and how much of it has substance. Or we could accept that in probability there is something here that has got the NRl's integrity unit in a fluster. Its more likely to be how well Manly have buried it than if anything went on, Id be surprised if there isn't something dodgy going on at a large % of clubs tbh.
 

9701

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I would gladly hand over any of my devices to an employer, I am not stupid enough to have anything on them to get me in trouble, I have a wife and she is scarier than the NRL lack of integrity unit.
 

betcats

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No, if any device whether it be a phone or laptop is used at work it is fair game. Wanting personal laptops that have been kept at home is stepping over the mark and this is what the NRL wants. I don't blame the Penn's getting legal advice about that.

Why cant all these club executives just keep all their dodgy files and extra sets of books on the work computers, f**king imbeciles. It would make investigating cap cheats so much easier. :rolleyes:
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...s/news-story/600a05afe5546bf572766c73e4d1b06b

D-Day for Manly who refuse to hand over personal phones
The NRL’s salary cap investigation into Manly is expected to reach a tipping point today with the threat of sanctions looming against the Sea Eagles unless they provide the integrity unit with the information they have deemed necessary to complete their inquiry.

The investigation remains bogged down in legal wrangling, with the legalese now centred around clauses in the NRL rules that deal with the duty to co-operate for clubs and officials.

It is also understood the NRL has become frustrated by the Sea Eagles’ reluctance to waive confidentiality clauses in contracts with former employees.

The most concerning issue remains the integrity unit’s inability to gain access to mobile phone and email records of some of the club’s key figures, with the Sea Eagles arguing there is no requirement in the rules to hand over personal information or devices which are at arm’s length to the club. At the heart of the issue is rule 120 of the NRL rules which makes it clear clubs and people must co-operate with the salary cap auditor to the best of their ability.

Clause three of that section refers to written or electronic records and documents but the Sea Eagles argue that does not apply to personal mobile phones.

There is a provision for mobile phones and tablets in section 111(A). Furthermore, the NRL argues there is a footnote in the rules which clearly states that clubs and officials must not keep personal information on any device where there is a possibility that information related to player renumeration is also kept.

It is understood the Sea Eagles have raised concerns over private information being leaked into the public domain.

That catch-all clause, which ties into rule 109 relating to player renumeration records, says that: “… it is the responsibility of all clubs to ensure that personal or other information is NOT saved, stored, copied or backed up on an internet server, laptop, computer hard drive, portable hard drive or other device where there is any possibility that records of the kind referred to in rule 109 reside.

“Further, in the case of emails, the salary cap auditor may require all emails to be downloaded from the server and copied to a portable hard drive for later analysis.

“For that reason, all clubs must ensure that any email account that is used to transmit records of the kind referred to in Rule 109 is NOT used for personal business.”

The parties will attempt to end the impasse today but if they cannot find a way forward, the NRL has the option of breaching the club or individuals involved.

That could result in the Sea Eagles facing potential fines or key officials being deregistered over their refusal to comply with the investigation.

The salary cap inquiry, which has become an offshoot of the match fixing inquiry which began last year and ultimately found no evidence to support the claims, is fast becoming a test case for the NRL’s powers of investigation.
 

El Diablo

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strip them of all their points and reduce their salary cap for the next 5 years

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...n/news-story/251d32bc120f9df4d2bc0d25782cc9cd

Hefty sanctions likely as Manly Sea Eagles refuse to co-operate with NRL salary cap investigation
Dean Ritchie, The Daily Telegraph
July 25, 2017 6:43pm

THE salary cap cold war between Manly and the NRL failed to thaw on Tuesday despite both parties firing up their top officials for high-powered meetings.

Manly held lengthy meetings with club lawyers while the NRL’s integrity unit also met to discuss the festering issue.

Based on legal advice, the Sea Eagles continue to refuse handing over any relevant emails or mobile phone records to assist the NRL’s salary cap investigation.

Manly claim the mobile phones are privately used and owned, and the NRL has no legal right to seize them.

It is known one concerned Manly official in the front office is refusing to co-operate.

Manly chairman Scott Penn is overseas while his second in command, Geoff Day, did not return calls.

The NRL was tipped to sanction Manly on Tuesday unless the club provided the relevant information to NRL’s integrity unit.

Possible sanctions include a hefty fine, which would be a huge burden on the financially struggling Sea Eagles.

The NRL’s investigation centres around alleged secret cash payments to players in breach of salary cap rules.

NRL officials are becoming increasingly frustrated at what they claim is Manly’s lack of co-operation.

The club fears handing over such sensitive information could accidentally be leaked into the public domain.

If the standoff continues, the NRL could announce penalties for Manly as early as Wednesday.

The NRL claims its rules state clubs must fully co-operate with salary cap investigations, including surrendering information on electronic devices.
 

Nice Beaver

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The circus continues.

Question - what the f*ck do the NRL cap auditors do when they audit clubs?

If this whole "we have the right to check all electronic devices blah blah blah" is in their rules and regulations, why are they not doing it as standard practice?

We have been audited 3 times and found to be clear every time.

Now they want this other stuff and are stating its all allowed and standard practice in their rules.

Bullshit it is.

Anyway, on with the circus.
 

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