Nathan Brown

[hindy111]

Who Hindy???

You need a mix of workers and explosive players like Paulo. While Vave is handy he's not in the same postcode as paulo and it's something the side lacks.

There are some props, and guess what. They are good in defense and hitting up. Who would of thought. A player could run hard and still be good defensively.

Maybe we should sign one of them instead of either a just a battering ram who cant defend or a work horse who runs up like a marshmellow.

You need tough props that if cop a big hit to any player they make sure they pay them back, You think when Moses gets belted Mannah is going to go after the guy?
Imagine someone did a dirty shot to one of the smaller guys at the bulldogs. Half their pack would take the guys head off.

 

[hineyrulz]

Yeah, look im on board with wishing he was still here .... i remember when hindy111 made a thread asking who was our most important junior forward coming into first grade, tepai, pauli or junior - most merkins went pauli and tep, but i was rock solid on junior - he is definitely something we could do with ... but i dont know all the details

I also went Paulo, sure he has some flaws in his game but we have missed him badly.

 

[hindy111]

Half the forums want them both gone.

I think if we had a better hooker we'd be less worried about our pack, personally. Hopefully BA can stop Evans being a lazy s**t and then I don't think we'll have a major issue.

In games when our forwards have gotten on top Kaysa has been very good.
He would look even better behind a roosters or Dogs pack.

 

[hineyrulz]

It's true but the less work he does in defence the worse the team's defence overall.

Like ours last season before we were stripped of all our points????

 

[hineyrulz]

Because all our 'shitty reserve grade standard plodders' covered for him.

So surely a mix of both type of players makes a strong pack???

Those first 9 rounds last season was the most dominant our pack had been in a decade.

 

[hindy111]

So surely a mix of both type of players makes a strong pack???

Those first 9 rounds last season was the most dominant our pack had been in a decade.

No... You want forwards who can defend well and hit it up with venom. Like klemmer.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I remember our defence early last season being better than this year but not by heaps. There were a couple of games where we were charging off the line and bullying teams and we were all like, "How awesome is this?!"...and then a week later it just disappeared.

 

[hindy111]

I remember our defence early last season being better than this year but not by heaps. There were a couple of games where we were charging off the line and bullying teams and we were all like, "How awesome is this?!"...and then a week later it just disappeared.

Loke first few rnd this year. Hard to maintain for 26 weeks. Why dogs have faded back end of last few seasons also.

 

[Bazal]

No... You want forwards who can defend well and hit it up with venom. Like klemmer.

You cannot have an entire forward pack of David Klemmer FFS

You say that Mannah and Alvaro can't make metres, yet Mannah has been our leading metre maker for the last two or three seasons and Alvaro makes more metres per run than Terepo, who you love.

Alvaro made 140m in round one. He made 100 in round 2, 122 in round 3. It's not that he cannot make metres. It's that his role has changed since the bench rotation changed. He made 40 tackles off the bench on the weekend in a mammoth effort when no other merkin could be f**ked tackling.

You want something that isn't possible, it's as simple as that. Daniel Alvaro will be one of our starting props in two years time. And he will be averaging 120m a game and 30 odd tackles like Tim Mannah has for years.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Half the forums want them both gone.

I think if we had a better hooker we'd be less worried about our pack, personally. Hopefully BA can stop Evans being a lazy s**t and then I don't think we'll have a major issue.

Evans' tackles per minute are phenomenal. At least they were last year.

 

[hindy111]

Terepo hurts guys thou when runs with his impact. So they have aches and pains which slows them up.

JWH + Napa + K.Evans are 3/4 roosters props. Who the other? Moa? I forget.

 

[Bazal]

Evans' tackles per minute are phenomenal. At least they were last year.

Nah I meant in attack tbh. With Mannah and Alvaro around I'm not so concerned about his defence. But he goes from 23 mins 10 runs for 100m one week, to similar minutes but 4 runs for 40m the next.

Yeah, metres per run is good, but 4 runs is useless.

