My Fear for Andrew Johns

[Corbin]

haha yeh true at least he isnt a bulldog...
but in my eyes i think Brad Fittler is just as good as Johns if not better...
i think brad should win the clive church hill medal too and should of won the dally m.

 

[panthersballboy]

He will come back as good as ever as long as he is injury free. The only thing that could affect his already legendary status is his team the Knights. They have lost a bit of talent and may drag him down. I think he is definately the greatest player of the modern era.

 

[Tuffnell]

Say what you will about Andrew Johns - the fact is that there has only ever been a very small handful of players like him.

He has the best passing, kicking and tactical game in the world, the strength of a forward and the ability to read a game like no other, with the possible exception of Peter Sterling in his day.

Desite his stumpy frame, he is also very quick around the field.

The thing that lets him down is probably his lack of graceful leadership at times.

Comparisons to Ricky Stuart are worth nothing because, as we all know, Ricky couldn't tackle to save his life. If he ever got into double figures in a match I'll walk to Bourke and back.

Johns will retire as one of the top 5 League players of all time and duly become a worthy immortal.

The fact that he's from Cessnock gives him bonus points. (Meant as a compliment to my home town)

 

[Kasper]

haha yeh true at least he isnt a bulldog...
but in my eyes i think Brad Fittler is just as good as Johns if not better...
i think brad should win the clive church hill medal too and should of won the dally m.

Exactly in your eyes, in your red, white and blue eyes.

 

[Corbin]

yeh i agree but brad fittler can match him.... and he is too worthy of becoming imortal

 

[Azkatro]

As good as Wally was he never had the skills to turn a game on his own when the rest of the team were preforming badly.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Goodnight, credibility :lol:

 

[taxidriver]

Doesn't even come close to Langer or Lewis

QLD bias and sour grapes.

Johns is ten times the footballer Langer ever was.

 

[Mighty Tiger]

Johns is ten times the footballer Langer ever was.

Yeah Johns knows how to Tackle and unlike the Tripster Langer ;-)

 

[Ryan_Loves_Broncos]

Well atleast Langer didn't keep getting injured all through out his career.

 

[Mighty Tiger]

You left a few of his traits out

- he is a wanker
- he is a wanker
- he is over-rated as a player
- he will go ordinary next season
- he is a wanker
- he won at least the eqivilent of one of those Dally M's off the back of the media frenzy that love him
- he is a real massive wanker
- he hasnt been the same since Matty Johns left newcastle


ohh and did i mention that he is a wanker?

Whats wrong ??? Did he not offer to lend you a hand ????

I would say do it yourself but its abit hard when you have nothing in the 1st place

 

[borat]

As good as Wally was he never had the skills to turn a game on his own when the rest of the team were preforming badly.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Goodnight, credibility :lol:

Azkatro, you may kiss the arse of that bronze statue every day as your morning ritual but league fans who don't reside in the ordinary state don't feel the need to exaggerate Wally's ability. Wayne Bennett certainly knew when to get rid of him.

Do you seriously beleive that Wally lewis had better skills than Johns. That Doesn't mean Johns is or was a better player as I beleive Wally lewis's best attributes was his heart and determination to succeed.

But if you were relying on a player to chip and chase in their own half, regather, step around 3 and kick into the corner on a 50c piece for your winger, my money would be on Johns any day of the week. Wally just wasn't that sort of player.

 

[Broncodroid]

Doesn't even come close to Langer or Lewis

QLD bias and sour grapes.

Johns is ten times the footballer Langer ever was.

Let's take a step back and review this comment.

First of all, I am a Queenslander who is lauding the great Andrew Johns. He does come close to Lewis and Langer in which I believe he may have exceeded little Alf (my favourite player of all time) and is on par with Lewis if not bettering him when looking at all facets of Rugby League.

Secondly, I will not sit here and let this go by: "Johns is ten times the footballer Langer ever was."

The above is written obviously from someone who did not see Allan Langer from 87' onward. I forgive you if this was the case but have to say why make such a BS comment if you cannot make the fair call looking at Alf from the start of his career to the finish.

Allan Langer is a 4 time captain of a premiership winning football team in which like Johns, has won every major award out there for the individual. Like Johns, Langer was the heart and soul of whatever team he was playing for and was able to carry the Bronco's, QLD or Australia on his back with sheer determination and brilliance.

We are talking about a guy who took Johns to school in his comeback for QLD fresh off the plane from the UK when Johns was at his prime and Johns has gone on record to say Alf in all contests against each other, may have pipped him.

Do not for one minute think Allan Langer in ANY era could not hold his own with anyone to wear the number 7. Alf was a different player from Stuart or Johns, where they used peerless passing / kicking skills to dominate a game, Langer relied on individual brilliance to bust a game open. To this day, there is not better exponent of the short kicking game than Alf.

I rate Johns JUST ahead of Alfie as tackling wise, Johns is as good as any defender in the game and his long kicking game was better not to mention goalkicking wise he holds his own.

Langer is on par or bettering Johns when it comes to leadership, footballing brain, gamebreaking ability and the ability to come up big when his team needed him too.

To say Johns is 10 times the footballer than Allan Langer is a slap in the face from a young fan who was not privledged enough to see the little big man dominate Rugby League for over a decade.

 

[Johns Magic]

haha yeh true at least he isnt a bulldog...
but in my eyes i think Brad Fittler is just as good as Johns if not better...
i think brad should win the clive church hill medal too and should of won the dally m.

How old are you...

 

[tiger_nick]

[We are talking about a guy who took Johns to school in his comeback for QLD fresh off the plane from the UK when Johns was at his prime

Wasnt Kimmorley the halfback for New South Wales that game?

 

[taxidriver]

To say Johns is 10 times the footballer than Allan Langer is a slap in the face from a young fan who was not privledged enough to see the little big man dominate Rugby League for over a decade.

Thanks for the compliment regarding my age, sadly for me I'm old enough to have seen Langers (and Wally's) entire career

My comments were obviously incendiary but were written in response to some absolute tripe regarding Andrew Johns.

The debate was on the merits of the Johns as a footballer, a player who as you said has achieved everything in the game.

Johns achieved his success with a Newcastle team that included some fairly average footballers, players who would have had fairly pedestrian careers were made to look above average due to his sublime skills.

Johns lacks nothing from his game, defence, running, passing, kicking, vision - he has it all.

Langer achieved his success in a team full of the cream of QLD football, a remarkable career for sure but for my money he didn't have the total package that I believe Johns possesses.

'ten times the footballer" was an overstatement but to suggest that Johns is not in the same class is even more ridiculous.

 

[Kris_man]

I rate Johns JUST ahead of Alfie as tackling wise

maybe if Joey used the old "hold 'em and trip 'em" technique he'd be able to imporve his tackling :roll: . didn't Alfie break his leg trying to trip someone over?

 

[blaine train]

yeah, langer has as much chance of being an immortal as Reg Raegan.
Its good to see your writing Johns off when he still has 2 years remaining in the game too. Good call. Johns is hands down the most talented player in the game over at least the last 25 years and still has the opportunity to go out an immortal if injury doesn't rob him of that chance.

You Broncos supporters live in you own little shortsighted world.

langer never needed forwards going forward to be dominant. johns struggled. ive never seen johns stand up against a dominant halfback. in 2002 langer was sick the first game and played crap and johns awsome. the next two games alfie played awsome and johns was nowhere to be seen. ask numerous former player who they would prefer and they'd say alfie. had more raw skill than johns. i still rank johns second but im only young so i havent seen the rapers and so-on

 

[Broncodroid]

I rate Johns JUST ahead of Alfie as tackling wise

maybe if Joey used the old "hold 'em and trip 'em" technique he'd be able to imporve his tackling :roll: . didn't Alfie break his leg trying to trip someone over?

Do not let some member forum vote in nominating you as Quinny's Power Poster top 6, edabomb's no.1 poster and 2004 Silver Boogs for Best Newbie allow you to believe you can simply paraphrase myself or any other member for that matter. The full quote was:


I rate Johns JUST ahead of Alfie as tackling wise, Johns is as good as any defender in the game and his long kicking game was better not to mention goalkicking wise he holds his own.

Which led to;

Langer is on par or bettering Johns when it comes to leadership, footballing brain, gamebreaking ability and the ability to come up big when his team needed him too.

I made no mention of Langer's debatable tackling technique as you can see. My argument was WHY I rate Johns ahead of Langer. Read the post in it's entirety before attempting to :roll: myself.

As for taxidriver, who is arguing this:

"'ten times the footballer" was an overstatement but to suggest that Johns is not in the same class is even more ridiculous." ?

I am saying Johns is not 10 times better than Allan Langer, that as you say is an overstatement, but clearly incorrect which was why I compelled to argue the point on why Langer was on par if not just below Johns.

 

[Raider_69]

You left a few of his traits out

- he is a wanker
- he is a wanker
- he is over-rated as a player
- he will go ordinary next season
- he is a wanker
- he won at least the eqivilent of one of those Dally M's off the back of the media frenzy that love him
- he is a real massive wanker
- he hasnt been the same since Matty Johns left newcastle


ohh and did i mention that he is a wanker?

How many of your 16,000+ posts are actually worth reading it must be said ?

I will ask a rhetorical question to the Admin team...if there was no such thing as posts counts, would members willing to bring intelligent, thoughtful posts have to put up with such jibberish ?

[Where is this so called 'ignore' button]

I like you Miamiasaurus...

Raider69, Johns' best season was far and away 2001, where he carved all and sundry up (even more than usual) with a useless f***ing 5/8th. Keep it closed.

And i'll bet money you've never met Johns, and you're just one of those people who has a 'friend' who's saw him in Newcastle causing trouble... Every time he goes out people try to start fights with him, i've seen it happen at least 3 times at the Cranker.

incorrect, met him twice, first time he seemed alright but he was a prick 2nd time... i know alot of newcastle people and some of the things ive been told about the bloke and not just by one person, but heaps says to me is a tool... i cant repeat most of it because i have no proof and such alligations could land this site into alot of trouble

fact is my opinion is, he is a wanker and over-rated to boot... he is no where near as goods as people make him out to be, he goes great when they are in control, but once things start to go bad, its a cramp here and a hobble there and opps theres goes my mouth guard

he is a wanker, pure and simple, he hasnt got anything on Wally Lewis, who ever said that had got rocks in his head

 

[borat]

yeah, langer has as much chance of being an immortal as Reg Raegan.
Its good to see your writing Johns off when he still has 2 years remaining in the game too. Good call. Johns is hands down the most talented player in the game over at least the last 25 years and still has the opportunity to go out an immortal if injury doesn't rob him of that chance.

You Broncos supporters live in you own little shortsighted world.

langer never needed forwards going forward to be dominant. johns struggled. ive never seen johns stand up against a dominant halfback. in 2002 langer was sick the first game and played crap and johns awsome. the next two games alfie played awsome and johns was nowhere to be seen. ask numerous former player who they would prefer and they'd say alfie. had more raw skill than johns. i still rank johns second but im only young so i havent seen the rapers and so-on

Ask numerous former players? Webcke & Tallis. You only have to look at what happens to Newcastle when Johns isn't avaialbale to see what he does for any team. Johns lifts that side on his own back and does not rely on the forwards to do so.

If your waiting for Alfie to be named an immortal I wouldn't hold you breath. John's kicking game, passing game and overall talent to beat a player is still better than Alfies was. One successful SOO series in 02 doesn't suddenly make Alfie an immortal and Johns crap. If you have never seen Johns stand up against another halfabck than you have seen bugger all football.