Mateo Backs Out of Deal

[Daneel]

Mateo is a Parraboy, should be signed for life

Id have to say i agree with fish on this one, happy to keep him for the right coin and he does have an x factor about him if he chooses to put in. However the man love for mateo from certain posters on here is a little to much to handle.

Another thing i will say about mateo is his problem with coughing up the ball trying offloads comes from when he decides he is going to do it before he even reaches the defensive line. IF he puts his head down bum up and waits to he pokes his head through the defensive line before thinking of the offload he will have a whole lot more success.

 

[Bazal]

Mateo is playing reasonably well but being used by Anderson in a way thst puts me in mind of a man using a laptop compute to hammer in a nail.

He is the subject of some very very unfair statements by some of the most hysterical and ignorant posters on this forum.

Him staying would be a brilliant start. Him being used properly would just about be the missing piece in the jigsaw.

And if we happened to pick up cronk ot a halfback with a kicking game would be the ideal complement at 6.

I don't see many hysterical or unfair statements regarding Mateo tbh. The fact is everyone recognises that the guy is an awesome talent...but that he's an awesome talent who, mentally, isn't giving everything he can. Mateo should be spoken about in the same breath as Hayne, hell he could probably even be a better and more pivotal player for us and in 2007 he was. But he just doesn't look like he applies himself to the task at hand all the time. Lets face it, he's been known to put in downright disgusting performances and/or go completely missing on the field. I'd be stoked if he backed out on the deal, but he HAS to start showing up mentally for games or he'll be remembered much like Tim Smith or SBW or even Inu; talented as anyone who's played the game but mentally too weak to go anywhere with it.

 

[big boppa eel]

it means I don't believe it for a second...

did it come from a caller or was it Hadley and his merry men??

Not sure" for memory it was a Parra forumite who posted on NZ forum , but no one in particular was mentioned fro m 2UE.

 

[big boppa eel]

Personally i would like to keep him and have him and DA work out chinks in his game, most people here are bagging him and can c why but lets face it he is our only x factor which doesnt say a great deal for the rest of them.

 

[TheRam]

If Mateo played and carried the ball a lot more like Luke Lewis he would be the player he was always meant to be but probably never will.

 

[Daneel]

Personally i would like to keep him and have him and DA work out chinks in his game, most people here are bagging him and can c why but lets face it he is our only x factor which doesnt say a great deal for the rest of them.

Hayne doesn't count? Maybe even Fui to a lessor extent?

 

[Johns Magic]

or he'll be remembered much like Tim Smith or SBW or even Inu; talented as anyone who's played the game but mentally too weak to go anywhere with it.

SBW?

Did you actually watch him play?

 

[big boppa eel]

Hayne doesn't count? Maybe even Fui to a lessor extent?

Hayne does count, but teams have worked him out to an extent but yes a big oversite on my part but still think Mateo is more unpredictable which i c the irony in this comment as this is an issue at times, Fui is not an x factor and fairly predictable, damaging but predictable.

 

[Bazal]

Personally i would like to keep him and have him and DA work out chinks in his game, most people here are bagging him and can c why but lets face it he is our only x factor which doesnt say a great deal for the rest of them.

See, this is what I don't get. Why do you need an "x factor"? And for that matter, what is it? I understand an X factor as a player who can pull something out of nowhere to win you a game, but maybe isn't the most reliable or consistent of players and who can often be a detriment when the going gets tough. By that definition, I'd challenge your statement and say that we actually have TOO MANY x factors. Hayne (although more consistent), Mateo, KK, Mortimer, even Fui to an extent. We don't need more x factor, we need more "steady reliable factor." Especially in the halves.

 

[Bazal]

SBW?

Did you actually watch him play?

I did, fantastically talented player. I also watched him walk out on the game because he was mentally weak and suggestable and got advice from some of the worst people he could probably look to for it...which was more the point being made.

 

[big boppa eel]

See, this is what I don't get. Why do you need an "x factor"? And for that matter, what is it? I understand an X factor as a player who can pull something out of nowhere to win you a game, but maybe isn't the most reliable or consistent of players and who can often be a detriment when the going gets tough. By that definition, I'd challenge your statement and say that we actually have TOO MANY x factors. Hayne (although more consistent), Mateo, KK, Mortimer, even Fui to an extent. We don't need more x factor, we need more "steady reliable factor." Especially in the halves.

How about a "Game Breaker" I dont know do we have a stand out game breaker? other than Hayne who is a marked man these days.

 

[Daneel]

Hayne does count, but teams have worked him out to an extent but yes a big oversite on my part but still think Mateo is more unpredictable which i c the irony in this comment as this is an issue at times, Fui is not an x factor and fairly predictable, damaging but predictable.

The only irony i see is that our only player according to you with x factor hasn't done much all year.

 

[parra pete]

I don't see many hysterical or unfair statements regarding Mateo tbh. The fact is everyone recognises that the guy is an awesome talent...but that he's an awesome talent who, mentally, isn't giving everything he can. Mateo should be spoken about in the same breath as Hayne, hell he could probably even be a better and more pivotal player for us and in 2007 he was. But he just doesn't look like he applies himself to the task at hand all the time. Lets face it, he's been known to put in downright disgusting performances and/or go completely missing on the field. I'd be stoked if he backed out on the deal, but he HAS to start showing up mentally for games or he'll be remembered much like Tim Smith or SBW or even Inu; talented as anyone who's played the game but mentally too weak to go anywhere with it.

Well said Bazal..

 

[fish eel]

See, this is what I don't get. Why do you need an "x factor"? And for that matter, what is it? I understand an X factor as a player who can pull something out of nowhere to win you a game, but maybe isn't the most reliable or consistent of players and who can often be a detriment when the going gets tough. By that definition, I'd challenge your statement and say that we actually have TOO MANY x factors. Hayne (although more consistent), Mateo, KK, Mortimer, even Fui to an extent. We don't need more x factor, we need more "steady reliable factor." Especially in the halves.

KK and Mortimer - ' X-Factor'????
:?

I see an 'x-factor' as someone who can create something ad lib out of nothing.

Dont see any of that in those to blokes, TBH

 

[Djay]

If this is true this would be brilliant. He is a rare type of forward and when he gets the ball in his hands can do abnormal stuff, sure he loses it a bit but when he pulls off some miraculous passes like he does it usually puts us in a great try scoring opprtunity.

I really hope its true as he is a junior and a really big talent. I know many would disagree but I really rate him.

 

[Bazal]

How about a "Game Breaker" I dont know do we have a stand out game breaker? other than Hayne who is a marked man these days.

We have a couple....the problem is there's no-one steering them around. You can have as many game breakers as you like but without someone to tell them where to go and what to do for the rest of the game, they're just headless chooks. Rather like our attack thus far this year.

 

[big boppa eel]

The only irony i see is that our only player according to you with x factor hasn't done much all year.

So there is no way his game could be refined in anyway?, Im amazed at the outcry when he "signed" with the Warriors and now everyone is bagging him for possibly staying and probably for lesser money, we have persevered with several nuffys over the years but we cant support a local junior, personally i dont think DA is one who will persist with Mateo, is Mateo precious and lazy at times? yes but still worthwhile helping him get his sh*t together if he wants to stay.

 

[Bazal]

KK and Mortimer - ' X-Factor'????
:?

I see an 'x-factor' as someone who can create something ad lib out of nothing.

Dont see any of that in those to blokes, TBH

Mortimer especially did it plenty last year, as did KK in his time before injury 08/09

 

[Daneel]

We have a couple....the problem is there's no-one steering them around. You can have as many game breakers as you like but without someone to tell them where to go and what to do for the rest of the game, they're just headless chooks. Rather like our attack thus far this year.

This is a good point bazal, we do have players with the ability to pull something out of nothing. However this is not our problem, our problem comes back to key positions ie. 1, 6, 7 and 9. We have the 1 covered no doubt, but are missing something in the other 3 spots. Not a lot mind you just enough to put us slightly off kilter.

This might not go down well but Luke Burt is another one who on occaisons makes something out of nothing, like that try he scored down the blind side against the bulldogs.

 

[fish eel]

Mortimer especially did it plenty last year, as did KK in his time before injury 08/09

Mortimer did it on the back of work of others when we were on a roll.

I'm thinking more in a tight contest, when not much is on.

I honestly don't think Keating and Mortimer at this stage of the careers can deliver a big play out of nothing.