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Matthew Johns sex scandal in 2002

t1tan

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So media bias and alledged cover ups of other codes unsavoury incidents makes NRL incidents void?
 

butchmcdick

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You would think so, but then why include Rugby League and Matthew Johns in an article discussing a study into the attitudes of afl players?

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25452035-5005941,00.html

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Gone bad ... Matthew Johns apologised on TV to his family after the re-emergence of claims he was involved in group sex

You mean throwing some back.


Hey I agree, the Matt Johns thing has nothing to do with the crux of the article and if Four Corners do anything like that then feel free to let rip. It looks like the journo involved had tried to link two completly seperate events together. Very poor journalism.

Before we lump the ABC and Four Corners together with Rodney Chester and The Courier Mail lets see what they have to say tonight first. It looks like a few here are getting their retaliation in first
 

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Well seeing as the show is about NRL players it would seem a bit odd to include an AFL player wouldn't it..

it didn't seem odd for your beloved ABC to mention Rugby League in a story about AFL

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2004/s1142725.htm

Fair Game?

Reporter: Ticky Fullerton

Broadcast: 03/05/2004

Allegations of sexual violence have engulfed some of Australia’s top AFL footballers and their clubs.

In the wake of the decision by police not to press charges against Canterbury Bulldogs rugby league players, Four Corners turns the spotlight on alleged rape and sexual assault involving players from three AFL clubs: Brisbane, Sydney and Port Adelaide.

Neither of the two cases investigated by reporter Ticky Fullerton made it to court.

In one case, a woman at the centre of allegations relating to an end-of-season players’ trip speaks publicly for the first time about her alleged rape.

In the second case, Four Corners reveals new information about an alleged assault and how it was followed up.

Ticky Fullerton investigates the circumstances surrounding the claimed assaults on these women and traces how the players’ clubs fought doggedly and successfully to limit the fallout.

now one would assume that it was supposed to be about AFL. seeing it says " Four Corners turns the spotlight on alleged rape and sexual assault involving players from three AFL clubs: Brisbane, Sydney and Port Adelaide."

however if you read the transcript what do we find??

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2004/s1100551.htm

What really happened at Coffs Harbour in the early hours of Sunday morning 22 February this year may never be known. The woman's story begins at this nightclub where she met with players. She then went back to the resort hotel where the Bulldogs were staying. Some time after 5am she claims to have been near the pool with footballers. It's not clear whether she had consensual sex with one or more of the players but her statement, leaked on radio, told of a night that went sickeningly out of control.

RAY HADLEY, RADIO 2GB: Initial information to police was that the victim alleged coming to the resort from the Plantation Hotel with a Canterbury rugby league player. She has then disclosed that at least six of them sexually assaulted her without her consent, by anal, oral and vaginal penetration. Injuries - grazing, bruising, trauma.

TICKY FULLERTON: At around 7am, the woman, in her early 20s, was found by hotel staff, wet and disoriented, wandering around the resort car park. Shortly afterwards, she was taken by ambulance to hospital and later made a statement to police. What follows is a familiar pattern, leading to the case being dropped. After 10 weeks of tense media speculation police announced that no charges would be laid against any Bulldogs players. But the rugby club's handling of gang rape allegations has brought criticism from the League.

If you were in management at the Bulldogs would you have handled the allegations of rape differently?

DAVID GALLOP, NRL CHIEF EXECUTIVE: Yes, um, I don't think their initial reaction was appropriate. I think they were rather naive, uh, in the way they handled it in the early days.

TICKY FULLERTON: Naive, or do you think this was about club protection of the brand?

DAVID GALLOP: Possibly that was...that was part of it. And you're dealing with people who have strong passion for their club.

TICKY FULLERTON: Once the woman left for hospital it's understood that detectives talked to four players who knew her. But it was the club's football manager, Garry Hughes, and not the police, who selected these players. Neither the police nor the club detained any footballers in Coffs and the team flew home to Sydney that Sunday afternoon. It's also believed that a full statement from the woman was not taken until two days later.

That same Tuesday, after training in Sydney, Bulldogs players and club management met behind closed doors to discuss just what had gone on at Coffs. It became known as the 'truth meeting'.

JAQUELIN MAGNAY, 'SYDNEY MORNING HERALD': They'd had a morning training session and then they decided to have a meeting after training whereby the players in the room, uh, were gathered together and they stood up and one by one gave their account of what they wanted the other players to know, what had happened that night. So it was a so-called 'truth' meeting. The players were supposed to be open and honest and reveal what had gone on. But it was also a very convenient way of the players to ensure that everybody else knew what their story was and that this was their version of the truth as to what happened on that...that Sunday morning.

TICKY FULLERTON: So it was a way of everybody getting their stories straight before talking to the police, in your view?

JAQUELIN MAGNAY: Oh, totally. I mean, it was just a way of the club dealing with something that was very ugly. And it was a way for the players to make sure that everybody knew what their version of events was.

MALCOLM NOAD, BULLDOGS CHIEF EXECUTIVE: It wasn't a sort of closed-door meeting to orchestrate, uh, evidence and...and statements at...at all. I'm convinced of that.

TICKY FULLERTON: Could you see why it could have been perceived as that?

MALCOLM NOAD: I can understand why it could have been perceived as that, yeah.

TICKY FULLERTON: The Sunday after the truth meeting there was a further muddying of the waters. A story in the 'Sun Herald' quoted unnamed Bulldogs players revealing: "Some of the boys love a bun. Gang banging is nothing new for our club or the rugby league." In the same story players claimed the woman had lured footballers into the pool and consented to sex with eight of them. The club quickly denied its players had ever spoken to the media. The League wasn't so sure.

DAVID GALLOP, NRL CHIEF EXECUTIVE: Well, I certainly understand that the players deny it but we have checked with not only the journalists involved but more senior, uh, people in...in the media organisations. Um, of course you would in some respects expect, um, that nobody's going to put their hand up to those comments. They are terribly damaging, not only to that club, but they cause damage to our game.

TICKY FULLERTON: True or not, the comments undermined the woman's allegations. By the time police finally got the players' version, it was a full 10 days after the alleged rape. Even then, their statements were described as 'scant'. Their dress spoke volumes. There was even a T-shirt with a slogan "We play dirty". To onlookers, this was typical of the club's siege mentality seen during the salary cap scandal two years earlier.

MALCOLM NOAD, BULLDOGS CHIEF EXECUTIVE: One of the great things about the football team - the Canterbury football team - is that they really bunker down under pressure.

TICKY FULLERTON: But is that 'bunkering down' when allegations come about activities off the field...?

MALCOLM NOAD: Well, I was going to go on to say that perhaps that culture on the football team um, extends to off field as well, and, um, you know, in some instances, that's not a bad thing. Uh, but in some, you need to open up.

TICKY FULLERTON: Opening up will be a challenge, according to one former club employee. She recalls a hatred of off-field publicity, epitomised by Garry Hughes, whose loyalty to the players is well documented.

DEBBIE SPILLANE, FORMER BULLDOGS MEDIA MANAGER: It was just no. "Media - they can look after themselves. Don't want a bar of it." And Garry Hughes's famous saying to me was, "If it comes to the media, tell them nothing and be careful how you say it."

TICKY FULLERTON: In his interview, new chief executive Malcolm Noad was careful not to prejudge the outcome of the investigation.

Whether charges are laid or dropped, there could well have been a rape at Coffs Harbour, couldn't there?

MALCOLM NOAD: Um, I don't want to comment on that.

TICKY FULLERTON: Shortly afterwards, Malcolm Noad made an extraordinary change in tactics. The club released the results of its own investigation before the police made any decision on charges. Malcolm Noad said, "It all points to the fact that there was certainly no rape. Neither was there even consensual sex. It simply didn't happen."

That was certainly not the message from the police last week when they finally announced no charges would be laid. When asked whether the woman had been sexually assaulted, D.I. Breton said...

(TELEVISION INTERVIEW PLAYS)

D.I. BRETON: There was evidence consistent with her version, as of the date of complaint.

MAN: Was there any evidence of rape physically?

D.I. BRETON: Yes.

MAN: There was evidence...physical evidence...?

D.I. BRETON: Well, it's always hard to talk about "evidence of rape" because when we...if... Rape's an offence. Um...sexual intercourse isn't. But the evidence could be the same.

