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funny how the games you lose never matter
we have lost many games that matter but losing a comp that means less that charity shield doesnt matter
funny how the games you lose never matter
All those videos, articles and opinion pieces too much for you to handle?
:lol: I posted more evidence and "facts" than you ever provided in your argument.
You seemed to ignore almost every single point I made, so I assume I was correct regarding the majority of my argument.
And yes, you are a hypocrite because you used one video to show how "limited" Bale is after going on arrogantly about one having to provide facts to support ones argument, despite you yourself using very little.
It's just a pathetic excuse to back out of an argument you know you are out of your depth in.
Oh I see, because I called you a pathetic hypocrite and implied you were stupid, you backed out, regardless of the progress of the argument. Pointing out the hypocrisy of someone is less an insult and more a characterization or implication. But I guess the pathetic part got to you, you know, because basing your argument on one almost irrelevant video and turning around to say that I had to supply a range of facts really was anything more than what I implied?
Implying you had half a brain was uncalled for.
But then, you didn't match the majority of points I made with anything but an arrogant indifference, insisting upon a point multiple times without bothering to back it up.
Like how I discussed in detail how Bale was superior to Nani in several areas, how Bale had evolved his play this season, and how Bale has become far more diverse.
But no, all you replied with was that Nani was dangerous on both feet, can apparently play more roles and is a better finisher. Whilst the last point is certainly true, the other two points you made don't include that Bale has a better left foot in terms of crossing and in general play, that Bale can actually cover every position Nani can except as a striker, though Bale can be played at left fullback.
But no. Nothing at all other than one video that proves to you Bale only has a good left foot and has pace.
Let's get some opinion pieces and reviews going.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/227484
They talk about his capability to effectively play on the left, right and in the centre.
http://m.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story/2012/01/02/wonderous-welsh-wingers/
A well written article that moots any point about a player having to have been in a successful team or have won trophies to be considered a fantastic or great player. This is also relevant for the idiots arguing about the difference in UCL titles for Nani and Robben.
I would post a link to an EPL/ManU forum but it isn't allowed I believe.
It do happens that the majority of posters in the topic I wished to link to we're raving about Bale. In fact, a grouping of them believe that under SAF he could very well develop into the next Cristiano Ronaldo. I found that to be a massive stretch, but the key point that most understand but you ignore is Bale's age - he is only 22. Most pundits believe he has a lot of growth in him, which makes sense. He's certainly got the physical presence of Ronaldo, but the skill-set is pbviously another issue. Interesting to note that those that made the comparisons to Ronaldo expressed how Ronaldo started as an out-and-out winger at United but with age began to develop into more roles and become the player he is now.
Bale isn't at that level yet but I'd argue he is presently a better player than Nani and in a few seasons could well be considered the best left midfielder in the world. Again though, it's a stretch.
Bale is a kid and entitled to have a few off games.
He is slowly becoming more consistent now and I think he is progressing nicely.
He has a bit to go before he achieves the level of some of the other players mentioned imo.
Can you just list the points you are actually making, as to why Bale better than Nani and the best winger in the prem without the wall of text and we'll discuss.
No insults, no smilies, no misdirection.
Please no links to a daily star discusion. Or links to rumours that maybe Barca possibly want him.
Fact me. What does Bale bring to the table that is so world class, that Nani couldn't. Make it bullet points.
Of course he does. He may get there, he may not.
He hasn't made it yet, and a good game against Norwich isn't proof. His few games off all come agaisnt good defences. He has the tools, but so do lots of people.
Tonight he plays the plastic scousers, the kind of game he should dominate if he wants to make it as a great.
I thought his performance against inter at the San Siro a year or so back was of a high class winger.
I thought his performance against inter at the San Siro a year or so back was of a high class winger.
Why should I when you won't?
I posted several videos and other articles which you conveniently ignored.
Poor little WireMan cant even back up his own points and live of argument ("facts") when they hit him in the face.
One of those videos and those related to it will show Bale terrorizing Arsenal.
You want something that shows he can do well against "a good defence".
Considering the goals conceded chart, he's terrorized Aston Villa, broken Chelsea, and ripped up Liverpool.
I really can't stop laughing, FMD you only mention the Norwich game as if it's the only good game he played in your eyes.
"Fact me" and respond to my argument, your attempts at waving my points off are nothing more than a sad attempt to disguise your lack of a real argument or ground to stand on.
Here's some more for your viewing pleasure.
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&s...89DhBQ&usg=AFQjCNH2H086khO-o-kYnag21UweHmNwOQ
Now considering that since then, he has become more likely to switch flanks on the fly - and at will - as well as improving his finishing and shot accuracy (look it up), as well as becoming more inclined to cut in field, is suggest your insinuation that he merely has a good left foot and has pace is baseless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMRj7nfLzac
He displays scintillating pace and crossing ability, as well as the ability to beat his marker with finesse or - as he commonly does - despite being double marked by two right-backs for at least half the game, one of them being Alan Hutton.
Compare those videos to more recent performances.
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&s...r6DnBQ&usg=AFQjCNFLEQ1VhMcnGfnAIBvhi5uISZKYzQ
He displays new capabilities that he didn't appear to realize earlier. In the first half he, as well as the rest of the team, we're kept relatively quiet, due largely to the absence of Spurs' two key playmakers. In the second half, under Harry's instruction, he and Lennon switched flanks to confound the oppositions' defensive tactics. The two, particularly Lennon, began to exert themselves more and added more effective width to the attack. As you can see, Bale was very capable on the right.
Let's look at the Norwich game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo_u-diK2Tg
Rather than being instructed by Harry to switch flanks, Bale begins to do so at will and excels in his adapter rołes. He also shows great aptitude to play a central position in a roving role on either flank, very similar to that of Lionel Messi currently at Barcelona. I don't need to comment on his pace, crossing and finishing here do I?
Go on.
It was arguably the best performance of a left winger in 2010 (the calender year) over a two-legged tie.
But I thought talking about it was taboo?
Because Maicon is a terrible defender :sarcasm:
I recall him being focal against Arsenal in the Emirates clash last season.
The point though is that he has added so much more to his game since then.
Yeah i often notice a Messi like style to Bales play also. Its impossible to tell the players apart sometimes...
sorry about this. :lol: :crazy: :lol:
Anyways now that is of my chest.
Nani is better at:
Being two footed
Left wing cutting in
Right wing going outside to cross
Right wing cutting in to shoot
More skillful
Flair/Beating his man
Reactions
Short passing game
Looking like Mickey Jackson
Bale is better at:
Running in a straight line for 90 mins after a ball he kicked miles infront of him
Crossing with his one good foot
Being a middle distance runner
Being a defender
Running.
Being one footed
Running somemore
Being Welsh
Run Bale Run
Having the same surname name as the Batman actor
Nice left foot.
Can you add anything to those lists?
If you want someone to play left back or run the 1500m then Bale is your man. If you want a dangerous winger who can play with either foot on either wing with the flexibility to play inside then Nani is your man.
What the hell was that West Brom vid all about. You just showed that he didn't do a lot on the left, did less on the right, even when the game got stretched, he is very one footed and can float a corner in. It was worse than the United vid that i liked to. At lest in that he was up against the Champions. Did you even watch it?
I reckon if i searched hard enough i'd find a vid of Nani doing well against Arsenal. That well known water tight defensive unit.
Fml, if that's how long your reply is i can't wait to see how long boxhead's is.
I was going to say something but that would break one of my new found forum rules.
Don't reply to the boxhead.
Arguing used to be fun. When it lasted 10-15 minutes.
edit: fwiw, i would kill to have Bale at Arsenal. Tired of watching tards like Theo and Gervinho f**k up chance after chance.
Yeah i often notice a Messi like style to Bales play also. Its impossible to tell the players apart sometimes...
sorry about this. :lol: :crazy: :lol:
Anyways now that is of my chest.
Nani is better at:
Being two footed
Left wing cutting in
Right wing going outside to cross
Right wing cutting in to shoot
More skillful
Flair/Beating his man
Reactions
Short passing game
Looking like Mickey Jackson
Bale is better at:
Running in a straight line for 90 mins after a ball he kicked miles infront of him
Crossing with his one good foot
Being a middle distance runner
Being a defender
Running.
