Nathan Brown Must Go.

[Steel Dragon]

Sign JT from Souths??

If hes willing to come - then HELL YEAH!!!

 

[Go Nulla]

Maybe Paul Langmack ?

 

[Dragonheart]

Is it a club policy?

A bit like those crappy soccer outfits the players have been wearing lately.

Christ, are they St. George Illawarra, or Manchester United?

 

[Father Ted]

That was their CEO in the late 90's I think.

That was Peter Gow and when Saints legend Barry Beath tried to stop him he was held from behind by an ex footballer (wanna be wrestler) and hammered from the front . Typical shire form .

 

[league]

A bit like those crappy soccer outfits the players have been wearing lately.

Christ, are they St. George Illawarra, or Manchester United?

Hey..watch what you say about soccer.....it's the world game..;-)

 

[big pat]

its a crying shame that a great club like saints is floundering, but while the club ceo & directors keep there in the sand nothing will change.

 

[dannyboy]

That was Peter Gow and when Saints legend Barry Beath tried to stop him he was held from behind by an ex footballer (wanna be wrestler) and hammered from the front . Typical shire form .

Its amazing how this story gets further embelishments as the years progress. Eventually it will be that Gow ran on to the field, rippped the jersey off the Saints GK as he was lining up a shot, kicked the ref in the nether region, near fatally stabbed Beath before turning on the jersey and then sold the remnants of the jersey on ebay with a complimentary date with his daughter.

 

[Willow]

What's your version Danny Boy?

 

[dannyboy]

See my above post...that'll do me.

 

[Dragonheart]

Sacking Brown won't achieve anything.

I was at the game in Canberra, of Friday night, and I gotta tell ya that I saw stuff all care factor from several of our players. When the Raiders winger made a bust in the first half and ran nearly the length of the field he had to run past half the Dragons players before he even got to open space.....and barely a hand on him. Add to that the fact that a couple of the guys chasing him were known to be a helluva lot quicker, and you gotta wonder why they gave up at the halfway line.

Don't tell me this is Brown's fault. He can coach them, apply motivational tools, even raise morale to almost fever pitch, but once on the field if the players aren't putting in then how is the coach to blame.

I took around 100 pics at that game, and I have one where the Raiders have just scored seconds before. Most of the Dragons are facing that way.....some are even still moving in that direction.....except Coops, who has his back to the play with a fairly obvious look of disgust about it all.

Body language is a fair indicator of a team's confidence, and determination....and at the moment the St. George Illawarra players are displaying some pretty piss poor body language.

 

[Drew-Sta]

Sacking Brown won't achieve anything.

I was at the game in Canberra, of Friday night, and I gotta tell ya that I saw stuff all care factor from several of our players. When the Raiders winger made a bust in the first half and ran nearly the length of the field he had to run past half the Dragons players before he even got to open space.....and barely a hand on him. Add to that the fact that a couple of the guys chasing him were known to be a helluva lot quicker, and you gotta wonder why they gave up at the halfway line.

Don't tell me this is Brown's fault. He can coach them, apply motivational tools, even raise morale to almost fever pitch, but once on the field if the players aren't putting in then how is the coach to blame.

I took around 100 pics at that game, and I have one where the Raiders have just scored seconds before. Most of the Dragons are facing that way.....some are even still moving in that direction.....except Coops, who has his back to the play with a fairly obvious look of disgust about it all.

Body language is a fair indicator of a team's confidence, and determination....and at the moment the St. George Illawarra players are displaying some pretty piss poor body language.

I respect your right to have an opinion, but you're completely wrong.

If you think Brown is not one of the major contributing factors to our current problems then you're obviously not watching the same team as I am.

 

[Dragonheart]

Mate, seriously, I don't believe for a second that he is guiltless in this. However, with the situation at the club right now anyone who believes just hiring another coach will make things right is dreaming.

My point was that the players are a bigger part of the blame. How it's the fault of Nathan Brown that our speedsters are not chasing down opposition players with a lot less speed, or hanging onto the ball, or connecting passes, or tackling properly, is beyond me.

Yes, he needs to, and apparently does, take the responsibility, but let's be honest about the player performance level....or lack of it. These are experienced, professional, first grade footballers who seem completely inept at performing the most basic of fundamental rugby league skills.

 

[Steel Dragon]

Mate, seriously, I don't believe for a second that he is guiltless in this. However, with the situation at the club right now anyone who believes just hiring another coach will make things right is dreaming.

My point was that the players are a bigger part of the blame. How it's the fault of Nathan Brown that our speedsters are not chasing down opposition players with a lot less speed, or hanging onto the ball, or connecting passes, or tackling properly, is beyond me.

Yes, he needs to, and apparently does, take the responsibility, but let's be honest about the player performance level....or lack of it. These are experienced, professional, first grade footballers who seem completely inept at performing the most basic of fundamental rugby league skills.

Youre absolutely right that these experienced first grade footballers are struggling with the fundamentals and have no heart on the field - but -
It is ENTIRELY the coaches fault for not coaching out bad habits and not instilling a will to win attitude in the club.
Sure the coach cant physically make the tackles out on the field - but he should be able to teach players how to tackle and where to mark up on the field.
He cant make players hang on to the ball, but he can coach ways to best hold the ball.
Its not the coach that is making all the silly penalties, but he can reprimand players for consistant stupid behaviour.

Our players may be experienced and professionals - but our coaching staff certainly isnt.

 

[Drew-Sta]

Mate, seriously, I don't believe for a second that he is guiltless in this. However, with the situation at the club right now anyone who believes just hiring another coach will make things right is dreaming.

My point was that the players are a bigger part of the blame. How it's the fault of Nathan Brown that our speedsters are not chasing down opposition players with a lot less speed, or hanging onto the ball, or connecting passes, or tackling properly, is beyond me.

Yes, he needs to, and apparently does, take the responsibility, but let's be honest about the player performance level....or lack of it. These are experienced, professional, first grade footballers who seem completely inept at performing the most basic of fundamental rugby league skills.

I'm talking an entire coaching clean out. Brown is not solely responsible, but he is a big reason why.

What does a coach do:

* Teaches them how to catch
* Teaches them how to pass
* Teaches them how to string together a backline movement
* Teaches them how to kick
* Teaches them how to lock the ball up in a tackle
* Teaches them how to hold a ball in the tackle
* Teaches them how to read the defence
* Inspires them to win
* Shows them how to work as a team
* Delegates trainers to keep them fit
* Teeaches them how to play their position
* Teaches them how to win!
* Prepares them for each game and each opposition
* Motivates them by developing a coach/player relationship
* Sets the team goals to help win the comp
* Sets them personnal goals to help them improve
* Sets them boundaries and responsibilities to help focus them on what they must do
* Helps them to attain the goal of a premiership

The pathetic effort of Friday is not one or two players who just don't care, the entire TEAM is down on confidence, motivation, preparation and desire to win. WHY?

WHY are they like that? Is it because Brown has not done the aforementioned jobs I have shown? I think so.

Brown is responsible for playing players out of position, not teaching/preparing his halfback, having terrible game plans, not coaching out of a player fundamental erros, not teaching his players how to play wet weather footy.

These area's are Brown's responsibilities. I have no doubt the players want to win. They'd get sick of losing as much as we do. But how Brown does that is where he is found out to be an incompetent coach.

Good coaches turn it around. Look at Bennett. 2 years ago people were saying he was out-dated and his team not competitive. Now he's got ANOTHER premiership under his belt and his side bounced back after repeated losses to destroy Newcastle.

I'm sorry, but Brown and Doust are major influenecs on our club that we're better off without.

 

[Godz Illa]

Teams coached by Brown have turned around poor beginings to the season in the past 3 years. Whether those turnarounds are credited to Brown or the players is irrelevant - the fact is they did happen.

Signs that the team had begun to effect a turnaround were evident in the Gold Coast match. Those signs completely disappeared in Canberra. Also missing in Canberra: Dean Young, Jason Ryles, Wes Naiqama and for a major portion Ben Hornby.

Your reference to Wayne Bennett's miracle turnaround this weekend is humourous. His team has struggled despite being largely unaffected by injury, and finally struck form against a team missing 3 of its most important players.


I'm not going into bat for Brown just because I'm a starry-eyed Brown lover or anytrhing like that. I just think the debate needs to be tempered somewhat, with a view to facts rather than opinions or subjectivity. Pretty sure everything I've listed above are factual and impartial.

 

[Steel Dragon]

I gotta agree with everything Drew said.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

1 - Phil Gould (coach) + Billy Johnstone (head conditioner) = Premiership.

2 - Brown + McGregor = False Hope.

* Item 1 is a long shot, but the ideal combination to pull the Dragons players into line. I've commented previously its our attitude that stinks, and that is something that is bred by management & coaching in a club.

I like Brownie, and feel for his plight at the moment. But there's no room for sentiment here, we do not aim up at all right now.

 

[Father Ted]

1 - Phil Gould (coach) + Billy Johnstone (head conditioner) = Premiership.

2 - Brown + McGregor = False Hope.

* Item 1 is a long shot, but the ideal combination to pull the Dragons players into line. I've commented previously its our attitude that stinks, and that is something that is bred by management & coaching in a club.

I like Brownie, and feel for his plight at the moment. But there's no room for sentiment here, we do not aim up at all right now.

Also Throw in Halligan as a kicking coach and Cement Gillespie as defensive coach sack the board and we are cooking with gas

 

[God-King Dean]

See my above post...that'll do me.

Of course it will do you. You've got no f*cking idea :lol: