Nathan Cleary

[rem286]

Question for those who think Cleary is/will be a top shelf halfback, what season would you expect him to regularly start creating tries?

I’m talking 20 try assists per season, or close to it.

When he has more than Kikau as an option

 

[franklin2323]

When he has more than Kikau as an option

He has 4 try assists for the year.

Luai has 2 in his last 2 games (One with no Kikau) Maloney had 3 yesterday... So same situations others are doing more

 

[herbert henry1908]

In fairness to Nathan, it is a very different game now as opposed to when most of the elite half backs emerged. When do we ever see big Blocker Roach or Lazarus style forwards in our game now, they were a lot easier to run around when tired than the machines who play prop now days.

Yes he does have a ways to go but having a controlled half who can play a structured game isn't a bad thing as long as your other half is creative. Also as others have said, we have no flare outside of the halves so it isn't hard for teams to target Cleary and Maloney and our attack is shut down.

But Maloney has been widely considered to be in bad form this year, and he has 8 try assists to Nathan’s 4.

So maybe our attack is easy to shut down, but Cleary is still being outperformed (as an attacking half) by a guy who almost everyone has said is in bad form.

Maloney also leads the league in forced drop outs with 21 to Nathan’s 8.

 

[Dave's mate]

But Maloney has been widely considered to be in bad form this year, and he has 8 try assists to Nathan’s 4.

So maybe our attack is easy to shut down, but Cleary is still being outperformed (as an attacking half) by a guy who almost everyone has said is in bad form.

Maloney also leads the league in forced drop outs with 21 to Nathan’s 8.

Maloney has also let in more than hes setup

 

[herbert henry1908]

When he has more than Kikau as an option

Maloney has 8 this year to Cleary’s 4.

Cleary’s also had Blake for most of the year, he scored 14 tries last season.

Plus he’s also had Peachey in previous seasons.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Maloney has also let in more than hes setup

That’s why a specified *as an attacking half*

I don’t doubt Maloney has defensive problems, my point was to highlight what’s going on at the other end of the field.



Although according to fox sports you’re wrong.

Maloney’s missed tackles have been the cause of tries 4 times, same as Nathan.

 

[rem286]

As you would expect from an older more experienced half.

I know Cleary isn't perfect and his form has plateaued recently, but I am confident that any young half playing in the same team would be struggling to do anything spectacular on a consistent basis.

 

[Dave's mate]

That’s why a specified *as an attacking half*

I don’t doubt Maloney has defensive problems, my point was to highlight what’s going on at the other end of the field.



Although according to fox sports you’re wrong.

Maloney’s missed tackles have been the cause of tries 4 times, same as Nathan.

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That stat is way off what actually happens. The whole side of the field is compromised. He pretty much has to perform like yesterday to be worth it

 

[herbert henry1908]

As you would expect from an older more experienced half.

I know Cleary isn't perfect and his form has plateaued recently, but I am confident that any young half playing in the same team would be struggling to do anything spectacular on a consistent basis.

Football vision doesn’t come with experience, you either have or it or you don’t. The best halves are often very productive in their early years.

 

[franklin2323]

That’s why a specified *as an attacking half*

I don’t doubt Maloney has defensive problems, my point was to highlight what’s going on at the other end of the field.



Although according to fox sports you’re wrong.

Maloney’s missed tackles have been the cause of tries 4 times, same as Nathan.

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Maloney rushes up. Tries to put a hit on.. Often falls off but slows the guy for someone else. Goes down as a missed tackle but no try scored

 

[herbert henry1908]

That stat is way off what actually happens. The whole side of the field is compromised. He pretty much has to perform like yesterday to be worth it

I’m not doubting his defensive issues, but as I said, I wasn’t addressing that. I was addressing the attack.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Question for those who think Cleary is/will be a top shelf halfback, what season would you expect him to regularly start creating tries?

I’m talking 20 try assists per season, or close to it.

I think he’ll be doing that by the end of this season.

An Origin series with Joey will be massive for him.

 

[Panther_Daz]

I think he’ll be doing that by the end of this season.

An Origin series with Joey will be massive for him.

He had Joey last year too. Plus Freddy, Brandy and Gower.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I think he’ll be doing that by the end of this season.

An Origin series with Joey will be massive for him.

Didnt he work with Johns last year too?

Anyway, bullish prediction. We don’t have long to find out.

 

[Luke Bowden]

He had Joey last year too. Plus Freddy, Brandy and Gower.

And he’s done every thing they asked of him.

As a few people have said, Joey has identified what he needs to do next, no doubt that’s what he’ll be working on.

 

[herbert henry1908]

And he’s done every thing they asked of him.

As a few people have said, Joey has identified what he needs to do next, no doubt that’s what he’ll be working on.

They didn’t ask him to set up tries?

 

[Luke Bowden]

They didn’t ask him to set up tries?

Last year they told him to concentrate on his defence and steer the team around the park.

This year they told him to concentrate on his defence, his kicking and steering the team around the park. Freddy said that he also expected him to up his involvements.

I don’t think they expected the right side to offer as much as they did on attack. I get the impression that Joey saw a lot more than he expected and I think he will give Nathan more responsibility this time round.

 

[rem286]

But Maloney has been widely considered to be in bad form this year, and he has 8 try assists to Nathan’s 4.

So maybe our attack is easy to shut down, but Cleary is still being outperformed (as an attacking half) by a guy who almost everyone has said is in bad form.

Maloney also leads the league in forced drop outs with 21 to Nathan’s 8.

So we are comparing a 21 year old kid to a seasoned veteran who leads the whole comp on forced drop outs?

 

[Bob]

Craig Gower won Dally M Hooker of the year in 2000.

And he would of won the dally m in 2003 as a halfback if the awards weren’t cancelled

 

[Panther_Daz]

Last year they told him to concentrate on his defence and steer the team around the park.

This year they told him to concentrate on his defence, his kicking and steering the team around the park. Freddy said that he also expected him to up his involvements.

I don’t think they expected the right side to offer as much as they did on attack. I get the impression that Joey saw a lot more than he expected and I think he will give Nathan more responsibility this time round.

Maloney ran the show last year. Tedesco and Cook did in Origin 1. Nathan doesn't have the ability to get a team around the park yet.