Being one footed
Running somemore
Being Welsh
Run Bale Run
Having the same surname name as the Batman actor
Nice left foot.
Can you add anything to those lists?
If you want someone to play left back or run the 1500m then Bale is your man. If you want a dangerous winger who can play with either foot on either wing with the flexibility to play inside then Nani is your man.
What the hell was that West Brom vid all about. You just showed that he didn't do a lot on the left, did less on the right, even when the game got stretched, he is very one footed and can float a corner in. It was worse than the United vid that i liked to. At lest in that he was up against the Champions. Did you even watch it?
I reckon if i searched hard enough i'd find a vid of Nani doing well against Arsenal. That well known water tight defensive unit.
The Messi comparison was another snap at Bale's "die-hard" brigade, FMD you can find some crazy crap on Spurs forums - hell, not just Spurs forums, but rival forums too. That Messi crap came from the fingers of a dozen United fans!
Pretty funny though, knew it would be good bait.
Anyway....
I'll add some more.
Nani
Serial diver.
Face that I'd love to punch.....and then steal.
Inconsistent crossing.
Lazy at times in my opinion.
Awesome footwork - blitzes Bale there.
Bale
Speed, speed and more speed.
Does cut in-field and can use his right foot or left foot on opposing flanks.
Goes missing.
Excellent crossing, dismal return.
Inconsistent mostly, you might say that of Nani but Bale is a perennial "one phenomenal game two silent games" player.
Good heading ability.
Danger from corners (receiving).
Big ears, weird face.
Your final note is touching.
You talk about Nani's ability to play either flank and come in field as if Bale doesn't have the same ability.
Funnily enough, his hot form this season has come mostly when he has been roving on either side.
And you insinuate that Bale isn't dangerous. Uh-huh. 7 goals and 8 assists in a team that has scored fewer goals than United, he has 1 more goal and 1 less assist than Nani this season and AFAIK he has played less games (might be wrong on that one).
I must have linked the wrong video. The one I watched and the footage I have on my IQ would beg to differ. As I mentioned, he was poor in the first half but improved in the second when he switched to the right.
I've mentioned several times that his right foot isn't as good as Nani's.
Just like Nani underperformed against Blackburn?
Both wingers go quiet. One is older, (perhaps) more mature and more experienced.
Bale has three years on Nani in terms of youth, that and he is still very inconsistent. He's showed more than enough glimpses and progress to suggest he will only get better with age, logically.
He was arguably the worst left fullback in the EPL and is now considered one of the top left wingers in the EPL. He broke out last season, earned rave reviews and was probably rightfully called overrated because he couldn't back up any good performance with a decent one. He's finding consistency and expanding his game.
If he isn't the best left winger in the EPL now then I'd wager he will be in a few seasons. And no, I'm not conceding defeat. Note the "if".
Unless of course you count Silva as a left winger, or Hazard or someone like that turns up.
I can't post links to forums. I'm not lying either, as much as you may think I am. That statement was made by United fans and Spurs fans. Pretty sure I read an article doing a detailed analysis that said as much too.
Bale isn't world class. Neither is Nani. Players like Iniesta, Robben, Messi, et al are world class.
As far as the EPL goes, I have every reason to believe Bale is the best winger in the league. Considering Nani is his opposition, can you blame me?
I "facted" you multiple times with multiple videos and articles. I have yet to see any more from you. You've deduced from one video your opinion about Bake obviously, because that's all the evidence you have posted despite incessantly demanding for me to do so myself.
Why should I bother when you are not doing it and being a hypocrite?
And no, my opinion is based on watching him play extensively over the past few years.
What do you have to back up your claims?
So you don't want to talk to me because I disagree with you, have broken down several of your points, and have provided far more video footage and articles from differing journalists about him?
Another BL striker dominating the EP£ - this time Papiss Cisse fresh off a plane from the Africa Cup is out winning EP£ games.
Goes from a relegation BL team to EP£ hot shit in one game :lol:
one goal in one game doesnt mean he is dominating the league
look at the other strikers than came from the bundesliga to the EPL who are duds
Berbatov