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Mascord: Rugby league, your image stinks, fix it.

firechild

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The top players do though. DCE, Johnson, Smith, Cronk, Hayne etc all have almost perfect off field performance. Clarke, Kallis etc in cricket aren't the one's matchfixing.

The majority Carney aside are fringe FGers so even the massive paycheck excuse isn't there. They are just dickheads you see them every weekend at the pub. Hopefully they just become less and less frequent in the future

Myles, Fergo, Dugan, Lui and Packer are hardly fringe first graders.
 

Danish

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My mate works FIFO on big $'s. They have a zero alcohol and drugs policy in system during work time, get tested before shifts, get caught and your sacked. Its not like other industries don't have a set of expectations on employee behaviour. End of day NRL has to decide what is more important, the games reputation and brand or players being given second, third and fourth chances in the hope these young guys come good at some stage in their lives.


The NRL doesn't have an infinite queues of equally talented people lining up to take the places of those that get sacked like mining companies do, so thats a pretty pointless comparison.

Players with Carney's talents don't grow on trees so when your skillset is that rare of course people will be more willing to give you another chance (which is why movie stars and musicians get a completely free pass when it comes to acting up as replacing them is even more difficult)
 

Surrogate

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People need to be realistic. Players are a small sample of society. Society is not perfect and so we shouldn't be surprised if these incidents occur occasionally. I am grately that we have freedom of the press but they shouldn't be made out to be the beacon of community standards.
 

big hit!

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I Reckon it's a pretty good article by Mascord and he writes from the heart but there's a couple of things in his argument that I think we can't do much about, and I quote;

"On the other is a governing body run by a former corporate banker trying to figure out why twice as many Australian women say they have been to an AFL game as to a rugby league match, and why rugby union still gets blue-chip sponsors despite all other indicators of its health indicating imminent cardiac arrest."

1. Getting more women into league - I can only comment on personal experience but all the women I know who prefer the AFL over league reckon it has a better perv value and nothing else. None and I mean none of them can tell you the finer attributes of the game. Obviously different requirements of the sports mean that AFL players have a leaner physique and the girls like the kit they wear. Does any woman want to see George Rose in AFL gear?

The AFL appears to have a broader cross section of people who bring the game into the living room. Most of them sound professional and this itself is a big determinant of the image of the sport. This is probably a factor of the game being a game for all of their region, not just a certain socio-economic part of it, like league and union is up here in NSW and QLD.

In contrast, most rugby league presenters sound and project a particular working class, tradie, blokey delivery as if they're watching and discussing the game amongst themselves at the pub or on the worksite. Hadley, Gould, ex-players, etc. Lazy pronunciations or a distinct working class twang. If you're not part of this cross-section of society, you're less likely to get involved. More so if you're a woman.

2. Rugby's corporate support. I work in the marketing industry and I'm one of a handful of people that didn't get a private school education which makes holding a rugby league conversation at the water cooler a lonely task. I've seen clients throw away tons of money sponsoring golf events even when I show them the rating figures that illustrate that nobody's watching the damn thing. Rugby benefits the same way in spite of sh1t ratings. Sponsorship is the indulging of one's passion with somebody else's money and rugby's their game.
So all the public school educated boffins are working at gambling agencies, alcohol companies, etc? the game's heartland is in the western suburbs of sydney. lower home values, lower average wages and salaries, etc. guys who prefer bundy, JB and vb to a glass of red or a craft beer.

sponsors will put money into something where they can get their name and business to their target market, not necessarily into something that can be seen by more eyeballs but with little business conversion from it. that's why the guys who run KPMG or computer associates will invest in rugby. because the folks who are most likely to use them watch rugby. likewise, the folks who are most likely to drink jim beam and coke or VB watch rugby league.

Certainly, our game doesn't help itself with its off field notoriety but the working man's game is more likely to come off second best when the corporate class hold the purse strings.

keep pushing this definition of rugby league, and a broader range of businesses will never get involved.
 