TICKY FULLERTON: The Bulldogs claimed vindication. The question remains, how long does it take for a club culture to change? It may seem incredible, but last year, at the same hotel, another woman accused players of sexual assault and the club of cover-up.

JAQUELIN MAGNAY, 'SYDNEY MORNING HERALD': She'd just fled the room and ran into two Bulldogs' officials, and she was encouraged to sit down and write a page of complaint, and she was convinced that this complaint was going to be dealt with.

TICKY FULLERTON: Did you hear her allegations - that she had been pressured by the club not to go to the police?

DAVID GALLOP, NRL CHIEF EXECUTIVE: In recent times, yes. But not back then when that happened.

TICKY FULLERTON: Does that concern you?

DAVID GALLOP: It did concern us greatly, obviously.

TICKY FULLERTON: Even more concerning, Four Corners has learnt that there is one Bulldogs player who was involved in both the incidents at Coffs Harbour.

MALCOLM NOAD, BULLDOGS CHIEF EXECUTIVE: My understanding is that there isn't.

TICKY FULLERTON: If there turns out to be a player who was common to both incidents, would you take action against that player?

MALCOLM NOAD: Look, I think we need to look at what action we take across the board. Um...and there are a range of things that we can do which clearly I'm not in a position to be able to talk about now.

TICKY FULLERTON: Will you be going back to the same hotel as a club?

MALCOLM NOAD: I doubt it.

JANE'S COUSIN: It's not a culture that necessarily is full of integrity and I think, um, it's a culture that, by skill, places more value on the skill of the player, not necessarily their moral responsibility, and I don't think you can do that.

TICKY FULLERTON: What does it say about the clubs?

JANE'S COUSIN: That skill's more important.

SARAH'S BOYFRIEND: I think they've got a lot of explaining to do. I think that they know what goes on in these clubs, what their players get up to when they're not at training and not at the games.

TICKY FULLERTON: As the season continues, all eyes are on the game. What happens off the field is less scrutinised. Yet the fact remains that in the past 20 years not one of the cases of alleged rape in AFL and rugby league has led to successful prosecution.

care to explain this, Butch?

why was Rugby League mentioned in a show supposedly about AFL?
 

Pass the Ball

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If it makes you feel better, 4 corners will actually mention AFL in their report tonight also...

It is about the culture of football teams....
 

butchmcdick

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it didn't seem odd for your beloved ABC to mention Rugby League in a story about AFL

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2004/s1142725.htm



now one would assume that it was supposed to be about AFL. seeing it says " Four Corners turns the spotlight on alleged rape and sexual assault involving players from three AFL clubs: Brisbane, Sydney and Port Adelaide."

however if you read the transcript what do we find??

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2004/s1100551.htm



care to explain this, Butch?

why was Rugby League mentioned in a show supposedly about AFL?

I clicked on the link you provided and there is indeed a lot about AFL players. They also mention the Bulldogs in the introduction and mention two cases involving sexual assualt which I am theorising is the one involving the AFL guys and the Bulldogs.

You can't have it both ways El. You can't claim four corners to be trash when talking about NRL players yets furiously whack off over details of AFL players misconduct and use the programs transcripts as evidence of AFL players bad behavior. Which is it, is the program trash or not.

All of this is smoke and mirrors. Keep slinging the mud El. All of this has nothing to do with the events in NZ with the Sharks players.
 

t1tan

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Ok Diablo,quoting from the article you posted..

TICKY FULLERTON: As the season continues, all eyes are on the game. What happens off the field is less scrutinised. Yet the fact remains that in the past 20 years not one of the cases of alleged rape in AFL and rugby league has led to successful prosecution.
 

El Diablo

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I clicked on the link you provided and there is indeed a lot about AFL players. They also mention the Bulldogs in the introduction and mention two cases involving sexual assualt which I am theorising is the one involving the AFL guys and the Bulldogs.

they specifically say the show is about AFL. if you click on the link it even has an AFL pic

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In the wake of the decision by police not to press charges against Canterbury Bulldogs rugby league players, Four Corners turns the spotlight on alleged rape and sexual assault involving players from three AFL clubs: Brisbane, Sydney and Port Adelaide.

how have they turned the spotlight on AFL if they mention Rugby League??
 

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TBH I don't care whether it's AFL, NRL, Rugby Union, Soccer, Basketball, Cricket etc, etc, etc.

