Ah f**k it. Balls deep time.
vote: Drew-sta
In the absence of any night action and amidst varying levels of inactivity, the best course of action is to be suspicious of those whose logic doesn't sit well with you for whatever reason. When someone's logic is wavering they're either being a silly bugger or are telling fibs. WarriorPoet's 'misread role PM' defence is only saved by his role-claim of Drew-sta for me at this point, so I'm left with Drew-sta.
I'm role claiming. Does that count for me?
FAQ
Q) Hi Apey, long time listener first time caller, why are you voting for Drew-sta?
A) Hello anonymous fan. This is a good question and I will elaborate right now.
Firstly, this has nothing to do with his
OMGUS vote, I didn't take that seriously at all, nor does it have anything to do with his initial post and vote for 9701. It doesn't really have anything to do with 9701 turning up town either, but rather his reasoning with regards to 9701.
My reasoning for 9701 was he no voted straight up. Just like Dutchy did in Classic mafia. Then he flip flopped to Hoppity (I wish I'd joined him now - hindsight is a bitch) and it looked sus.
Remember, I DIDN'T KILL 9701! A town vig did. I simply said he was suspicious.
However, he made an odd claim that
9701 never metas BM. This is false, 9701 does this on a regular basis. His warning that he may end up dead due to pretty much a nothing argument seemed like a very premature 'appeal to town'.
9701 said in a previous game (which I cannot locate the quote for) that he never meta'd BM.
Secondly, my 'appeal to town' was on the basis that if I was right, and ended up dead, to remember this. I was not coverying my ass. I was trying to suggest a cause effect.
Next, Drew is very quick to play the
framed card so early in the game. Setting up a defence before it is required seems strange to me. Interesting that the mafia didn't kill 9701, as that could paint Drew in a bad light. His post right after this didn't really make sense to me, either.
You would do the same, would you not? Kill 9701, make me look bad? I'm anticipating the moves mafia will make in order to limit their responses.
Secondly, mafia didn't kill 9701 as clearly they knew that it would create a possible lynch down the track. They were anticipating I'd go after 9701, get him lynched, and then look like a dumbass and get myself lynched. They WANT town bickering. That's what they will use to win.
Here, he makes the claim that mafia have a significant advantage whilst pushing 9701. With 5 mafia vs 20 town and 11 actions present in the game, this information being made public before Drew's post, I think this claim is suspiciously false.
Mafia have a significant advantage as most of town is vanilla. Night favours them. Does it not? How is my claim false?
It is the principle of mafia that coordinated attack by a minority has an advantage over a scattered defence by the ignorant majority.
That is the advantage they have. Am I wrong?
This post seemed rather unnecessarily bloodthirsty, even requesting the investigator to change his action and investigate 9701.
Agree it was bloodthirsy. I make no apologies that at the time I thought he was mafia. He turned up town, though, and I apologised.
I reckon he threw
this post out there as another 'appeal to town', offering to throw himself up as a lynch candidate when he
knew that was highly unlikely to happen, considering night had just finished and it was unknown whether any information had to come to light.
Are you kidding me? I'd be happy to go down for 9701's demise. The town vig obviously listened to my argument and acted. That's on my head. But claiming I am mafia on the basis of the logic you're putting forward is rediculous. You're reading into things that aren't there.
Drew made an odd comment in
this post, right at the bottom. Hoggmaster never voted in the mickyj lynch. He went after him further
here for example even though it was based on incorrect information. Furthermore, the lynch train wasn't orchestrated by Hoggmaster.
As I said in a previous post, you are right and Hogg didn't vote. He also didn't orchestrate the lynch, but he also was very wishy washy. His jumping on WP was, to me, a case of 'joining' a lynch train on very little. Which is usually what mafia do.
As
KTF pointed out, there was a bit of flip-flopping voting going on too
. In my opinion, Drew was playing his "I'm not sure if we should vote for them or not but ultimately votes for them anyway because he knows they're town" card until he got called out on it.
I did not play that card. I stupidly listened to Hoppity logic as well as cjtittys and followed it through. This was an error and I retracted my vote.
It's hard to distinguish whether Drew is being a silly town bugger or is mafia, but as I said to begin with, in the light of no information, my suspicions are those with faulty or flawed logic, so I'm sticking with my vote.
I'm genuinely trying to work it out. I'm going to make mistakes (9701 is clearly one). But I'm blue.
Q) But Apey, what if you're wrong?
Well, I'm not expecting or suggesting a lynchtrain should start from this. This is admittedly just suspicions and nothing more. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong, but I'm sticking with my vote unless something else more concrete comes up.
And yet tis is EXACTLY what has happened.
I am in favour of putting suspicions out there to get the ball rolling and generate discussion.
And this is EXACTLY what has not happened.
Apey's work should not go unrewarded. I still think that I am right about WP but Apey makes a number of good points using that fancy trick I like...logic.
changevote: drew
For the record I maintain my suspicions on WP, KTF and also pugz.
How is this not sticking out like dogs balls I'll never know!
BM is very happy to jump on lynches...
Do you purposefully look past the mafia being made up of Mis s**ts?
Derpsta (character) isn't one of them. Dumbface.
My role claim is one of town's dead. Is anyone disagreeing with it?
I already said that about Drew.
As Apey pointed out, Drew did almost set up his defense beforehand. For the record he did this in Classic mafia too when he set up his "derp prediction".
Anticipating the result is not setting up a defence. There's a difference. In Classic mafia I never ever claimed I'd die in my defences. In this game I am almost banking on being off'd.
I've lost count of the amount of blue I've gotten lynched based on apparent sound reasoning while playing as mafia.
Not suggesting for a second Apey is mafia, but switching from "responsible for town death is bad" to "you offered reasoning, you may lynch town" is as flip floppity pancake as anything Drew did, just on the more aggressive side of the spectrum as opposed to the sitting on the fence Drew does.
AND YET YOU VOTE FOR ME!
I know how flip flopping looks. I err'd by doing it. But I am definitely not going to flip flop deliberately. If I learnt one lesson from soc in Classic, it was stick to your guns.
Check me out if you like, I'm mickyj.
Change Vote: Drew
Happy to go with the consensus, but still think BM is suspect.
C'mon, you're smarter than that Mis!