 

[Bazal]

Terepo hurts guys thou when runs with his impact. So they have aches and pains which slows them up.

JWH + Napa + K.Evans are 3/4 roosters props. Who the other? Moa? I forget.

If he hurt blokes, he would make more metres per run. He'd bump them off more and make more metres, or he'd have significantly more tackle breaks (he doesn't), or he'd make defenders hang back and make more metres as a result. None of this happens. Terepo is a good back up prop but this hurting blokes with his runs is a myth. He runs like Martin Lang, he looks like he's got a f**k ton of energy but he doesn't actually make much of an impact on the defensive line. And he's fooled you.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

There are some props, and guess what. They are good in defense and hitting up. Who would of thought. A player could run hard and still be good defensively.

Maybe we should sign one of them instead of either a just a battering ram who cant defend or a work horse who runs up like a marshmellow.

You need tough props that if cop a big hit to any player they make sure they pay them back, You think when Moses gets belted Mannah is going to go after the guy?
Imagine someone did a dirty shot to one of the smaller guys at the bulldogs. Half their pack would take the guys head off.

You're totally right, which is why Klemmer and co play Origin while Junior Paulo plays for Samoa. Paulo is a great attacker but a liability in defence. This is why he's not worth as much as the elite forwards. He's Vave for longer minutes.

 

[Eelpout]

You're totally right, which is why Klemmer and co play Origin while Junior Paulo plays for Samoa. Paulo is a great attacker but a liability in defence. This is why he's not worth as much as the elite forwards. He's Vave for longer minutes.

I don't think his defence is as bad as you say it is. He lateral movement for his size is fairly good. He may make less tackles per game than his counterparts but I suggest that this is because coaching staff realise that his attack is very good and it would be a waste of his ability having him make so many tackles.

If he wasn't to be considered for Origin it would be due to fears about his fitness i.e. punching out 40mins of footy at the pace of the game. Like all players, his attack and defence would be of less quality under fatigue.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Like ours last season before we were stripped of all our points????

We weren't great last year because of Paulo - he was in our side since 2013 when we won a spoon, as well as through 2014 and 2015.

 

[Eelpout]

We weren't great last year because of Paulo - he was in our side since 2013 when we won a spoon, as well as through 2014 and 2015.

Before he was rumoured to have signed with the Raiders and you take out the Moses effect we were 6/9 with him, so a win rate of 66.6%. He was in serious form and was a large proportion of the reason why we were going so well. Darren Lockyer's win percentage in his club career was 66.76% and he had an alright career so saying we weren't great because of him is a little rich.

You and I both know that our results in '13, '14 and '15 had minimal bearing on him. You're better than that.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

We weren't great last year because of Paulo - he was in our side since 2013 when we won a spoon, as well as through 2014 and 2015.

That's a bit harsh. There's plenty of other reasons why we weren't great.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

So surely a mix of both type of players makes a strong pack???

Weaknesses don't make a strong pack. Look at the Bulldogs - Kasiano was Dally M prop of the year in 2012 and started every game. James Graham came off the bench that year. By 2016 Kasiano came off the bench 20 times (averaging 30 minutes) and it looks like the Dogs don't want to have to carry him any longer - they can get almost as much attack from Woods, along with much better defence.

Those first 9 rounds last season was the most dominant our pack had been in a decade.

Paulo still only averaged 110 metres per game. Everyone was helped by the whole team being stronger - we are getting less yardage from Radradra too. He is averaging over 30 metres per game less than last year (153.7 vs 121.7), in basically the same number of runs (14.1 vs 13.9) and line breaks (0.8 vs 0.7). He is winning fewer piggy back penalties too.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Nah I meant in attack tbh. With Mannah and Alvaro around I'm not so concerned about his defence. But he goes from 23 mins 10 runs for 100m one week, to similar minutes but 4 runs for 40m the next.

Yeah, metres per run is good, but 4 runs is useless.

The number of runs a middle forward makes is dependent on the game situation (i.e. scoreboard). For bench players this could be anything by the time they come onto the field.