Matty Johns and his sensationalist claims

[Brutus]

What about time when Matty Johns said Ben Czslowski was the next Arthur Beatson.

Josh Dugan would be a future NRL CEO...

 

[POPEYE]

Matty's first words on the new Sterlo show last week was to ask Alexander how long he had been on Fox and why he hadn't his own show . . . maybe he drinks lollywater on his roof also

 

[ellskimore]

I don't see how Thurston being better than Johns is an outlandish claim. It is very worthy of discussion.

 

[bellyache]

Does this guy genuinely believe the stuff he says or does he just do it for the attention?

My favourite line last year was "Josh Hoffman...i tell you what, he's the next superstar of the game". Over and over again, until he shut up about half way through the season. I wonder why

At least it was nice to know that i wasn't missing things when watching Hoffman. He was a plodder then and he remains a plodder now. Nice one, Johnsy.

But he's just topped that one by stating that he reckons Thurston will surpass his brother in a couple of years as the best halfback of all-time. :crazy:

Now don't get me wrong, JT is an amazing player and has been for almost a decade. He'll go down as perhaps the most dominant half in Origin history when judging his entire resume.

But better than Joey? Don't make me laugh. JT is amazing, but i'll never be able to describe to my grandkids just how good Joey was...they'll just have to watch the footage. He had an extra 25% to his game that JT or any other half ive ever seen just doesn't have.

It's not a slight on JT, or Alfie, or Cronk; it's just what made Joey an Immortal - a touch of genius that he was born with, similar to Messi or Jordan in their respective sports.

Sorry for ranting. Im just sick of every "expert" commentator and his dog telling me that everybody is the greatest ever these days. Have a bit of perspective, fellas. You'll still get your tv time!

joey is a champ!

 

[Red Bear]

The guy was a junkie who admitted to taking pills his whole career. He shouldn't have been included in the team of the century and the whole immortals concept is a complete joke because of his inclusion in it.

Because Carl Webb Says So!

 

[Fire]

I don't see how Thurston being better than Johns is an outlandish claim. It is very worthy of discussion.

In my opinion this isn't that an outlandish statement the more I think about it.

I have Joey as being better than JT, purely because he dominated, week in, week out, at club level. The merkin could win a game for Newy.

The flip side is Thurston has been better at Origin level, but has had a few quiet seasons in the past for the Cowboys.

The gap between them is not that large though.

 

[Tommy Smith]

The gap is large enough. JT has never come close to dominating at club level like Joey did...the Cowboys have missed the finals a few times. The Knights only ever missed the finals when Johns was injured. Otherwise they were a threat to win the comp every year. And finished top 4 fairly often. Have the Cowboys ever finished top 4?

But for 2005 when they made a late run to the GF ive never really considered the Cowboys a threat to win the comp. Even last year they were never a chance once they missed the top 4 and had to win 3 games on the road.

And nice to know when asked what JT does better, i get a list of games played for their respective states. He probably has more sets of headgear as well. Clearly i was referring to skills...

 

[Tommy Smith]

Well there you go, the Cowboys have made the top 4 once since 2005 when JT became a Cowboy. And they've missed the top 8 50% of the time. They have a 91-102 record during those years. He joined the Cowboys at 21.

In Johns 8 seasons at the Knights from the age of 21 onwards, the Knights missed the 8 once (a 9th placed finish in 1996). They made the top 4 on 5 occasions with a 118-67 record.

Oh and two Premierships to zero.

So that's both of them in their primes with, IMO, teams around them of similar quality.

So yeah, id say theres a big gap.

 

[Fire]

The gap is large enough. JT has never come close to dominating at club level like Joey did...the Cowboys have missed the finals a few times. The Knights only ever missed the finals when Johns was injured. Otherwise they were a threat to win the comp every year. And finished top 4 fairly often. Have the Cowboys ever finished top 4?

But for 2005 when they made a late run to the GF ive never really considered the Cowboys a threat to win the comp. Even last year they were never a chance once they missed the top 4 and had to win 3 games on the road.

And nice to know when asked what JT does better, i get a list of games played for their respective states. He probably has more sets of headgear as well. Clearly i was referring to skills...

You build a convincing argument Tommy.

 

[The Gambler]

In the last few years Matty has given off a pretty strong impression that he isn't a 'fan' of his brother. Constant heckling, down playing his chances of becoming an immortal, etc. It can be construed as jealousy, avoiding bias, brotherly love...I tend to think its a genuine dislike.

 

[Big Pete]

This thread is beginning to backfire a bit.

 

[bellyache]

Cowgirls pride of the league...:lol::lol:

 

[Tommy Smith]

And here, ladies and gentlemen, is the utterly dogshit article we were promised.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...-better-than-you/story-e6frexnr-1226597613956

You want to see dominance in a great halfback's prime when playing for a team that would miss the top 8 every year in his absence? Then just check the stats i posted above.

Neither JT or Joey played for an ultra dominant team filled with 13 rep players. And yet one dragged his team to the top 4 year after year with two Premierships and a fabulous winning %.

The other has taken his team to the finals only 50% of the time with a solitary GF appearance and a < 50% winning percentage.

So try again, Matthew.

One is great, and the other is a genius beyond compare. You seem to have them mixed up though!

 

[Charlie124]

The gap is large enough. JT has never come close to dominating at club level like Joey did...the Cowboys have missed the finals a few times. The Knights only ever missed the finals when Johns was injured. Otherwise they were a threat to win the comp every year. And finished top 4 fairly often. Have the Cowboys ever finished top 4?

But for 2005 when they made a late run to the GF ive never really considered the Cowboys a threat to win the comp. Even last year they were never a chance once they missed the top 4 and had to win 3 games on the road.

And nice to know when asked what JT does better, i get a list of games played for their respective states. He probably has more sets of headgear as well. Clearly i was referring to skills...

Ok, to simplify it further then, when its all said and done in 5 or so years and JT hangs up the boots, his rep career will be one that Goey could only ever dream of. Shit, he's already got him well covered and he's still got 5 years or more to go. So if his stellar rep career isn't enough for you to judge JT's claim to be better than Goey's less impressive and somewhat tainted career then I'm not sure why you'd bother with looking at lesser KPI's like specific skills. But lets do it anyway. JT has a better short kicking game and most definitely has a better dummy and go. His ability to play unstructured/ad lib footy and think on his feet is also something that Goey didn't have. Goey had vision, JT has instinct, which is more important? Hard to say.

 

[Loudstrat]

The guy was a junkie who admitted to taking pills his whole career. He shouldn't have been included in the team of the century and the whole immortals concept is a complete joke because of his inclusion in it.

Chook Raper walked naked through Leeds. Your point?

You're right, he did too

Ok so TS already mentioned goal kicking so ill add that Thurston has played (and won) more state of origin games, scoring almost 50 more points (and counting) and has never once been selected on the bench. His origin goal kicking record dwarfs Goeys too but we established that so I won't double dip. Admittedly, Goey has played 4 more matches for Australia but given that Thurston has at least 5 more years of footy ahead of him I'm confident he might manage to rein those in.

How'd I do?

Pathetic. Thurston has never won an Origin game - -his team did. Yes, he contributed well - all those series against worse teams. If you want to compare Origin two horse race three times a year to a 16 horse race 8 times over 4 weeks plus a month of finals..........

In my opinion this isn't that an outlandish statement the more I think about it.

I have Joey as being better than JT, purely because he dominated, week in, week out, at club level. The merkin could win a game for Newy.

The flip side is Thurston has been better at Origin level, but has had a few quiet seasons in the past for the Cowboys.

The gap between them is not that large though.

Joey was better at Origin level. Thurston has been great, but QLD would have won those games with Prince or Cronk in the 7.

 

[MacDougall]

That wasn't even the best part.

The best part was that Milton Thaiday is from Queensland.

Lismore. That's in Queensland!

 

[MacDougall]

I don't really see how you can separate them to be honest. They are both 100% flawless footballers with ball in hand and ball on foot. Maybe Joey edges him in D but that's about it really.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Thurston is a five eight....

 

[the kirwan kid]

Johns was good.

But this notion that he is waaaaaaay better than the great halfbacks of the modern era i.e Sterlo, Langer, Stuart, Thurston has gotten out of hand.

I agree! Was a very very good player - who like Wally Lewis could control a game & pull off a decent hit - but I don't think he was much better than the names listed below. Plus they are all very different types of halfbacks.

 

[Charlie124]

Outrageous!