McKay slams Knights over stadium rent

[keeney]

I just find it difficult to have a great deal of sympathy for the Knights situation, because I keep going back to 4, 5 , hell 10 years ago... The poor management that has put the Knights in this situation to begin with.

Do I have concern? 100% absolutely, its awful what's happening.

Do I have sympathy? No, not really at all.

And that's the crux of all the problems happening right now isn't it? The Knights flawed business model for many years that has led to the financial issues that let HV come up with ' insolvency ' as the only option.

Privatisation is the answer to everything in the end.

And there, lies the crux of your problem. We all know about the ineptitude of the past, and if we didn't your flogging of the issue over the last 12 months would certainly have informed us.

The current administration, who are a fair sight better than those of the past (though not perfect) are making the right call to rectify a problem. What does that have to do with the past? Nothing at all. Stop tying things down and view them as individual events, because your persistent bitching is a massive bore.

 

[Karmawave]

Stop tying things down and view them as individual events, because your persistent bitching is a massive bore.

Yes, that's what they say about Ray Hadley too, but it's a RATINGS WINNER ;-)


It's GOOD for the RATINGS! :lol:

 

[Dummy Spit Johns]

Yes definitely.

But then again, the failure of members and the Knights management to be proactive and explore the privatisation well before now may ultimately lead to this occurring.

We're to blame too.

They could have been privatised ages ago.

Wasn't part of Super League all about privatisation of clubs that Newcastle voted against?
Now that seems a little two faced doesn't it?

 

[cram]

Karma please clarify this for me. You have no sympathy for the Knights. Is that the management?

Also don't compare your self to Ray Hadley that type of scenario will see you labeled with a narcissistic personality disorder ;-)

 

[Karmawave]

Karma please clarify this for me. You have no sympathy for the Knights. Is that the management?

Not so much the current management, although I am unconvinced about Steve Burraston.

He has said some amazing things during his reign.

I don't really have sympathy for the Knights current situation because as I've already said, I feel they forced it on themselves by terrible management for years.

I do have sympathy for the people who have to come in and fix up a flawed business model that was messed up by predecessors.

Unfortunately , in my opinion, the current management/admin have not done enough to fix up the flawed business model, and that would be highlighted by the continual overbudgeting of what average crowds are needed just to ' break even '.

It is difficult to have sympathy right now when you've spent money as a fan over the years supporting this club only to find it $3M in debt and crying out as the ' poor Knights ' who are being picked on by Hunter Venues, and always looking elsewhere to blame.

 

[cram]

Not so much the current management, although I am unconvinced about Steve Burraston.

He has said some amazing things during his reign.

I don't really have sympathy for the Knights current situation because as I've already said, I feel they forced it on themselves by terrible management for years.

I do have sympathy for the people who have to come in and fix up a flawed business model that was messed up by predecessors.

Unfortunately , in my opinion, the current management/admin have not done enough to fix up the flawed business model, and that would be highlighted by the continual overbudgeting of what average crowds are needed just to ' break even '.

It is difficult to have sympathy right now when you've spent money as a fan over the years supporting this club only to find it $3M in debt and crying out as the ' poor Knights ' who are being picked on by Hunter Venues, and always looking elsewhere to blame.

Well I hope for you sake the Knights stay around because your life will be meaningless without having them around to grandstand about....suppose you could always move onto the Jets or I am sure someone at Parra would not mind you death riding Fitzy for a while.....:lol:

 

[Karmawave]

Oh I'd excel at being a Penrith or Parra fan. :lol:

Then again, judging ourselves against teams who ' NOT ' to be, isn't the solution to our problems either.

The days we start saying ' well at least we aren't as bad as... ' , is the day we might as well give it away.

 

[keeney]

I do have sympathy for the people who have to come in and fix up a flawed business model that was messed up by predecessors.

But these are the people who you aren't extending sympathy to in the current situation with HV. That was the point I was making.

 

[Alex28]

Hunter Venues are doing what they need to do to suit their agenda - no doubt the management of Hunter Venues have revenue targets to achieve and what would be easier than to take the revenue of an existing business and make it their own. Ignore that without the key tenants are the ones that will generate the revenue they want to obtain - if they go in hard enough they'll win and the tenants will fall in to the fold.

What they seem to not consider is that while ever the Knights continue to pay rent on the stadium and not get any revenue from the stadium THERE WONT BE A TENANT TO RENT TO!

It is in Hunter Venues absolute best interest that there is a Newcastle Knights to continue to rent the stadium - without them they have no income during winter and a soccer team who doesn't pay rent during summer. Quite the asset there.

As far as the Knights go, it doesn't matter when the rent is due from. I don't care if it is from 1998 or 2008. They need to withhold the rent until they get a clear agreement from both sides that they are getting compensation and it is X amount. Until then, don't pay. If they do they lose any bargaining power they have.

And finally...Jodi McKay needs to realise that the people of Newcastle have 2 community assets at play here - the stadium and the Knights. She needs to stop being so anti-Knights and work out a resolution that suits both, not just what suits the government.

 

[antonius]

It's not the same game, HV broke an agreement to keep this whole thing confidential while negotiations were being carried out. For the most part, it looked like this was always intended to be finished amicably. The Knights offered to pay interest on the debt while this was carried out. I think the actions underpin a far more malicious intent to make the Knights look negligent as tenants and managers of the venue and wrest control of the stadium's management out of their hands, thus increasing their own profit.

I haven't read all the posts here but, Keeney is dead right with this statement and that's what it's all about.
Lets be realistic here, the Knights have put a lot into EAS over the years, turning it from a lame duck into what will be a world class venue. Without the Knights that stadium would still be the rarely used tumble weed dump it was 25 years ago. The only other tennant that ever showed what could be done was KB united long before the Knights. Does dumb arsed Jodie McKay really think that stadium would be what it was today if the Knights were never there? Hv is a state electated bunch of nobodies that the state government has enlisted to rest the management rights from the Knights, and Jodie McKay (as usual) is backing the power brokers, not the people she was elected to represent. Take the Knights out of EAS and they wont be able to charge peanuts for the place because nobody will be there. It would actually serve them right if the Kights did re-locate, and you can bet Ms McKay won't be around come the day after the next election, she can go back to reading the news.