The higher the profile the more it's publicised. It doesnt matter what sport they play.

We are in a world of advanced technology.

Personally I am devastated that such a high profile identity of the sport has brought himself into disrepute. This is the shame of it all.

My 14 year old son looked up to this man. Probably still does. Loves his characters and only watches the Footy Show for specifically that. I know he said he can't say sorry enough but it's not enough. Not in a mothers eyes who has to try and explain why.

It kills me to say it but he should be rubbed out all together.
Examples need to be set for those who bring any sport into disrepute. The higher the profile the more so the damage then the higher the penalty for them.

In my opinion it's the only we can teach our younger generation. And then maybe we might start seeing less of these damaging headlines.
 

Pass the Ball

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Let me get this right...

We should all ignore this story because the "AFL" is "in the pockets" of all Australian media outlets and it is just a conspiracy against Rugby League...

Sounds just a little paranoid to me...
 

El Diablo

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Let me get this right...

We should all ignore this story because the "AFL" is "in the pockets" of all Australian media outlets and it is just a conspiracy against Rugby League...

Sounds just a little paranoid to me...

it should be ignored for singling out one code and letting the other off scott free

why has the ABC decided one is worse than the other when that couldn't be further from the truth
 

butchmcdick

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they specifically say the show is about AFL. if you click on the link it even has an AFL pic

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how have they turned the spotlight on AFL if they mention Rugby League??

Oh I don't know, perhaps bcause the show was about sexual assault by footballers ? Look none of this has anything to do with what happened in NZ in the Hotel room. If the program tonight mentions AFL players will that make you happy ?

Here is the last bit where it seems to me that the program clearly states that it is about the clubs covering up bad player behavior rather than AFL or NRL players. But look, feel free to keep slinging that mud that it is all a media conspiricy.

www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2004/s1142725.html


Ticky Fullerton investigates the circumstances surrounding the claimed assaults on these women and traces how the players’ clubs fought doggedly and successfully to limit the fallout.
 

t1tan

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TBH I don't care whether it's AFL, NRL, Rugby Union, Soccer, Basketball, Cricket etc, etc, etc.

The higher the profile the more it's publicised. It doesnt matter what sport they play.

We are in a world of advanced technology.

Personally I am devastated that such a high profile identity of the sport has brought himself into disrepute. This is the shame of it all.

My 14 year old son looked up to this man. Probably still does. Loves his characters and only watches the Footy Show for specifically that. I know he said he can't say sorry enough but it's not enough. Not in a mothers eyes who has to try and explain why.

It kills me to say it but he should be rubbed out all together.
Examples need to be set for those who bring any sport into disrepute. The higher the profile the more so the damage then the higher the penalty for them.

In my opinion it's the only we can teach our younger generation. And then maybe we might start seeing less of these damaging headlines.
Yeah,lets sack him from his job for an incident (as grubby as it was) that was committed 7 years ago.:sarcasm:
 

El Diablo

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blind to the truth, Butch

i'd wager they'd only mention AFL tonight if it was to try and say "why can't NRL players behave like the good boys of AFL"

the media double standards sicken me
 

butchmcdick

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it should be ignored for singling out one code and letting the other off scott free

why has the ABC decided one is worse than the other when that couldn't be further from the truth

Well not having seen the program nobody can say if it is bias or not or indeed if AFL players are mentioned in it.

How have the ABC decided anything ? All they are doing is investigating a story.
 

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it should be ignored for singling out one code and letting the other off scott free

why has the ABC decided one is worse than the other when that couldn't be further from the truth

Do you feel that there may be a culture that needs to be addressed in any, or all codes of football..???
 

El Diablo

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Well not having seen the program nobody can say if it is bias or not or indeed if AFL players are mentioned in it.

How have the ABC decided anything ? All they are doing is investigating a story.

how have they decided?

they've done a story specifically on Rugby League

the fact iit is solely on Rugby League and it's players means they have no dramas with any other code
 

butchmcdick

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how have they decided?

they've done a story specifically on Rugby League

the fact iit is solely on Rugby League and it's players means they have no dramas with any other code


bullsh*t. You have no evidence to back that up either. Nobody from the ABC or Four Corners has expressed the opinion that NRL players are better or worse behaved that anyone else. Pure fantasy.
 

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