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Mergers and Premiership Tallies

How Many GF's have they won


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SoftSydney

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So basically it is the opinion, fantasy, wishful thinking that STG fans are clinging to 16, there also is the propaganda from the STG country club with their sweet claim of 16 (mind you they serve a great burger and fries)
Then there is reality!!! The official NRL tally which is backed and reflected by STGI web site of 1.

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Every STG fan should have a copy
 
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20knights10

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wallow, you are seriously deluded... not just with respect to your lack of understanding about official records being applied through logic, but with the fantasy world in which you live that dictates that people giving you sh*t on an internet forum get terribly upset... you flounder around slinging insults and innuendos and generally look as though you're having serious mental issues and then have the audacity to proclaim that you've upset someone who laughs at your antics..!!

It's your forum wallow, and it's a pretty damn good one imo... but f**k me you need to step back and look around you.. there's a real world out there.... one in which the StGI dargons just won their maiden premiership......
 

20knights10

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wallow said:
Dragons: "One history, 15 premierships"
[SIZE=-1]Kogarah, 03 December 2002:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] It has been announced at the St George Football Club Annual General Meeting (AGM) that the history of the St George and Illawarra Dragons will be unified.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Leagues Club CEO, Peter Doust declared, "One history, 15 premierships" - bringing huge applause from the assembled members.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The revised history will acknowledge 82 years of history since St George joined the first grade in 1921 and Illawarra in 1982. Entitled, "1921-2002: Our Proud History" the Annual Report outlines the premierships in the following way:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]First Grade: St George 15; Illawarra 0; St George Illawarra 0 - TOTAL: 15[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]A '2003 premiership victory' will be represented thus:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]First Grade: St George 15; Illawarra 0; St George Illawarra 1 - TOTAL: 16[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]The emphasis being on the TOTAL.[/SIZE]
The emphasis being on this being the St George Club treating such an event in this manner, obviously realising how ridiculous this sounds and therefore not putting forward a formal discussion that the governing RL body treat it in the same manner..... poor boy.. you try soo hard too....

ps.. have a great weekend...

pps.. the actual stance by doust in 2002 is pretty much what is actually officially recorded today... no-one has tried to take away the fact that supporters of the dragons have every right to claim 16 victories for their team, but the records will show that the first won by StGI will be their maiden premiership and StGI will recognise it as such..... thanks wallow...
 
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cleary89

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Until Gasnier comes out and refutes it Willow its clear what his oppinion on the matter is.

But hey keep on lying wallow, I'll die before I stop doing the decent and right thing.

And I'll never stand for your morally reprehensible actions.

f**k you're a farkwit. Lets hope you do die soon.
 

muzby

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Just a little piece of information for you to be unable to digest, but reminding me that I have a Swedish wife who happens to be 11 years my junior does not irk me.

happy to help you keep up your fantasy mate.. anytime :)

What does irk me is that "figuratively" I've been smashing you from ass hole to breakfast time in this forum

you've been smashing me? really? have a read back through the thread.. you've simply gone from providing a semi fact based argument to ending up looking no better than the baron.. you've been proved to be a turncoat, and when things get too rough, you started trying to talk yourself up, boasting about how you don't need to work and of course, the classic swedish wife comback.. unfortunately all that has happened is that your posts end up reeking of sour grapes and desperation... but hey, if that's smashing someone in your opinion, go nuts...

it's becoming more and more apparent that you're actually about 35 years my junior... so :nwave:for now little girl.... :D

so i'm a girl about 35 years your junior... i guess that makes me prime candidate to be a rebound chick for you incase your current marriage doesn't work out...

I'm not proud of that so I will not be engaging in further banter with you, at least for another 6 years or so......

oh please.. we've heard that from you before... just two days ago infact.. did you forget? here, just incase it's slipped your mind (seems to happen with you)..

I'll do us both a favour and end the discussion with you here... I know Softy and Baron will continue to lend you their shovels but I'm dropping out of this with you...


once again, you have proved yourself to be a turncoat and can't live up to what you say you'll do.. you have the consistency of porridge made with milk that went off 3 months ago..

you lost any shred of respect & credibility in this thread the minute you admitted you were once a dragons fan, but gave up and now choose to bag your former comrades..


now.. you've said twice that you were going to stop conversing with me.. you've said that you are the mature one, but really, you can't handle not having the last word, can you...?
 

2010Dragons

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Are you as stupid as this post would indicate?

I'm not stupid.....I threw out the line (just for a laugh:D) and you took the line, the hook, the sinker and the boat.

Chill out dude...relax I'm only stiring you up to get a reaction (you have been MIA)..... and it worked.

RELAX!!!
 

Willow

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dgsfan said:
From the vowel king who uses Wikipedia as a credible source.

At least you can count up to 1.
So basically it is the opinion, fantasy
Wow. You haven't been able to comprehend any of this, eh Dodgy?

When you were trying to present the NRL official records, you were never showing anything that people didn't already know. Which part of 'you think it's a revelation' did you not understand?

If Saints supporters and the club wish to celebrate the 16th premiership, it's really none of your business. But you make it your business. Too bad. I'll take 16, with or without your whinging.

20Knights10 said:
you flounder around slinging insults and innuendos
:lol: Further proof that you dish it out but can't take it.

20Knights10 said:
you're having serious mental issues
LOL. Thanks Doc.

"slinging insults and innuendos" :lol:
20Knights10 said:
have the audacity to proclaim that you've upset someone who laughs at your antics..!!
Two exclaimation marks? lol. Oh yeah, you're cool as a cucumber. You must be having an absolute ball.

No more MSN, no king of the castle for you. To make matters worse, you now have to deal with a Dragons premiership.

Listen up Benito... If Saints wish to celebrate 16, you can't stop it. Yeah yeah, I know its a free forum and every opinion is golden. You can stamp your feet as much as you like. But none of those celebrating are being swayed by you. This, more than anything, is driving you nuts.

If we wish to say the NRL is wrong and protest the point, that is a view we're allowed to have. Can you understand this?

FMD, when you see a referee blunder, do you sit back and say "oh that's the official ruling so therefore I won't speak against it." Are you a sheep or a rambo?

You're clearly a hypocrite.

If I don't like the NRL's interpretations, do I cop it sweet because you tell me to? You don't have to like my views - heck, I know you cry and bitch about it enough. But at the end of the day I'll agree with those that think Saints deserve 16 premierships.

We both know your agenda here rambo. Bottom line is that you're a sore loser, and you're taking small comforts by telling other people how to think. Pretty pathetic really.

Question for the hypocrite: if you're so keen to correct people for posts you don't agree with, why aren't you laying into the baroness with the same gusto? It was and continues to repeat the same lie about Gasnier. Is it because you're more comfortable siding with liars?

I'd ask Softy the same question but that kid is a lost cause.

OK, retraction time for you rambo...

Speak for yourself wallow..... I'll retract nothing. You've just contradicted yourself... you have however not shown any evidence that there was any "matters raised" with the NRL by the St George Dragons club... it's just an unsubstantiated claim by yourself... and for all intents and purposes it's a claim that there was a formal debate between the club and the NRL.....

and you have the hide to call others liars..... :roll:
What was that about unsubstantiated claims?

Here you go chuckles... read it and weep...

The Red V Magazine is issued by St George Illawarra Dragons.

RedV-16-premierships-2005.jpg


Only because you asked so nicely...
 

dgsfan

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So officially 1 but in the minds of St MERGE fans it's 16. Meh. As long as they know they're wrong.
 

20knights10

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If Saints supporters and the club wish to celebrate the 16th premiership, it's really none of your business. But you make it your business. Too bad. I'll take 16, with or without your whinging.
I've never had a problem with you and the club celebrating this years premiership as your 16th. I've had a problem with claims it makes the premiership tally for StGI 16 because that is pure garbage fro a team only 12 years old....

:lol: Further proof that you dish it out but can't take it.
I can take it and I can dish it out... there has been little to take though, but that's hardly my fault wallow....

LOL. Thanks Doc.

"slinging insults and innuendos" :lol:
yes.. and..??

Two exclaimation marks? lol. Oh yeah, you're cool as a cucumber. You must be having an absolute ball.

No more MSN, no king of the castle for you. To make matters worse, you now have to deal with a Dragons premiership.
I've had to deal with a lot more than one dragons premiership in the last 31 years... most of it has been ofset by watching dragons fans going ballistic in online forums over miniscule things.. but nothing beat the reaction of dragons fans at the end of '99... it will be a hard one to top...

Listen up Benito... If Saints wish to celebrate 16, you can't stop it. Yeah yeah, I know its a free forum and every opinion is golden. You can stamp your feet as much as you like. But none of those celebrating are being swayed by you. This, more than anything, is driving you nuts.
lol... gosh, a mind reader to boot.. does the magical mystical wallow have no bounds..?? well yeah.. he's not very often right...

If we wish to say the NRL is wrong and protest the point, that is a view we're allowed to have. Can you understand this?
why yes you can, and people who think with considerably more logic than yourself can challenge it..

FMD, when you see a referee blunder, do you sit back and say "oh that's the official ruling so therefore I won't speak against it." Are you a sheep or a rambo?
Of course not, but when the idiot protesting that it's a crap ruling by the referee is wrong (usually a dragons supporter) then i'll debate the merits of their criticism too.... it's a bit hypocritical calling me a sheep when here you and the majority of dragons supporters are following a completely illogical train of thought because some club propaganda rag says so..!!

You're clearly a hypocrite.
:lol: as above....

If I don't like the NRL's interpretations, do I cop it sweet because you tell me to? You don't have to like my views - heck, I know you cry and bitch about it enough. But at the end of the day I'll agree with those that think Saints deserve 16 premierships.
and I'll dispute your wild claims....

We both know your agenda here rambo. Bottom line is that you're a sore loser, and you're taking small comforts by telling other people how to think. Pretty pathetic really.
you know very little wallow... this thread and many others demonstrate that fact quite clearly... I know it suits you well to consider yourself the superior being amongst the common folk of the forum but in reality you just come across as a try hard wannabe..

Question for the hypocrite: if you're so keen to correct people for posts you don't agree with, why aren't you laying into the baroness with the same gusto? It was and continues to repeat the same lie about Gasnier. Is it because you're more comfortable siding with liars?
I've told baron that I think he should retract. I don't for a minute think his original post was intended as an outright lie, but to not correct himself has left him wide open to what it is he's copping now.. but I'll be perfectly honest with you wallow, I don't think he's too concerned about being called a liar...

I'd ask Softy the same question but that kid is a lost cause.
that kid has put some nails in some dragons supporters... you talk of sore losers getting all upset and such, how about telling those who don't believe it's 16 they know how to make briefcase bombs, hope for some form of dismemberment and such..?? fmd you talk of hypocrisy...

OK, retraction time for you rambo...


What was that about unsubstantiated claims?

Here you go chuckles... read it and weep...

The Red V Magazine is issued by St George Illawarra Dragons.

RedV-16-premierships-2005.jpg


Only because you asked so nicely...
Well thanks willow. It's good to see that you weren't just fabricating a story about an official protest to the NRL by the StGI club. Of course I'm happy to see that such emotional clap trap has borne no fruit. I much prefer and fully support this stance:
Dragons: "One history, 15 premierships"
[SIZE=-1]Kogarah, 03 December 2002:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] It has been announced at the St George Football Club Annual General Meeting (AGM) that the history of the St George and Illawarra Dragons will be unified.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Leagues Club CEO, Peter Doust declared, "One history, 15 premierships" - bringing huge applause from the assembled members.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The revised history will acknowledge 82 years of history since St George joined the first grade in 1921 and Illawarra in 1982. Entitled, "1921-2002: Our Proud History" the Annual Report outlines the premierships in the following way:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]First Grade: St George 15; Illawarra 0; St George Illawarra 0 - TOTAL: 15[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]A '2003 premiership victory' will be represented thus:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]First Grade: St George 15; Illawarra 0; St George Illawarra 1 - TOTAL: 16[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]The emphasis being on the TOTAL[/SIZE]
with the emphasis being on St George Illawarra 1...

Now as I explained to you earlier, there is no justification in my retracting my comments. I had asked time and again for evidence that there was an official debate regarding the StGI dragons being officially recognised as having won 16 premierships.. you had claimed there was at one stage... you then went on to make such absurd claims as the NRL "not knowing what to do with the Dragons" and "you're hung up on words like official and informal" and well.. your usually deflective diatribe...

What you have now done is:
1) prove that in 2002 the dragons club accepted that should it win a premiership it would accept that it is the first for the StGI club.... but the club itself would consider that they've won 16 total... completely acceptable viewpoint....
2) prove that in 2005 the club tried to put forward a case to the NRL that it should consider that the StGI Dragon have already won 15 premierships. Not bad for a club that had only competed in 7 competitions.

Going by the little piece of evidence that you put forward to show that the Red V membership had in fact tried to have the records show 15 premierships in 2005 and the fact that to this day the record books show that this year is the maiden premiership for the StGI dragons I would say it's safe to assume that the ridiculous claim was dropped some time ago.... so what prey tell is there for me to retract wallow?
 
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SoftSydney

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So officially 1 but in the minds of St MERGE fans it's 16. Meh. As long as they know they're wrong.


Of course they do, why else are they counting exclamation marks!!! :D you can live the lie but deep down the truth is always there.

The knight has been feasting on them, I dont think he is even trying
 

Willow

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20knights10 said:
Going by the little piece of evidence that you put forward to show that the Red V membership had in fact tried to have the records show 15 premierships in 2005
lol. The 'little piece of evidence' that made all your googling to try and disprove it redundant.

The excerpt means the club has been protesting the NRL decision. A claim you repeatedly discarded because of your recent conversion to 'research' on the matter.

You keep thinking you have all the answers, based on a few google searches. But you don't.
20knights10 said:
and the fact that to this day the record books show that this year is the maiden premiership for the StGI dragons I would say it's safe to assume that the ridiculous claim was dropped some time ago.... so what prey tell is there for me to retract wallow?
The claim has been dropped by the club? How would you know this rambo?

Did you just make an unsubstantiated claim?

FTR, I didn't think you had the guts to admit that you were in error.

I refer to your words:

20Knights10 said:
You've just contradicted yourself... you have however not shown any evidence that there was any "matters raised" with the NRL by the St George Dragons club... it's just an unsubstantiated claim by yourself... and for all intents and purposes it's a claim that there was a formal debate between the club and the NRL.....

and you have the hide to call others liars..... :roll:
Claiming that I was posting unsubstantiated claims, lying. When the evidence is placed before your eyes, you come up with some new story.

Yep, you definitely made up your mind before you entered the thread. You want it triplicate, and then it's not good enough.

For me, I'll be happy to question the NRL when I don't agree with their decisions. This is a discussion forum after all.

The Joint Venture shouldn't mean an end to the heritage, historical records and identities of either club, and the St George history is obviously hard to ignore. This fact is not lost on the fans or sections of the media, and even the NRL use it at their leisure. Obviously a number of Saints fans are quite passionate about it, but we're allowed to be - it's our club.

And I know the 16th premiership has a negative effect on opposition fans, otherwise why would you argue against it for so many pages?
 

20knights10

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lol. The 'little piece of evidence' that made all your googling to try and disprove it redundant.

The excerpt means the club has been protesting the NRL decision. A claim you repeatedly discarded because of your recent conversion to 'research' on the matter.

You keep thinking you have all the answers, based on a few google searches. But you don't.The claim has been dropped by the club? How would you know this rambo?

Did you just make an unsubstantiated claim?
You posted evidence there was an effort by the StGI club to challenge the official records regarding number of premierships 5 years ago. Since the records to this day reflect that the this challenge was disregarded I'd say that my claim is pretty f**king substantiated wallow.... :lol:

FTR, I didn't think you had the guts to admit that you were in error.
for the record, you've not shown me to be in error about anything so there's nothing to admit...

I refer to your words:
20Knights10 said:
You've just contradicted yourself... you have however not shown any evidence that there was any "matters raised" with the NRL by the St George Dragons club... it's just an unsubstantiated claim by yourself... and for all intents and purposes it's a claim that there was a formal debate between the club and the NRL.....

and you have the hide to call others liars..... :roll:
Claiming that I was posting unsubstantiated claims, lying. When the evidence is placed before your eyes, you come up with some new story.
and I'll repeat, at the time of that post what I said was the exact truth. Just because you've been forced to go through your old red V rags and clip and scan articles to justify your claims to try and avoid looking like a complete fool doesn't change the fact that at the time you made claims you had not then been able to substantiate them.

Yep, you definitely made up your mind before you entered the thread. You want it triplicate, and then it's not good enough.
Nothing is definite. At the time I entered this thread you didn't look like a complete idiot... my how things can change....

For me, I'll be happy to question the NRL when I don't agree with their decisions. This is a discussion forum after all.
and then you manage a logical point... jekyll and hyde or what..??

The Joint Venture shouldn't mean an end to the heritage, historical records and identities of either club, and the St George history is obviously hard to ignore. This fact is not lost on the fans or sections of the media, and even the NRL use it at their leisure. Obviously a number of Saints fans are quite passionate about it, but we're allowed to be - it's our club.
The JV doesn't end tradition. What it does end is a club's right to claim that the records of the past 2 clubs be reflected in the records of the new identity. They're not forgotten and never will be... but officially the club is a different entity.. and officially the record count starts again...


And I know the 16th premiership has a negative effect on opposition fans, otherwise why would you argue against it for so many pages?
because it's a discussion forum... because it's enjoyable to watch and participate in the discussions... because it's the off season... are you f**king serious..?? it's because you're a st merge supporter and they're always the most passionate.. and consequently the most easily riled...

Your selective clipping of my posts also shows that you're more interested in avoiding certain topics because you have absolutely no answer to them... this in effect is quite dishonest... you sir are far worse than Baron when it comes to being forthright.... :D
 

SoftSydney

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You posted evidence there was an effort by the StGI club to challenge the official records regarding number of premierships 5 years ago. Since the records to this day reflect that the this challenge was disregarded I'd say that my claim is pretty f**king substantiated wallow.... :lol:

for the record, you've not shown me to be in error about anything so there's nothing to admit...


and I'll repeat, at the time of that post what I said was the exact truth. Just because you've been forced to go through your old red V rags and clip and scan articles to justify your claims to try and avoid looking like a complete fool doesn't change the fact that at the time you made claims you had not then been able to substantiate them.


Nothing is definite. At the time I entered this thread you didn't look like a complete idiot... my how things can change....


and then you manage a logical point... jekyll and hyde or what..??


The JV doesn't end tradition. What it does end is a club's right to claim that the records of the past 2 clubs be reflected in the records of the new identity. They're not forgotten and never will be... but officially the club is a different entity.. and officially the record count starts again...



because it's a discussion forum... because it's enjoyable to watch and participate in the discussions... because it's the off season... are you f**king serious..?? it's because you're a st merge supporter and they're always the most passionate.. and consequently the most easily riled...

Your selective clipping of my posts also shows that you're more interested in avoiding certain topics because you have absolutely no answer to them... this in effect is quite dishonest... you sir are far worse than Baron when it comes to being forthright.... :D

Awesomely put dude, that is exactly the way it is. I can see why a STG fan would claim 16 but it can never be, the NRL can not set such a precedent, it is fundamentally wrong. It would make a mockery of the the tally!... whilst the league has evolved from NSWRL ARL SL NRL and will keep evolving the Tally is the backbone.
STG was a great club with mighty feats and will always have its history just like the Jets and the Bears.
 

Willow

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At the time I entered this thread you didn't look like a complete idiot... my how things can change....
OK.

lol.
20knights10 said:
it's because you're a st merge supporter
Confirmation that your guided by your trolling.

And rambo, I don't care if it hurts you what I'm quoting here. The fact is, you can't sneeze without launching into a diatribe.

But I am happy to see that you have managed to come someway to seeing my point of view.

20knights10 said:
I much prefer and fully support this stance:
Although you are still a glass half empty fella, I think the emphasis is on the total.

However, it is good that you agree with the Football Club's AGM and report and the 'One History' references.

Since 1921, 16 premierships.
 

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