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Nani > Ribery and Robben

WireMan

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Typical moron who has nothing other than two videos to back up his claims. Because apparently when his team is dominated, in the first game of the season for his team, that must be the best example. :lol:

Bale is a better player in almost every aspect of wing play. Nani is a better finisher, had better ball control and is more skillful. Funnily enough, you didn't even mention any of the parts of my post that exposé your baseless argument as nothing more than blind bias.
I know who Pep Guardiola, Jose Mourinho and a whole load of other coaches think is the better winger.

So your argument that Nani is a better crosser stems from the fact he is better on his right foot than Bale is on his, despite the fact Bale's crosses on his left are consistently far superior to what Nani produces?
The story of Spurs last season was that our target men - most commonly Crouch and Pavlyuchenko - couldn't finish anywhere near what was required of them. The amount of chances that Bale set up last year that they scuffed was astronomical. That he only had 3 assists was poor but given that he was far more likely to stay out wide and cross to strikers who can't finish is more indicative of how he has evolved his game this season more than anything else.
It's why using the game at the start of the season as the focus of your argument is absolutely laughable.

And again, you seem to think one game is indicative of a player's season or their ability. Going off that logic, Nani must be the worst winger in the EPL because he was dismal against Blackburn and couldn't deliver a quality cross for his life. I don't even have to talk about the Newcastle game do I?
Bale was poor against Swansea too. He improved significantly in the second half of the WBA game recently. Before those games, he blitzed Norwich.

But no, here's the part where one video equates to multiple season's worth of play, most of which isn't shown on highlights videos.
Come back when you have something to cling to.
I don't know why you bother honestly, he'll, I'd David Silva counts as a winger then he makes both of them look like numpties anyway!

Yes i'm a typical moron.

All i have is my opinion that Nani is dangerous on both feet, can beat a guy and threaten from anywhere on the pitch and actual video footage of Bale agaisnt United to try to demonstrate that Bale is limited as a footballer (what he does, he does well, its just not that much compared to the best players).

All you have is your opinion that Bale is a good athlete can cross a bit and is a good defender.


Your right though, Bale was world class against Norwich. How silly of me.

You win...
 

boxhead

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Oh dear.
So despite Bale being a better crosser, better in the physical attributes that are very important to modern wingers, and being able to cover more positions, your entire argument comes down to one example?
I see you still haven't replied to me claiming that Bale is better in every aspect of winger's play that has been mentioned bar finishing, dribbling and skill.
I see you ignore my point on taking the form of one game by comparing the recent form of both despite the fact Bale tore apart Arsenal, Liverpool, Newcastle and also excelled against Chelsea in between disposing of pretty much every right back in the EPL?

So Nani can beat players but Bale can't. Uh-huh.
Maicon, Sergio Ramos, Bacary Sagna, Bosingwa and a long list of other players want your sympathy. And Bale's.

Riiight....Bale is limited as a footballer because if his first game of the season at Old Trafford with no Modric, King and co in sight.
The fact that he has been excelling on the left, right and in the centre by continuing to evolve his already powerful game means he is limited. Your logic is so hugely flawed that I'm beginning to tear up in sheer delightful laughter.

Bale actually can use his right foot, funnily enough. Nani is better on his right than Bale is but Bale is much better on his left than Nani is. I recall Bale scored a memorable cracker against Chelsea a few seasons ago when he was still very much off the draft. It happened to be on his right. He scores some with his right, he can pass and still find a man in the box with his right.

Oh I see, Nani is threatening from everywhere on the pitch but Bale isn't. Just like he pranced through the centre of the field to score a chip, or scoring and assisting from corners with his head, or dancing in from the right, or leaving right backs for dead season-long on the left. Not to mention he's great for a counter and can score from close or at range pretty effectively.

Have you watched Spurs at all this season bar that one game?
I'm guessing you feel that the one game is qualification enough for a justifiable argument. Clearly.
 
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boxhead

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I'm still waiting to hear how Nani is apparently faster, stronger, more athletic, a better crosser and a better passer than Bale.
 
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Are we really going to go down this road again? Let me just save you and everybody else the trouble.

Me: 4 European Cups
You: 1999
Me: We won in a row what ManUre have won in their entire history
You: When was the last time Bayern won?
Me: 2001
You: 1999
Me: 4 European Cups
You: When was the last time Bayern won?
Me: 2001
Doga: Nani
Me: :lol:
You 1999
Me: 4 European Cups
Doga: Nani
Me: :lol:
You: When was the last time Bayern won
Me: 2001
WireMan: Jonny Evans
Me: :lol:
Pennywisealfie: :lol:
You: 1999
Me: smh
You: 1999
Me: 2010
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/thread

destroyed.
 

WireMan

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I'm still waiting to hear how Nani is apparently faster, stronger, more athletic, a better crosser and a better passer than Bale.

I'm not saying it again.

Just trust me, Bale is very good at what he does, Nani is just better. ;-)
 

boxhead

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Typical.
Once you feel that you cannot continue an argument through a dearth of knowledge or logic, you attempt to convince the one you argue with to halt through the casual insistence of a disproved point sporting an underlying tone of superiority.

I'll take having a player the best manager in the world wants to Nani, thanks.
 

WireMan

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Typical.
Once you feel that you cannot continue an argument through a dearth of knowledge or logic, you attempt to convince the one you argue with to halt through the casual insistence of a disproved point sporting an underlying tone of superiority.

I'll take having a player the best manager in the world wants to Nani, thanks.

The best manager in the world doesn't want Nani because he already has him, he'd probably take Bale now, we have an injury crisis after all... ;-)


I'm not repeating the same argument.
I can do no more than say why Nani is better, show a vid to show Bale against a top team and explain why Nani is the better winger. He is more skillful, more dangerous crossing and scoring on both feet, just as quick over the distance, much sharper reactions.


So i'm going to spin it.

Prove that Bale is better. No smilies, no insults, no deflection.

Fact me so we can discuss or i'm out the debate with you.
 

boxhead

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I'll fact you when you provide me with facts other than one video.
You can look up his games VS Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Newcastle recently, I won't bother posting them because you won't watch them anyway.
Even though any person with half a brain will tell you Bale is a better crosser.

You go on about facts but twist your argument over slander that any football fan would disagree with whilst providing one measly example whilst ignoring my direction to the Blackburn and Newcastle games United were involved in recently.

You are a pathetic hypocrite and you still can't back up anything you say either.
And I had to laugh at your SAF comment. Guardioka is the best manager in the world right now and over the past four-five seasons, which is conducive to this argument as there have been many reports that Barcelona want Bale.

But because I am being generous, I'll give you these.
And a final :lol: at you believing Nani is as quick as Bale over distance. Bale happens to be in the model of a distance runner.

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&s...uMD5BQ&usg=AFQjCNFrImFLVLDKM_bSFhDzWAGAjiodaw

How many does he beat there? How often does he push players off, cut in field and manage to deliver crosses in?

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&hl=en-GB&gl=GB#/watch?v=fo_u-diK2Tg

How often does he pop up in multiple roles? How fast is he again?

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&hl=en-GB&gl=GB#/watch?v=Oe3RE-Q674M

He makes Sagna and Jenkinson (?) both look llike amateurs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...leaders-after-brace-against-Norwich-City.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...watch-Gareth-Bale-Spurs-beat-Aston-Villa.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2080091/Barcelona-want-Gareth-Bale.html

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/footba...-by-barcelona-during-tottenhams-win-at-fulham

Articles about his pace and Guardiola's interest.
 

WireMan

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Prove that Bale is better. No smilies, no insults, no deflection.

Fact me so we can discuss or i'm out the debate with you.

I'll fact you when you provide me with facts other than one video.
You can look up his games VS Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Newcastle recently, I won't bother posting them because you won't watch them anyway.
Even though any person with half a brain will tell you Bale is a better crosser.

You go on about facts but twist your argument over slander that any football fan would disagree with whilst providing one measly example whilst ignoring my direction to the Blackburn and Newcastle games United were involved in recently.

You are a pathetic hypocrite and you still can't back up anything you say either.

You couldn't do it.

I'm out.
 

boxhead

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You couldn't do it.

I'm out.

All those videos, articles and opinion pieces too much for you to handle?
:lol: I posted more evidence and "facts" than you ever provided in your argument.
You seemed to ignore almost every single point I made, so I assume I was correct regarding the majority of my argument.
And yes, you are a hypocrite because you used one video to show how "limited" Bale is after going on arrogantly about one having to provide facts to support ones argument, despite you yourself using very little.

It's just a pathetic excuse to back out of an argument you know you are out of your depth in.

Oh I see, because I called you a pathetic hypocrite and implied you were stupid, you backed out, regardless of the progress of the argument. Pointing out the hypocrisy of someone is less an insult and more a characterization or implication. But I guess the pathetic part got to you, you know, because basing your argument on one almost irrelevant video and turning around to say that I had to supply a range of facts really was anything more than what I implied?

