Mergers and Premiership Tallies

[Baron Vo Mandor]

The Joint Venture shouldn't mean an end to the heritage, historical records and identities of either club, and the St George history is obviously hard to ignore. This fact is not lost on the fans or sections of the media, and even the NRL use it at their leisure. Obviously a number of Saints fans are quite passionate about it, but we're allowed to be - it's our club.

Well guess what Willow it does and your cronies can bleat it all you want and say like simpletons.

16.

But in actual fact St George and Illawarra havent been around for 12 years and a new club has been that has won 1 premiership.

I am sure if you are completely honest with yourself, you realise just stupid you are being.

 

[20knights10]

OK.

lol.
Confirmation that your guided by your trolling.

And rambo, I don't care if it hurts you what I'm quoting here. The fact is, you can't sneeze without launching into a diatribe.

But I am happy to see that you have managed to come someway to seeing my point of view.

Although you are still a glass half empty fella, I think the emphasis is on the total.

However, it is good that you agree with the Football Club's AGM and report and the 'One History' references.

Since 1921, 16 premierships.

Good to see you're dropped the silly notion of me retracting and calling me a liar.. f**king hell talk about diatribe..!!

anyway.. no problem with your club's one history stance, as long as it remains logical in that it represents the premiership tally as:

First Grade: St George 15; Illawarra 0; St George Illawarra 1 - TOTAL: 16

recognising the existence of 3 seperate clubs.... also recognising that there will never ever be an addition to the 15 from St George or the 0 from Illawarra.... and since the only one of these teams to compete in the First Grade competition is St George Illawarra the tally is for now officially and correctly 1....

oh and...

Confirmation that your guided by your trolling.

It's "you're"

 

[Willow]

Good to see you're dropped the silly notion of me retracting and calling me a liar..

Ha! Dream on.

The only difference between the baroness and yourself is that the baroness knows it's a bullsh*tter.

 

[SoftSydney]

Gee someone has been getting smacked around in here the last couple of days

 

[SoftSydney]

A classic example of why the NRL does not recognise 16 and never will

NSWRL is encouraging STGI and the Raiders to form a joint venture in the NSW cup
If this hypothetically did eventuate do we combine STG, Steelers, Raiders, STGI, plus StG Illawa Raiders cup wins. Do we combine the premierships of 5 clubs?
Now if this twice merged team won a premiership do we then say 5 teams can receive credit for one premiership?
St George 1
St George Illawarra 1
Illawarrra 1
Raiders 1
StGeorge Illawarra Raiders 1

Yes that how stupid the claim to 16 is!

'Forcing talent to Queensland' - Raiders fume at ban on juniors
Glenn Jackson
December 18, 2010
CANBERRA chief executive Don Furner has attacked the NSWRL's ''short-sightedness'' in banning the Raiders from junior representative competitions next year, saying it would hand some of the district's best youngsters to other codes, and that the next Laurie Daley could end up playing for Queensland as a result.
In what Furner called a ''crazy'' decision, the NSWRL board decided on Thursday to ''exclude'' the Raiders from the SG Ball and Harold Matthews competitions next year because the club would again not be fielding a team in the NSW Cup, because of the costs. That would end 29 years of involvement in the junior competitions.
Furner said up to 60 juniors, who are due to play a trial against Wests Magpies Goulburn this weekend and who have already been given playing equipment, might now be lost to the code - forced to Super 15 club the ACT Brumbies, or even the AFL, which recently announced that the new GWS franchise would play matches in the capital.

He said the squads would have to be disbanded, play in a country competition or even in Queensland. Furner has already held talks with QRL managing director Ross Livermore about the prospect of Canberra's best juniors competing in Queensland's school-age competitions - making some of them eligible for Queensland.
''There's going to be 60 kids who are very disillusioned with league, along with their parents and relatives,'' Furner said. ''It's going to deny kids their chance to play rep footy, and these kids could be lost to the Brumbies or GWS. Laurie Daley, Ricky Stuart and Josh Dugan all came through our junior reps. Could you imagine if the next group were playing for Queensland? They could be handing some kids straight to Queensland. We feel we've been better treated by Queensland through all this.''
The NSWRL had encouraged the Raiders to form a joint venture with St George Illawarra to play with Shellharbour in the NSW Cup. But the Raiders, believing a shared feeder club would be unworkable, had proposed to send some players not involved in the NRL competition to Shellharbour and others to Souths Logan.
But NSWRL officials maintained they could send their players to Shellharbour only - which Furner described as being akin to ''putting a gun to our head''. ''We've been part of these competition since 1982 - we've been developing juniors for 29 years. I just can't believe they have done this,'' he said.
The NSWRL said the decision had been made to stop NSW players strengthening Queensland competitions. Manly had been given the same ultimatum, having been previously linked with the Sunshine Coast Queensland Cup side.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...rs-fume-at-ban-on-juniors-20101217-190ot.html

 

[20knights10]

Ha! Dream on.