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big hit!

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but with regard to off-field crap, the issue isn't just with players alone. a lot of these guys go straight from school into the cocoon of a club where even the veterans and coaches haven't had much exposure to 'real' life outside of it.

Yeah, the NRL talks about education and community programs, but this is all just BS box ticking to appear to be being proactive. what's required is leadership at clubs. many of them aren't like a standard business. 99.9% of time between 8am and 3pm, players are amongst themselves, trainers and coaches - the majority are men - and it's where attitudes and behaviours are nurtured or perpetuated. Allow these to take a certain course and fester, then the club and the game bear the consequences down the track.

It takes a certain type of leadership to move away from the blokey 1980's cultures at many clubs. Enter Laurie Daley who has done a marvellous job with the state team. He recognised problems that were not on the field, but off it, and he had the courage to follow through on a culture change.

The sports science side of it has come into the new millennium in the NRL, but attitudes and behaviours at many clubs largely appear to have not.
 

RHCP

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My mate works FIFO on big $'s. They have a zero alcohol and drugs policy in system during work time, get tested before shifts, get caught and your sacked. Its not like other industries don't have a set of expectations on employee behaviour.End of day NRL has to decide what is more important, the games reputation and brand or players being given second, third and fourth chances in the hope these young guys come good at some stage in their lives.
They're people too, y'know. They're more than just representatives of a brand. Everybody deserves a second chance and that's far more important than the reputation of a ball game.

But I'm sure you've never made a mistake in your life.
 

Heritage XIII

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Now Mascord is gloating on FB with a post saying carney's incident has made the US. In the comments from his merry band of followers are all sorts of funnies (not) with Mascord commenting "he's starting his own band the Widdles". Such a funny guy Mascord but for a professional journalist, I'm amazed one of his employers Sydney Morning Herald would be pleased he is gloating, baiting, & trivialising such a situation. No matter how idiotic Carney's behaviour was, he must be in a very fragile state. Yes, his own doing, but the human in me says enough. Time for him to go away and get well etc

Sorry, but Mascord, whom I used to enjoy reading about his international travels for RL, has lost my respect, and appears to have joined the likes of Rothfield, Wilson, Kent etc. Sounds like he is needs to be this way as a means of keeping employed = trashing NRL
 

BunniesMan

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All the idiots who think the media is anti NRL and pro AFL, can you tell me why this same media that is orchestrating this war on the game never made a big deal of the Auva'a situation?
 

gUt

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All the idiots who think the media is anti NRL and pro AFL, can you tell me why this same media that is orchestrating this war on the game never made a big deal of the Auva'a situation?

I think the case of biased reporting in the media has been pretty well stated with heaps of examples given. For you to blunder into a proper conversation about what ails our code calling everyone else idiots - this is YOU remember - is more evidence we're on the right track.
 

Surrogate

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The irony is that the media is partly responsible for creating this image.
They have artistic licence and 9 times out of ten will choose to be sensationlist to generate advertising revenue.
 

Canard

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Now Mascord is gloating on FB with a post saying carney's incident has made the US. In the comments from his merry band of followers are all sorts of funnies (not) with Mascord commenting "he's starting his own band the Widdles". Such a funny guy Mascord but for a professional journalist, I'm amazed one of his employers Sydney Morning Herald would be pleased he is gloating, baiting, & trivialising such a situation. No matter how idiotic Carney's behaviour was, he must be in a very fragile state. Yes, his own doing, but the human in me says enough. Time for him to go away and get well etc

Sorry, but Mascord, whom I used to enjoy reading about his international travels for RL, has lost my respect, and appears to have joined the likes of Rothfield, Wilson, Kent etc. Sounds like he is needs to be this way as a means of keeping employed = trashing NRL

I think this post is a bit hysterical.

However, Buzz came on the Melbourne radio station 3AW tonight, and it was just one big segment about the Carney issue and how NRL had a bad week. Then they played a sounbite by someone, Gallop I think, saying that he tried to change the game but it's full of yobbos and meatheads.

No mention of North Melbourne continuing to publicly support an accused rapist at all!

f**k the AFL!
 

elbusto

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Whether we like it or not we have a serious image problem. It won't be fixed by blaming everybody else. We have to fix this and fix it pretty quickly.

Mascord has thrown it right out there as he has obviously had enough.

That might piss a lot of you off but in the 21st century having blokes like Andrew Johns claiming Carney's punishment is too harsh reflects the culture of our game and its inherent problems.

If other codes are getting an easier ride than us with the media, rather than whinge about it, we should be trying to find out how we can make our game better on and off the field.

The rest will follow.
 

Flapper

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All the idiots who think the media is anti NRL and pro AFL, can you tell me why this same media that is orchestrating this war on the game never made a big deal of the Auva'a situation?

The Majak Daw incident had a few inches on page 15 in the Tele today. They seem to think AFL important enough to put back or inside back with feelgood Swans pieces. The evidence is blindingly obvious but you choose to ignore it. Because you're an AFL fan. And a troll.

But I won't let your idiocy derail the good topic too much. We as a code should stop providing the ammunition, but to say the media isnt clearly running the narrative in the AFL's favour is either wilfully ignorant, incredibly stupid, or blatant trolling.
 
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Surrogate

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Whether we like it or not we have a serious image problem. It won't be fixed by blaming everybody else. We have to fix this and fix it pretty quickly.

Mascord has thrown it right out there as he has obviously had enough.

That might piss a lot of you off but in the 21st century having blokes like Andrew Johns claiming Carney's punishment is too harsh reflects the culture of our game and its inherent problems.

If other codes are getting an easier ride than us with the media, rather than whinge about it, we should be trying to find out how we can make our game better on and off the field.

The rest will follow.

I don't think the game has a poor image at all. Its just a bad week and all will be forgotten in another week.
 

elbusto

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I don't think the game has a poor image at all. Its just a bad week and all will be forgotten in another week.

Good. Well all is hunky dory then and we can all stop whinging about what a raw deal we get with the media.

Problem solved.

Continue as before folks!
 

Surrogate

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Good. Well all is hunky dory then and we can all stop whinging about what a raw deal we get with the media.

Problem solved.

Continue as before folks!

Correct, the media are sensationalist by nature. The public are not gullible and know what quality journalism is. How can the game have a bad image if only 1% of players are trouble makers?

Players do good work with their local communities, it hasn't been forgotten,
 

elbusto

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Correct, the media are sensationalist by nature. The public are not gullible and know what quality journalism is. How can the game have a bad image if only 1% of players are trouble makers?

Players do good work with their local communities, it hasn't been forgotten,

Totes agree bro. All is good in the chook yard. :crazy:
 

Surrogate

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Totes agree bro. All is good in the chook yard. :crazy:

I'm realistic, shit happens, but it gets sorted out at the end of the day. Some of you sanctimonious lot overreact to some outrageous journalism, think that the code is in crisis and call for a royal commission. Some of he issues are societal issues and it would be ridiculous to think the NRL can change players to make them behave like Mary McKillop.
 

Parra

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AFL doesn't help sell papers in NSW & QLD.

NRL doesn't help sell them in Vic, SA or WA.

NSW is as big as these other markets combined.

It is simple stuff.
 

hutch

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The Majak Daw incident had a few inches on page 15 in the Tele today. They seem to think AFL important enough to put back or inside back with feelgood Swans pieces. The evidence is blindingly obvious but you choose to ignore it. Because you're an AFL fan. And a troll.

But I won't let your idiocy derail the good topic too much. We as a code should stop providing the ammunition, but to say the media isnt clearly running the narrative in the AFL's favour is either wilfully ignorant, incredibly stupid, or blatant trolling.

Sums it up perfectly!
 
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