Implying you had half a brain was uncalled for.
But then, you didn't match the majority of points I made with anything but an arrogant indifference, insisting upon a point multiple times without bothering to back it up.
Like how I discussed in detail how Bale was superior to Nani in several areas, how Bale had evolved his play this season, and how Bale has become far more diverse.
But no, all you replied with was that Nani was dangerous on both feet, can apparently play more roles and is a better finisher. Whilst the last point is certainly true, the other two points you made don't include that Bale has a better left foot in terms of crossing and in general play, that Bale can actually cover every position Nani can except as a striker, though Bale can be played at left fullback.

But no. Nothing at all other than one video that proves to you Bale only has a good left foot and has pace.
Let's get some opinion pieces and reviews going.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/227484
They talk about his capability to effectively play on the left, right and in the centre.

http://m.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story/2012/01/02/wonderous-welsh-wingers/
A well written article that moots any point about a player having to have been in a successful team or have won trophies to be considered a fantastic or great player. This is also relevant for the idiots arguing about the difference in UCL titles for Nani and Robben.

I would post a link to an EPL/ManU forum but it isn't allowed I believe.
It do happens that the majority of posters in the topic I wished to link to we're raving about Bale. In fact, a grouping of them believe that under SAF he could very well develop into the next Cristiano Ronaldo. I found that to be a massive stretch, but the key point that most understand but you ignore is Bale's age - he is only 22. Most pundits believe he has a lot of growth in him, which makes sense. He's certainly got the physical presence of Ronaldo, but the skill-set is pbviously another issue. Interesting to note that those that made the comparisons to Ronaldo expressed how Ronaldo started as an out-and-out winger at United but with age began to develop into more roles and become the player he is now.

Bale isn't at that level yet but I'd argue he is presently a better player than Nani and in a few seasons could well be considered the best left midfielder in the world. Again though, it's a stretch.
 
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All those videos, articles and opinion pieces too much for you to handle?
:lol: I posted more evidence and "facts" than you ever provided in your argument.
You seemed to ignore almost every single point I made, so I assume I was correct regarding the majority of my argument.
And yes, you are a hypocrite because you used one video to show how "limited" Bale is after going on arrogantly about one having to provide facts to support ones argument, despite you yourself using very little.

It's just a pathetic excuse to back out of an argument you know you are out of your depth in.

Oh I see, because I called you a pathetic hypocrite and implied you were stupid, you backed out, regardless of the progress of the argument. Pointing out the hypocrisy of someone is less an insult and more a characterization or implication. But I guess the pathetic part got to you, you know, because basing your argument on one almost irrelevant video and turning around to say that I had to supply a range of facts really was anything more than what I implied?

Implying you had half a brain was uncalled for.
But then, you didn't match the majority of points I made with anything but an arrogant indifference, insisting upon a point multiple times without bothering to back it up.
Like how I discussed in detail how Bale was superior to Nani in several areas, how Bale had evolved his play this season, and how Bale has become far more diverse.
But no, all you replied with was that Nani was dangerous on both feet, can apparently play more roles and is a better finisher. Whilst the last point is certainly true, the other two points you made don't include that Bale has a better left foot in terms of crossing and in general play, that Bale can actually cover every position Nani can except as a striker, though Bale can be played at left fullback.

But no. Nothing at all other than one video that proves to you Bale only has a good left foot and has pace.
Let's get some opinion pieces and reviews going.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/227484
They talk about his capability to effectively play on the left, right and in the centre.

http://m.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story/2012/01/02/wonderous-welsh-wingers/
A well written article that moots any point about a player having to have been in a successful team or have won trophies to be considered a fantastic or great player. This is also relevant for the idiots arguing about the difference in UCL titles for Nani and Robben.

I would post a link to an EPL/ManU forum but it isn't allowed I believe.
It do happens that the majority of posters in the topic I wished to link to we're raving about Bale. In fact, a grouping of them believe that under SAF he could very well develop into the next Cristiano Ronaldo. I found that to be a massive stretch, but the key point that most understand but you ignore is Bale's age - he is only 22. Most pundits believe he has a lot of growth in him, which makes sense. He's certainly got the physical presence of Ronaldo, but the skill-set is pbviously another issue. Interesting to note that those that made the comparisons to Ronaldo expressed how Ronaldo started as an out-and-out winger at United but with age began to develop into more roles and become the player he is now.

Bale isn't at that level yet but I'd argue he is presently a better player than Nani and in a few seasons could well be considered the best left midfielder in the world. Again though, it's a stretch.

last time bale played against manchester united we shut him down pretty easily
 

Twizzle

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Bale is a kid and entitled to have a few off games.

He is slowly becoming more consistent now and I think he is progressing nicely.

He has a bit to go before he achieves the level of some of the other players mentioned imo.
 

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