The only difference between the baroness and yourself is that the baroness knows it's a bullsh*tter.

Doesn't carry much weight coming from you mate... you've been lying the whole thread, along with the other 84 identities that claim the 2 merged teams have 16 premierships each.... The club even accepted and formalised this at it's 2002 AGM.... The merged clubs can claim 16 in total but in your case it's 15 and 1.... ie:

First Grade: St George 15; Illawarra 0; St George Illawarra 1 - TOTAL: 16

You produce this after you claimed the club was negotiating with the NRL what.. 2 months ago? I'd asked you numerous times to show some evidence that this was true. There was nothing from any official web sites, nothing from any news letters that could be found.. In fact all the official sites insist that 2010 is the maiden premiership of the StGI Dragon... including the StGI clubs own official web site...

and then when you finally produce it it shows that it's from a red V rag 5 years ago asking the NRL to credit the club that has been competing for a grand total of 7 years an official record stating they have won 16 premierships....

If this situation were applied to any other club than your own... in any sport in the world.. you'd be laughing your f**king arse off at how ludicrous it all is.... yet here you are... :lol::lol::lol:

 

[juanfarkall]

sixteen... and counting.

 

[dgsfan]

I'm glad you can count at the age of 16. Well done. It shouldn't be hard for you to count StMerge's premiership total as it's only 1... then again you are a Merge fan.

 

[Willow]

ps.. have a great weekend...

What happened with that rambo?

Couldn't keep away. You're obsessed. Join the queue.

I've had to deal with a lot more than one dragons premiership in the last 31 years...

So it has been festering for a long time.

I've told baron that I think he should retract.

How is that working out?

I don't for a minute think his original post was intended as an outright lie

Then you are a naive fool.

This is like shooting fish in a bucket.

it's safe to assume that the ridiculous claim was dropped some time ago....

I ask again, are you stating that the club has dropped the matter? You avoided the same question earlier.

for the record, you've not shown me to be in error about anything so there's nothing to admit...

LOL. And again, you keep calling me a liar.

You demand proof, I show it. And you don't have the guts to retract.

It doesn't surprise me btw. Cowardly stuff, you might need to change your name again after that.

Just because you've been forced to go through your old red V rags and clip and scan articles to justify your claims

Ahh... do you remember me stating that as soon as I post evidence, there is always one dopey troll that says something like "oh look, we forced you to go to all that trouble" - well guess who the dopey troll is.

You demanded evidence, not once, but twice. And then you saw it. Then you try to find ways to shoot the messenger. That's the rambo way.

Duplicity plus.

NB: Softy, 'duplicity' is just one of those words we adults use for 'hypocrites'. This can be your 'word of the day'.

 

[Willow]

You produce this after you claimed the club was negotiating with the NRL what.. 2 months ago? I'd asked you numerous times to show some evidence that this was true.

Are you drunk?

I said plenty of times that the club had raised the issue in the past. And I showed the evidence.

I never said it was 2 months ago.

Would you like to rephrase your claim?

 

[SoftSydney]

You dont seem to be doing too well the last week willow, moving forward exciting news STGI could merge yet again with the Raiders to form The Raiders StG Illlawarra Steelers!
Then you can claim 19 premierships ay ay aye :lol:

 

[dgsfan]

lol! Gosh Merge fans are living in a little world of their own.

 

[Willow]

You dont seem to be doing too well the last week willow

You can say that dodgy, whatever gets you through the next shandy.

As long as you stop sending silly PMs asking me to stop with the name calling. Poor kid.

moving forward exciting news STGI could merge yet again with the Raiders to form The Raiders StG Illlawarra Steelers!
Then you can claim 19 premierships ay ay aye

lol. Another revelation. From October.

FTR, the feeder club proposal upset waiders tewwibly.

Link: http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=372637

Have you got a link to support your claim that the Dragons and Raiders NRL sides are merging?

 

[20knights10]

ps.. have a great weekend...

What happened with that rambo?

Couldn't keep away. You're obsessed. Join the queue.

I'm having one. you're not? sorry to hear it...

I've had to deal with a lot more than one dragons premiership in the last 31 years...

So it has been festering for a long time.

that would be you wallow... you know.. festering... my life has been just fine... one of the reasons for this is that I've never had a need to think that my team merged with another and all those wonderful records are now pretty much defunct... and I've celebrated 2 premiership victories that shook the town.. did I say town..?? I meant City Of Newcastle.. to the core... actually I've never seen the like of the celebration in Newcastle anywhere for anything.... .. sorry wallow... no festering here mate.... try again..

I've told baron that I think he should retract.

How is that working out?

Fine thanks. I managed to go a whole night and not miss out on any sleep over it. If I knew what it was that made me do that I would share it with you. You could try and get the f**k over yourself if it bothers you so much...

I don't for a minute think his original post was intended as an outright lie

Then you are a naive fool.

This is like shooting fish in a bucket.

replace 'fish' with "yourself" and 'a bucket' with "the foot" and you have successfully described you miserable attempts to look "superior" in this discussion... you yourself admitted as much dipsh*t....

it's safe to assume that the ridiculous claim was dropped some time ago....

I ask again, are you stating that the club has dropped the matter? You avoided the same question earlier.

Sorry dude, but you're the one who's avoided questions... the fact that you went back and dragged up all of these portions of previous posts is perfect example of how you had avoided questions... now that you've been forced to address them in a vain attempt to regain some form of credibility merely shows that you're closer to admitting how pathetic your arguments have been to date... but back on point....

if the club has not dropped the matter, then they have been pursuing it for at least 7 seasons... with zero success... StGI has officially won 1 premiership.... stop crying and accept it...

for the record, you've not shown me to be in error about anything so there's nothing to admit...

LOL. And again, you keep calling me a liar.

You demand proof, I show it. And you don't have the guts the retract.

It doesn't surprise me btw. Cowardly stuff, you might need to change your name again after that.

You've shown that in 2002 at an annual AGM Doust agreed with exactly the same as the records reflect today... and then in 2005 a red V rag suggested that they were going to lobby the NRL to recognise all premiership won by the St George club be included in the records for the St George Illawarra club... from there to now nothing has been achieved and nothing you have shown suggests that the outrageous claims are still being pursued... so in conclusion, I have nothing to retract because you've proven nothing... how f**king thick do you want people to know you are..??

Just because you've been forced to go through your old red V rags and clip and scan articles to justify your claims

Ahh... do you remember me stating that as soon as I post evidence, there is always one dopey troll that says something like "oh look, we forced you to go to all that trouble" - well guess who the dopey troll is.

You demanded evidence, not once, but twice. And then you saw it. Then you try to find ways to shoot the messenger. That's the rambo way.

Duplicity plus.

NB: Softy, 'duplicity' is just one of those words we adults use for 'hypocrites'. This can be your 'word of the day'.

as above... you've provided no evidence that the St George club is currently trying to have the official record show that the St George Illawarra club has won 16 premierships. You've shown that some 5 years ago it was suggested in a membership rag that discussion were taking place and nothing more.... in that 5 years the records show that if it was true that the red V rag claims were true they were pretty obviously dismissed.... what you have achieved so far is to show that you're an idiot... but a very passionate one....

You produce this after you claimed the club was negotiating with the NRL what.. 2 months ago? I'd asked you numerous times to show some evidence that this was true.

Are you drunk?

I said plenty of times that the club had raised the issue in the past. And I showed the evidence.

I never said it was 2 months ago.

Would you like to rephrase your claim?

You can say that dodgy, whatever gets you through the next shandy.

As long as you stop sending silly PMs asking me to stop with the name calling. Poor kid.lol. Another revelation. From October.

FTR, the feeder club proposal upset waiders tewwibly.

Link: http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=372637

Have you got a link to support your claim that the Dragons and Raiders NRL sides are merging?

Not at all.... the claim stands and the explanations are listed above...

now that you've made a feeble attempt to address the majority of the points I've raised, are you game to respond to all of my latest responses all at the same time?

 

[SoftSydney]

You can say that dodgy, whatever gets you through the next shandy.

As long as you stop sending silly PMs asking me to stop with the name calling. Poor kid.lol. Another revelation. From October.

FTR, the feeder club proposal upset waiders tewwibly.

Link: http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/showthread.php?t=372637

Have you got a link to support your claim that the Dragons and Raiders NRL sides are merging?

If it eventuates in NSW cup could who knows from there, you guys like to merge as u cant stand alone...look on the bright side you can then claim 19 :lol:

The knight has been barbecuing you the last few days, I am here for you if you need a shoulder x

 

[Willow]

If it eventuates in NSW cup could who knows from there

Dodgy, the NSW Cup is a different competition to the NRL, and the 'news' is two months old, and it has since fallen over (no doubt much to Waider's relief).

You're just embarrassing yourself now.

Check your facts kid.

 

[juanfarkall]

using thofty logic, 50uffs and Norths merged a few years ago.




sixteen.

 

[Willow]

Rambo, what responses? You didn't answer my questions.

 

[SoftSydney]

Dodgy, the NSW Cup is a different competition to the NRL, and the 'news' is two months old, and it has since fallen over (no doubt much to Waider's relief).

You're just embarrassing yourself now.

Check your facts kid.

I am speculating that the possibility exists that you could merge again in the future as you cant seem to stand alone as a club..I didnt say it was fact.

I think its time you withdrew the 16 notion, do the right thing BBQ and admit its just a fantasy, admit your wrong and admit the lie.

You seem really stressed out mate!

 

[20knights10]

Rambo, what responses? You didn't answer my questions.

I did wallow... my weekend is going fine and I'm comfortable with my opinion that baron did not intentionally lie with his original gasnier claim... you wouldn't be deflecting again would you..?? :lol: