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Manly Salary Cap

Perth Red

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firechild said:
Geez you're a miserable prick.
The owners of the club have a pile of money that they won't hesitate to use to keep control of the club. Manly isn't going anywhere despite what you want.
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I seem to remember people saying the same about a certain Nathan Tinkler. Even rich people have limits on how much they'll spend on their toys. Its clear from Barrett that the owners dont want to spend much more. Whats your losses this year on an 8500 crowd avg I wonder?
 
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theo said:
I would replace the salary cap with a status rule being, having three or more than three representative players means the club can't buy more representative players from outside the club but can have an unlimited supply if they have been developed at the club.

The rule is black and white and doesn't require an accounts department.
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That'd be a good way of getting players to not want to play Origin or for the Kangaroos! Have you seen the Prime Ministers XIII? Its getting harder to get players in the green and gold as it is.
 
dogslife

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How could clubs like Parra and Manly not learn from past mistakes... You're at least supposed to be successful if you're rorting the cap. Dogs and Storm were trailblazers.

f**king losers!
 
theo

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Perth Red said:
That'd be a good way of getting players to not want to play Origin or for the Kangaroos! Have you seen the Prime Ministers XIII? Its getting harder to get players in the green and gold as it is.
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What it will do is reward clubs for representative development within the club and also free representative players to pursue careers elsewhere may be Perth if and when Perth is installed, because clubs may have more than allowed therefore can't buy more from outside the club.

I would rather see Perth and Adelaide in the national competition to complement the cities of... Townsville, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Newcastle, Canberra, Melbourne, Auckland, Sydney (I'd put all the existing Sydney clubs in a Sydney competition like it was in the old days and have a Sydney representative team).

There are only two states playing state v state on a regular basis, New South Wales and Queensland because of quality reasons, so ten teams in the national competition are enough for a population of 25 million for quality reasons.

It's the dream of kids to play representative sport and also win a national competition.

Perhaps the Prime Ministers 13 is not high on the strength schedule because it isn't the World Cup or Ashes and an opportunity for developing players to get match time.
 
firechild

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theo said:
I would rather see Perth and Adelaide in the national competition to complement the cities of... Townsville, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Newcastle, Canberra, Melbourne, Auckland, Sydney (I'd put all the existing Sydney clubs in a Sydney competition like it was in the old days and have a Sydney representative team).
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Great way to remove 80% of the support for the game. The game would be dead within a few years.
 
theo

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firechild said:
Great way to remove 80% of the support for the game. The game would be dead within a few years.
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The Sydney competition pre-1982, was the highest reputation league in Australia if not the world so I don't see how.

The progression from that should have been a representative team for Sydney, selected from players in the Sydney competition, to play in the national competition.
 
I Bleed Maroon

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I wonder what's worse

Not having a club at all, or having one and going almost 50 years without a premiership. And even when you do finally get one, you have to cheat to get it.
 
firechild

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theo said:
The Sydney competition pre-1982, was the highest reputation league in Australia if not the world so I don't see how.

The progression from that should have been a representative team for Sydney, selected from players in the Sydney competition, to play in the national competition.
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There's a million reasons why the game and fans are different to what they were pre-1982. It doesn't take a genius to work out why your idea wouldn't fly.
 
firechild

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theo said:
Here's your chance to shine firechild and state yours.
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I'm not going to waste my time going back and forth debating the merits of one of the stupidest ideas to have graced a forum that has top shelf stupid ideas on a weekly basis. However, if you had created a national competition in 1982 and elevated players to it, there would have been interest. If, in 2018, you dropped the majority of clubs into a second tier competition, the fans of those clubs will abandon the game because Sydney league fans aren't interested in coming together to support a common cause. The tribalism that has been building for 100 years means that Roosters fans hate everything about Souffs, Manly fans hate everything about Parra, Sharks fans hate everything about St George, etc.

See how many people go to Norths or Newtown games. That gives you an idea of how much people care when their team gets shafted to a second tier comp.
 
theo

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firechild said:
I'm not going to waste my time going back and forth debating the merits of one of the stupidest ideas to have graced a forum that has top shelf stupid ideas on a weekly basis. However, if you had created a national competition in 1982 and elevated players to it, there would have been interest. If, in 2018, you dropped the majority of clubs into a second tier competition, the fans of those clubs will abandon the game because Sydney league fans aren't interested in coming together to support a common cause. The tribalism that has been building for 100 years means that Roosters fans hate everything about Souffs, Manly fans hate everything about Parra, Sharks fans hate everything about St George, etc.

See how many people go to Norths or Newtown games. That gives you an idea of how much people care when their team gets shafted to a second tier comp.
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I'm outward looking firechild and believe people support their city, state, and national representative players and teams. We look inward to elevate those type of players and it works to have Townsville, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Newcastle, Canberra, Melbourne, Auckland... Sydney would work as well.

I'm a Saints supporter but I feel love when I visit the Sutherland Shire area. Sorry about your part of the world :-(
 
TheFrog

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theo said:
The Sydney competition pre-1982, was the highest reputation league in Australia if not the world so I don't see how.

The progression from that should have been a representative team for Sydney, selected from players in the Sydney competition, to play in the national competition.
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What national competition? In 1982 they brought in Illawarra and Canberra. There was no Broncos, Knights, Storm, Cowboys, Warriors or Gold Coast.

So what you are suggesting, it seems, is a three team comp with Illawarra, Canberra, and a third side made up of the best players from 12 Sydney clubs, while the pre-1982 comp continued.
 
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