Mitchell Moses is the new Benji Marshall

[BrotherJim05]

It actually sucks to be a Tigers fan right now.

A lot because we are getting carved and because of all the negative off field drama etc. But a lot because of the pessimism of the fans. Some of you are absolutely insufferable. Moses may be a bust. Sironen may be a bust. Brooks may be a bust. Our injuries may be due to horrible injury management.

But at why don't you just wait and watch things evolve rather than the constant doom and gloom? I'm not asking for blind optimism. I'm asking for realism. And at this stage, a lot of you are so f**king pessimistic that you're not realistic. It's to the point where I can't even read these forums anymore.

HERE HERE! I'm f**king over these whingers. If I wanted to listen to whingers I would have stayed with my hometown club of Manly (believe me, they are f**king whingers through and through).

People use facts to show anything. I'll show everyone a fact. Since the clubs inception we have:

Won more premierships than:

Souths
Titans
Raiders
Cowboys
Warriors
Sharks
Eels

We have won as many premierships as:

Bulldogs
Knights
Dragons
Panthers

We have received less wooden spoons than:

Cowboys
Panthers
Bulldogs
Rabbitohs
Eels
Knights
Roosters
Titans


Calm your tits everyone

 

[Tiger05]

Add me to the sick of the whingers group. I'm also sick of the our problem is the board club and the medical staff have no idea club and the Robbie Farah runs the club club.

 

[madunit]

In 14 years (2000-2013) we have been one of the top 8 defensive sides on 4 occasions
2004 (7th)
2009 (8th)
2010 (8th)
2011 (6th)

That is a statistic that is very telling and very indicative of a consistent and constant flaw in the entire coaching structure since day 1.

We have finished 9th or 10th 6 times in 14 years.

That is a statistic that is very telling and shows a mental weakness/deficiency in the entire structure of the club since day 1.

Every players want to win and succeed, but that desire to never give up is something that has very rarely been seen by this club in 14 years.

How many times have you ever thought to yourselves "Gee the Tigers look hungry tonight"

There has been only one season (2011) where we did not concede a score of 40 or more in a match all year

From 2000-2013
Scored 40-49 in a game = 17
Scored 50-59 in a game = 17
Scored 60+ in a game = 0
Conceded 40-49 in a game = 26
Conceded 50-59 in a game = 17
Conceded 60+ in a game = 2

After 14 (now 15) years of 'that'll do' it is very understandable why people are pessimists.

We have a great crop of juniors coming through. Yeah well, we heard that in 2004, it netted us a premiership and with the exception of 2 seasons, a decade of abject under-achieving.

And now again we are being told that we have great juniors coming through.

It's no surprise people are critical.

What changes have there been to the way the club is run?
What changes have there been to the medical/rehab facilities?
What changes have there been to the quality of coaching staff?
What changes have there been in the mentality of the club?
What changes have there been in the focus of the club and it's board?

It's all been the same shit since 2000 and with the exception of 3 seasons, it has got us to the point where we have barely made a shred of improvement on our debut season. Starts off full of hope, ends in a misery and consistent failures and we just miss out on a finals berth again by just 1-2 wins.

 

[Tiger05]

What changes have there been to the way the club is run?
What changes have there been to the medical/rehab facilities?
What changes have there been to the quality of coaching staff?
What changes have there been in the mentality of the club?
What changes have there been in the focus of the club and it's board?

1. We have had a couple of CEO's so I assume the club is being run differently.
2. There have been numerous changes to the conditioning team. I have no interest if the club has a rowing machine or not. I'm pretty confident that a pretty good conditioning routine can be created with minimal equipment. Anyone who has done any sort of exercise should know this.
3. Who really knows the answer to this question but objectively we had Tim Sheens as the coach and his record is pretty good. Its not like its the local high school coach.
4. Mentality ? Can this be quantified. A good question would be can any of your questions be quantified.
5. Focus of the club and the board ? To what end ? For what purpose ? How does this impact the players making tackles ?

I'm not trying to be difficult but sometimes a little thought needs to accompany criticisms in life in general. The problem is that the whingers just make up BS and don't back it up with quantifiable facts and some of the claims are simply crazy.

 

[madunit]

1. The club is in no way any better than the day it was formed. There are still far too many people from Balmain and Magpies at loggerheads, not just on the board, but amongst fans. The way the club has been run has failed to rectify this issue. This bullshit squabbling should not be an issue 15 years later ffs.

2. There is clearly some lack of resources/equipment/facilities/skilled professionals to adequately deal with injuries and rehab etc. The current CEO is even on record suggesting as much. I'd argue that our entire medical/rehab sector in 2014 would still be lagging behind a number of sides in 2000. That's not good enough.

3. Given that our defence has always been shithouse, inconsistent and unreliable, our on field performances are always uncertain, then it could be argued that our coaching staff are not getting enough out of the players.

4. The clubs mentality has never been 100% about growing, strengthening or improving Wests Tigers. It's had to much attention diverted to backroom squabbles over logo sizes, jumper colours, junior bases, crowd sizes etc etc. The amount of squabbles comparing the Balmain to the Wests side is debilitating and tiring and has been holding this club back for 15 f**king years now.

5. Even today, the club does not focus on the Wests Tigers future. if this had've happened at any point in time prior to now, we wouldn't be in a situation where the NRL has to organise it all for us AND sit on the board as well. This is the result of having no one leading the club. And as much as you will undoubtedly argue with this, no leadership at the top filters down through every level of the organisation and onto the field.

We had a doctor stick a needle into a nerve - he remained working with the club. WHY? no leadership
We have reports of assistant coaches white-anting the head coach - they remain at the club. WHY? no leadership
We have a captain avoiding press conferences and engaging in TV interviews criticising the club. WHY? no leadership

No one has control of this club.

 

[super_coach]

At the start of the year if I was told we were going to finish a win or two off the eight, I would have thought thats a good year, but in reflection its been a crappy year, except for a few outstanding efforts. Its been a few highs and plenty of lows. The good teams turn up three out of four, we turn up four a year. You only get consistency when you get a squad of players that are harden pros, at present we have some rookies,some very good and very average players

 

[Tiger05]

We had a doctor stick a needle into a nerve - he remained working with the club. WHY? no leadership
We have reports of assistant coaches white-anting the head coach - they remain at the club. WHY? no leadership
We have a captain avoiding press conferences and engaging in TV interviews criticising the club. WHY? no leadership

This is way too simplistic. Do you know the reality and complexity of these situations ?

Some examples might help - if you stick a needle into someone it can hit a nerve. These things happen. Another example would be who knows if the assistant coaches are doing anything of the sort and even it they are who says there won't be consequences ? The Farah situation has been commented on way too much however has he really done anything that bad ?

Like I said earlier there is a lot of crazy talk going on. Calm the f**k down. Take a pill. Watch the footy.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

1 Phenomenal season and 2 fantastic seasons. We don't seem to have passable seasons. Great seasons, poor seasons, or diabolical seasons.

Even in those two good seasons, we were only great for a 2-3 month period.

If I want my club not to be a rabble for more than three seasons THREE SEASONS out of 15, then so be it, I'm a whinger and glad to be one.

2005 seems to make it acceptable to accept failure, honestly I'm convinced a portion of our fan base do not care if we win or lose. We should be demanding better.

 

[Tiger05]

honestly I'm convinced a portion of our fan base do not care if we win or lose. We should be demanding better.

And yet the same muppets that cry all the time think its not Potters fault even though he plays 2 backrowers in the outside backs despite getting burned on multiple occasions doing the same thing.

In saying that I'm actually okay with Potter staying at the club but he needs to get some basics right.

As for wanting to win. I want to the club to win desperately. I just don't believe in making up crazy stories to explain why we are losing. I view whinging as more like crazy talk. I'd just like to see more fans that have some grip of reality.

 

[Matchball]

1. The club is in no way any better than the day it was formed. There are still far too many people from Balmain and Magpies at loggerheads, not just on the board, but amongst fans. The way the club has been run has failed to rectify this issue. This bullshit squabbling should not be an issue 15 years later ffs.

2. There is clearly some lack of resources/equipment/facilities/skilled professionals to adequately deal with injuries and rehab etc. The current CEO is even on record suggesting as much. I'd argue that our entire medical/rehab sector in 2014 would still be lagging behind a number of sides in 2000. That's not good enough.

3. Given that our defence has always been shithouse, inconsistent and unreliable, our on field performances are always uncertain, then it could be argued that our coaching staff are not getting enough out of the players.

4. The clubs mentality has never been 100% about growing, strengthening or improving Wests Tigers. It's had to much attention diverted to backroom squabbles over logo sizes, jumper colours, junior bases, crowd sizes etc etc. The amount of squabbles comparing the Balmain to the Wests side is debilitating and tiring and has been holding this club back for 15 f**king years now.

5. Even today, the club does not focus on the Wests Tigers future. if this had've happened at any point in time prior to now, we wouldn't be in a situation where the NRL has to organise it all for us AND sit on the board as well. This is the result of having no one leading the club. And as much as you will undoubtedly argue with this, no leadership at the top filters down through every level of the organisation and onto the field.

We had a doctor stick a needle into a nerve - he remained working with the club. WHY? no leadership
We have reports of assistant coaches white-anting the head coach - they remain at the club. WHY? no leadership
We have a captain avoiding press conferences and engaging in TV interviews criticising the club. WHY? no leadership

No one has control of this club.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.
Well done.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

As for wanting to win. I want to the club to win desperately. I just don't believe in making up crazy stories to explain why we are losing. I view whinging as more like crazy talk. I'd just like to see more fans that have some grip of reality.

The reality is we have plain sucked for 12 out of 15 years. That's nearly two f**king decades. So, if that makes me a whinger, so be it. It's not f**king good enough.

I'm sick of losing. I'm sick of not playing in the finals. I'm sick of being embarrassed to support this club.

 

[BuffaloRules]

You tell us you are sick of it, but keep watching every week.

Why torture yourself?

Are you a masochist?

 

[FootynRacing]

You tell us you are sick of it, but keep watching every week.

Why torture yourself?

Are you a masochist?

I think it's called being passionate for your team !!! We all hate losing but I know I could never not watch the game no matter how bad it gets.

 

[madunit]

because he supports the club.

He's not a fairweather fan who just walks away from the club because they aren't successful.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

You tell us you are sick of it, but keep watching every week.

Why torture yourself?

Are you a masochist?

I must be.

 

[magpie4ever]

16 team competition, if you (club) win 2 premierships in 30 years you (club) is running on average. We still have 14-15 years to run for that elusive 2nd title.

I'm back, what's up chumpions.

Shit, we are an ordinary football team at the moment.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

16 team competition, if you (club) win 2 premierships in 30 years you (club) is running on average. We still have 14-15 years to run for that elusive 2nd title.

We have failed to finish in the top half of a 16 team comp for 12 out of 15 years. It's not about winning another premiership at all, it's about being consistently competitive.

 

[magpie4ever]

We have failed to finish in the top half of a 16 team comp for 12 out of 15 years. It's not about winning another premiership at all, it's about being consistently competitive.

Hey Hybrid, as any Wests and Balmain (I think) fan will tell you, that ain't goin happen. We will have the occasionly good one and plenty of shite ones.

Hang in there, bound to have a good one within a decade.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Hey Hybrid, as any Wests and Balmain (I think) fan will tell you, that ain't goin happen. We will have the occasionly good one and plenty of shite ones.

Hang in there, bound to have a good one within a decade.

You are proving what I have believed for a while - because former Wests and Balmain fans were used to being shit for so long they have been conditioned to accept mediocrity.

Why should anyone be happy or satisfied with one good season every decade? Why can't we consistently be competitive, or at least strive to be? Is it unrealistic to expect to make the top 8 of a 16 comp more than three times in our existance? Surely f**king not? Surely this isn't too much to ask?

So many of our fans seem to just accept the fact that we are a losing club, as if this is the way it should be. It shouldn't be. We deserve better.

 

[Matchball]

You are proving what I have believed for a while - because former Wests and Balmain fans were used to being shit for so long they have been conditioned to accept mediocrity.

Why should anyone be happy or satisfied with one good season every decade? Why can't we consistently be competitive, or at least strive to be? Is it unrealistic to expect to make the top 8 of a 16 comp more than three times in our existance? Surely f**king not? Surely this isn't too much to ask?

So many of our fans seem to just accept the fact that we are a losing club, as if this is the way it should be. It shouldn't be. We deserve better.

Magpies were used to being caned every week to nil.
It's good old times for their supporters.