The emphasis being on this being the St George Club treating such an event in this manner, obviously realising how ridiculous this sounds and therefore not putting forward a formal discussion that the governing RL body treat it in the same manner..... poor boy.. you try soo hard too....wallow said:Dragons: "One history, 15 premierships"
[SIZE=-1]Kogarah, 03 December 2002:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] It has been announced at the St George Football Club Annual General Meeting (AGM) that the history of the St George and Illawarra Dragons will be unified.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Leagues Club CEO, Peter Doust declared, "One history, 15 premierships" - bringing huge applause from the assembled members.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The revised history will acknowledge 82 years of history since St George joined the first grade in 1921 and Illawarra in 1982. Entitled, "1921-2002: Our Proud History" the Annual Report outlines the premierships in the following way:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]First Grade: St George 15; Illawarra 0; St George Illawarra 0 - TOTAL: 15[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]A '2003 premiership victory' will be represented thus:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]First Grade: St George 15; Illawarra 0; St George Illawarra 1 - TOTAL: 16[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The emphasis being on the TOTAL.[/SIZE]
Until Gasnier comes out and refutes it Willow its clear what his oppinion on the matter is.
But hey keep on lying wallow, I'll die before I stop doing the decent and right thing.
And I'll never stand for your morally reprehensible actions.
Just a little piece of information for you to be unable to digest, but reminding me that I have a Swedish wife who happens to be 11 years my junior does not irk me.
What does irk me is that "figuratively" I've been smashing you from ass hole to breakfast time in this forum
it's becoming more and more apparent that you're actually about 35 years my junior... so :nwave:for now little girl....
I'm not proud of that so I will not be engaging in further banter with you, at least for another 6 years or so......
I'll do us both a favour and end the discussion with you here... I know Softy and Baron will continue to lend you their shovels but I'm dropping out of this with you...
f**k you're a farkwit. Lets hope you do die soon.
Are you as stupid as this post would indicate?
From the vowel king who uses Wikipedia as a credible source.dgsfan said:1. Haha.
Wow. You haven't been able to comprehend any of this, eh Dodgy?So basically it is the opinion, fantasy
:lol: Further proof that you dish it out but can't take it.20Knights10 said:you flounder around slinging insults and innuendos
LOL. Thanks Doc.20Knights10 said:you're having serious mental issues
Two exclaimation marks? lol. Oh yeah, you're cool as a cucumber. You must be having an absolute ball.20Knights10 said:have the audacity to proclaim that you've upset someone who laughs at your antics..!!
What was that about unsubstantiated claims?Speak for yourself wallow..... I'll retract nothing. You've just contradicted yourself... you have however not shown any evidence that there was any "matters raised" with the NRL by the St George Dragons club... it's just an unsubstantiated claim by yourself... and for all intents and purposes it's a claim that there was a formal debate between the club and the NRL.....
and you have the hide to call others liars..... :roll:
I've never had a problem with you and the club celebrating this years premiership as your 16th. I've had a problem with claims it makes the premiership tally for StGI 16 because that is pure garbage fro a team only 12 years old....If Saints supporters and the club wish to celebrate the 16th premiership, it's really none of your business. But you make it your business. Too bad. I'll take 16, with or without your whinging.
I can take it and I can dish it out... there has been little to take though, but that's hardly my fault wallow....:lol: Further proof that you dish it out but can't take it.
yes.. and..??LOL. Thanks Doc.
"slinging insults and innuendos" :lol:
I've had to deal with a lot more than one dragons premiership in the last 31 years... most of it has been ofset by watching dragons fans going ballistic in online forums over miniscule things.. but nothing beat the reaction of dragons fans at the end of '99... it will be a hard one to top...Two exclaimation marks? lol. Oh yeah, you're cool as a cucumber. You must be having an absolute ball.
No more MSN, no king of the castle for you. To make matters worse, you now have to deal with a Dragons premiership.
lol... gosh, a mind reader to boot.. does the magical mystical wallow have no bounds..?? well yeah.. he's not very often right...Listen up Benito... If Saints wish to celebrate 16, you can't stop it. Yeah yeah, I know its a free forum and every opinion is golden. You can stamp your feet as much as you like. But none of those celebrating are being swayed by you. This, more than anything, is driving you nuts.
why yes you can, and people who think with considerably more logic than yourself can challenge it..If we wish to say the NRL is wrong and protest the point, that is a view we're allowed to have. Can you understand this?
