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Manly Salary Cap

siv

First Grade
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That just doesn't wash mate.

It has come out in the past that the way clubs operate is they tell a player they are offering say, $500k per year, player agrees, agent agress and the contract comes back for 400k with a 100k TPA.

Right off the player knows there is a problem. TPA's are not meant to be arranged by clubs and are supposed to be completely at arms length. Apparently introductions are ok but thats it. In the above scenario the player should be fully aware this is not at arms length. The TPA is a direct payment to play for the club, which breaches the TPA rules.

You comment about the player believing the CEO etc would not need to exist if player signed stat dec stating this is the money I am being paid to play for the club. The player agent and CEO signs it also, as well as head of football. Any TPA hidden from the NRL and later discovered throw the book at all of them. They can no longer plead ignorance.

I believe in the past players have signed two contract, one for the NRL and one ensuring TPA payments.

TPA's are meant to have nothing to do with the club and are a way for players to make money outside of their club capitalising on their profile as a pro footy player. Clearly clubs are rorting them left right and centre, and any player given a TPA by the club that their agent or themselves knew nothing about should be ringing alarm bells.

Your never going to bring TPA's under any sort of control until players are accountable for their payments. If they were, you would see players ensuring they are in the clear, you would see players refusing TPA's provided by clubs and come contract renewal time would see players considering their options around how much money in their deal is straight up, and not TPA dependant.

The NRL can easily clear up any doubt about exemptions being granted etc by releasing a media statement around each of these decisions. Make it public, stop hiding all the the back room decisions. Clarity is the key.

First problem is that you think players are smart

Most of them still have a 15 year old mentality. They pay their player manager to deal with that sort of stuff like their mum and dad used to do
 
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siv

First Grade
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Players don't need to know what everyone is being paid or if the club is in the salary cap amount. They do need to be signing off on what they are getting paid, what TPA are in place, which part of the cap these TPA sit in. Storm cheating was in having non declared contracts, players MUST have known signing two contracts was iffy. Eels and Manly was in TPA not being legit, again player MUST have known this or at the very least of they were at risk of being punished would have double and triple checked they were legit.

The 3pa was not legit when it was not disclosed by the club to the NRL

What the NRL could do is request a confirmation stat dec on what the club just declared to NRL

If the player signs that stat dec - then and only then can you fine or ban players if the NRL finds out about non declared payments

I would also have a 3pa company register using ABN numbers

Same stat dec could be with the 3pa company

A 3pa company could then be de registered from being a 3pa provider if it breaches this stat dec

That 3pa stat dec could also be written to include family or girlfriend payments/gifts
 
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Sphagnum

Coach
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The people left in charge of shit in this country are fkn incompetent.

Government, CA, the NRL etc.

Useless.
 

Knight76

Juniors
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First problem is that you think players are smart

Most of them still have a 15 year old mentality. They pay their player manager to deal with that sort of stuff like their mum and dad used to do

Nah thats crap. THe old I leave that up to my managers is rubbish. You think the manager completely negotiates the contract for the player without any input from the player? And then just goes sign here your playing for Manly?

Nah, the players know exactly what each club is offering inclusive of TPA and their total remuneration. From there, they put their heads in the sand about the legallities as it's not their problem and won't come back to bite them.

The NRL needs to make it come back and bite them, then you will see players ensuring their deals are completely legit and declared to the NRL correctly. You will see players shunning TPA's completely and insisting on their payments being 100% cap money, let the small fish fight over TPA's.
 

Saxon

Bench
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The people left in charge of shit in this country are fkn incompetent.

Government, CA, the NRL etc.

Useless.
Sad but true.

The perceived ineptitude of all three reminds me of the old joke;
Q. How do you know the CIA didn't assassinate President Kennedy?
A. He's dead isn't he?
 

Perth Red

Post Whore
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65,759
What happens if Manly take this to court ?

They'd lose and it would cost them even more money that they dont have. And put a big target on themselves for when the inevitable financial strife hits them and the NRL tell them to jump instead of bailing them out.
 

Chimp

Juniors
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2,497
Should have got Slater to defend them....

'We told that company that it is physically possible that they 'could' pay that player a sponsorship, but we told them not to, then they did anyway, and we didn't know'

'Ok Billy.... no case to answer....'
 

firechild

First Grade
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7,730
They'd lose and it would cost them even more money that they dont have. And put a big target on themselves for when the inevitable financial strife hits them and the NRL tell them to jump instead of bailing them out.
Geez you're a miserable prick.
The owners of the club have a pile of money that they won't hesitate to use to keep control of the club. Manly isn't going anywhere despite what you want.
 

theo

Juniors
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92
Financial caps as I understand were implemented to stop clubs from overspending and getting into
trouble and to stop the hoarding of epic class players at clubs with open chequebooks, therefore
setting the scene for an even distribution of players throughout the league.

Becoming an Australian citizen is simple compared to the complexities that clubs face for salary cap and third-party agreement compliance and all the sports fans perception of certain clubs cheating.

I would replace the salary cap with a status rule being, having three or more than three representative players means the club can't buy more representative players from outside the club but can have an unlimited supply if they have been developed at the club.

The rule is black and white and doesn't require an accounts department.
 
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