Of course not, but when the idiot protesting that it's a crap ruling by the referee is wrong (usually a dragons supporter) then i'll debate the merits of their criticism too.... it's a bit hypocritical calling me a sheep when here you and the majority of dragons supporters are following a completely illogical train of thought because some club propaganda rag says so..!!FMD, when you see a referee blunder, do you sit back and say "oh that's the official ruling so therefore I won't speak against it." Are you a sheep or a rambo?
:lol: as above....You're clearly a hypocrite.
and I'll dispute your wild claims....If I don't like the NRL's interpretations, do I cop it sweet because you tell me to? You don't have to like my views - heck, I know you cry and bitch about it enough. But at the end of the day I'll agree with those that think Saints deserve 16 premierships.
you know very little wallow... this thread and many others demonstrate that fact quite clearly... I know it suits you well to consider yourself the superior being amongst the common folk of the forum but in reality you just come across as a try hard wannabe..We both know your agenda here rambo. Bottom line is that you're a sore loser, and you're taking small comforts by telling other people how to think. Pretty pathetic really.
I've told baron that I think he should retract. I don't for a minute think his original post was intended as an outright lie, but to not correct himself has left him wide open to what it is he's copping now.. but I'll be perfectly honest with you wallow, I don't think he's too concerned about being called a liar...Question for the hypocrite: if you're so keen to correct people for posts you don't agree with, why aren't you laying into the baroness with the same gusto? It was and continues to repeat the same lie about Gasnier. Is it because you're more comfortable siding with liars?
that kid has put some nails in some dragons supporters... you talk of sore losers getting all upset and such, how about telling those who don't believe it's 16 they know how to make briefcase bombs, hope for some form of dismemberment and such..?? fmd you talk of hypocrisy...I'd ask Softy the same question but that kid is a lost cause.
Well thanks willow. It's good to see that you weren't just fabricating a story about an official protest to the NRL by the StGI club. Of course I'm happy to see that such emotional clap trap has borne no fruit. I much prefer and fully support this stance:OK, retraction time for you rambo...
What was that about unsubstantiated claims?
Here you go chuckles... read it and weep...
The Red V Magazine is issued by St George Illawarra Dragons.
Only because you asked so nicely...
with the emphasis being on St George Illawarra 1...Dragons: "One history, 15 premierships"
[SIZE=-1]Kogarah, 03 December 2002:[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] It has been announced at the St George Football Club Annual General Meeting (AGM) that the history of the St George and Illawarra Dragons will be unified.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Leagues Club CEO, Peter Doust declared, "One history, 15 premierships" - bringing huge applause from the assembled members.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The revised history will acknowledge 82 years of history since St George joined the first grade in 1921 and Illawarra in 1982. Entitled, "1921-2002: Our Proud History" the Annual Report outlines the premierships in the following way:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]First Grade: St George 15; Illawarra 0; St George Illawarra 0 - TOTAL: 15[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]A '2003 premiership victory' will be represented thus:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]First Grade: St George 15; Illawarra 0; St George Illawarra 1 - TOTAL: 16[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The emphasis being on the TOTAL[/SIZE]
So officially 1 but in the minds of St MERGE fans it's 16. Meh. As long as they know they're wrong.
lol. The 'little piece of evidence' that made all your googling to try and disprove it redundant.20knights10 said:Going by the little piece of evidence that you put forward to show that the Red V membership had in fact tried to have the records show 15 premierships in 2005
The claim has been dropped by the club? How would you know this rambo?20knights10 said:and the fact that to this day the record books show that this year is the maiden premiership for the StGI dragons I would say it's safe to assume that the ridiculous claim was dropped some time ago.... so what prey tell is there for me to retract wallow?
Claiming that I was posting unsubstantiated claims, lying. When the evidence is placed before your eyes, you come up with some new story.20Knights10 said:You've just contradicted yourself... you have however not shown any evidence that there was any "matters raised" with the NRL by the St George Dragons club... it's just an unsubstantiated claim by yourself... and for all intents and purposes it's a claim that there was a formal debate between the club and the NRL.....
and you have the hide to call others liars..... :roll:
You posted evidence there was an effort by the StGI club to challenge the official records regarding number of premierships 5 years ago. Since the records to this day reflect that the this challenge was disregarded I'd say that my claim is pretty f**king substantiated wallow.... :lol:lol. The 'little piece of evidence' that made all your googling to try and disprove it redundant.
The excerpt means the club has been protesting the NRL decision. A claim you repeatedly discarded because of your recent conversion to 'research' on the matter.
You keep thinking you have all the answers, based on a few google searches. But you don't.The claim has been dropped by the club? How would you know this rambo?
Did you just make an unsubstantiated claim?
for the record, you've not shown me to be in error about anything so there's nothing to admit...FTR, I didn't think you had the guts to admit that you were in error.
and I'll repeat, at the time of that post what I said was the exact truth. Just because you've been forced to go through your old red V rags and clip and scan articles to justify your claims to try and avoid looking like a complete fool doesn't change the fact that at the time you made claims you had not then been able to substantiate them.I refer to your words:Claiming that I was posting unsubstantiated claims, lying. When the evidence is placed before your eyes, you come up with some new story.20Knights10 said:You've just contradicted yourself... you have however not shown any evidence that there was any "matters raised" with the NRL by the St George Dragons club... it's just an unsubstantiated claim by yourself... and for all intents and purposes it's a claim that there was a formal debate between the club and the NRL.....
and you have the hide to call others liars..... :roll:
Nothing is definite. At the time I entered this thread you didn't look like a complete idiot... my how things can change....Yep, you definitely made up your mind before you entered the thread. You want it triplicate, and then it's not good enough.
and then you manage a logical point... jekyll and hyde or what..??For me, I'll be happy to question the NRL when I don't agree with their decisions. This is a discussion forum after all.
The JV doesn't end tradition. What it does end is a club's right to claim that the records of the past 2 clubs be reflected in the records of the new identity. They're not forgotten and never will be... but officially the club is a different entity.. and officially the record count starts again...The Joint Venture shouldn't mean an end to the heritage, historical records and identities of either club, and the St George history is obviously hard to ignore. This fact is not lost on the fans or sections of the media, and even the NRL use it at their leisure. Obviously a number of Saints fans are quite passionate about it, but we're allowed to be - it's our club.
because it's a discussion forum... because it's enjoyable to watch and participate in the discussions... because it's the off season... are you f**king serious..?? it's because you're a st merge supporter and they're always the most passionate.. and consequently the most easily riled...And I know the 16th premiership has a negative effect on opposition fans, otherwise why would you argue against it for so many pages?
You posted evidence there was an effort by the StGI club to challenge the official records regarding number of premierships 5 years ago. Since the records to this day reflect that the this challenge was disregarded I'd say that my claim is pretty f**king substantiated wallow.... :lol:
for the record, you've not shown me to be in error about anything so there's nothing to admit...
and I'll repeat, at the time of that post what I said was the exact truth. Just because you've been forced to go through your old red V rags and clip and scan articles to justify your claims to try and avoid looking like a complete fool doesn't change the fact that at the time you made claims you had not then been able to substantiate them.
Nothing is definite. At the time I entered this thread you didn't look like a complete idiot... my how things can change....
and then you manage a logical point... jekyll and hyde or what..??
The JV doesn't end tradition. What it does end is a club's right to claim that the records of the past 2 clubs be reflected in the records of the new identity. They're not forgotten and never will be... but officially the club is a different entity.. and officially the record count starts again...
because it's a discussion forum... because it's enjoyable to watch and participate in the discussions... because it's the off season... are you f**king serious..?? it's because you're a st merge supporter and they're always the most passionate.. and consequently the most easily riled...
Your selective clipping of my posts also shows that you're more interested in avoiding certain topics because you have absolutely no answer to them... this in effect is quite dishonest... you sir are far worse than Baron when it comes to being forthright....
OK.At the time I entered this thread you didn't look like a complete idiot... my how things can change....
Confirmation that your guided by your trolling.20knights10 said:it's because you're a st merge supporter
Although you are still a glass half empty fella, I think the emphasis is on the total.20knights10 said:I much prefer and fully support this stance: