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NBA Off-Season Signings/Trades

Ridders

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Toronto pick is definitely protected, although the protection is a little wierd in that it gets less protected as years go on.
 

betcats

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Some basketball reference site, I forgot which one but it was referenced in one of the articles talking about the trade.

It was saying when wide open Kobe, LeBron etc shoot around 55%, when hand in the face, they shoot around 45%.

Conversely...Harden is around 50% when open (similar to the elite guys), but drops to 30% when guarded.

So it isn't necessarily that Kobe, Lebron are bad when open, they are great...so is Harden, but they just don't get disturbed by contact as much as Harden it appears.

Those figures may be full of shit, but it is what I read on one of the articles talking about the trade. Might have been in a Houston paper or something. Not sure. Was late. lol. Those stats just stood out to me.


Fair enough mate.
 

betcats

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Rockets saying they a contender with harden..

Thats funny, who said that? I just read an interview the otherday of there GM, Daryl Morey(i think) and he said you need two all stars to be a contender and he said "we are not there yet" or something like that but they think Harden will help them attract another all star or two.
 

simostorm

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Thats funny, who said that? I just read an interview the otherday of there GM, Daryl Morey(i think) and he said you need two all stars to be a contender and he said "we are not there yet" or something like that but they think Harden will help them attract another all star or two.

Nah I got it wrong.. I read it wrong..
 

simostorm

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I seen the highlights during the halftime break of the spurs/hornets.. midway through 3rd harden with 25 and about 6-7 assists and about 5 or 6 rebounds.. pretty awesome.
 

betcats

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Yeah very good game from him. He did also have 4TO..to be expected a bit i guess, more PT and possession.
 

betcats

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Good first outing for Harden.

But it's the Pistons.

Haha i was thinking the same, Pistons squad is very poor on paper. Even so, that is a very impressive statline on debut for a new team.

I mean 12 assists? How many games has he played with those guys? And scoring was efficient as ever, even as the 1st option.

All in all a very promising start, dont wanna get carried away though.
 

simostorm

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12 assist to go along with 37 points.. only 1 game but promising.
Whats a good NBA app? I've been using ESPN app which is alright but doesn't show box scores.
 

betcats

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Harden! The boy is a star. Just heard on the nba coverage only two other dudes have scired 80 or 82 in thefirst two games, MJ and Wilt. Quite a list to add yourself too.

Mick will be changing that statement sometime this season.

Still too early to really call it but that trade is not looking good for Okc now.
 

Big Mick

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Wanna change that statement? It's still early so it would make it easier to admit that you were wrong :p

Two games against two shit defenses and he has proved all doubters wrong?

Lin put up record numbers in his first 5 games last year...you reckon he is a star?

Let's see where he is at after 82 games. Raymond Felton started hot for Portland last year...where did he end up again?

I'll admit he has been much better than I thought he would be, but I'm not going to overreact and compare him to MJ just yet...
 
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Special K

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lol all defensive how typical of big mick. I gave you a chance to change your statement, lets bump this at the end of the season and see I guess.

Harden scores, defends and can handle the ball. He is a number 1 option... Not saying he is MJ, just saying that statement is a terrible one.
 

Big Mick

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lol all defensive how typical of big mick. I gave you a chance to change your statement, lets bump this at the end of the season and see I guess.

Harden scores, defends and can handle the ball. He is a number 1 option... Not saying he is MJ, just saying that statement is a terrible one.

I'm not being defensive.

I'm willing to admit he was better than I thought he'd be - I just said that....How is that defensive?

But to suggest he is an absolute superstar after 2 or 3 games is a bit ridiculous.

I'll change the statement to this "The kid is a genuine talent, but I don't believe he can lead a team to a title as a #1 player on a team like a superstar". How is that?

If he was the #2 or #3 guy on a team...fantastic. But I just don't see him leading Houston to a title unless they get someone there to help him.
 

Special K

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That's a very, very different statement to he isn't a #1 guy or a max guy though. But a better and possibly true one. Not many guards can lead a team to a title without an all star big/partner so that might be setting the bar a tad high.

Thing is harden has shown promise with the thunder for a few years this is not a Lin style of "blowing up", harden was doing well in a team that had two superstars. He is a number 1 option(on a good or bad team) and a max guy.

On espn they were talking about how the talk will go from "did they get a good deal?" to "did they trade the right guy out of him and Westbrook?" Interesting take.
 

Big Mick

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That's a very, very different statement to he isn't a #1 guy or a max guy though. But a better and possibly true one. Not many guards can lead a team to a title without an all star big/partner so that might be setting the bar a tad high.

Thing is harden has shown promise with the thunder for a few years this is not a Lin style of "blowing up", harden was doing well in a team that had two superstars. He is a number 1 option(on a good or bad team) and a max guy.

On espn they were talking about how the talk will go from "did they get a good deal?" to "did they trade the right guy out of him and Westbrook?" Interesting take.

TBH the talk of "did they trade the right guy" will stop soon as he has a few more of the 33% shooting nights with 5 TO like today. Although RW has about that every 2nd night. I actually think Martin has played well for OKC.

I heard some nupty today comparing him to MJ on a broadcast. An audible "bitch please" was heard from my house.

Harden has impressed me more than I thought in 2 out of 3 games so far this season.

But the issue with him is getting a shot off under pressure. Case in point today....Wes Matthews was ALL over him...and his shooting percentage reflects that. When he plays against inferior defensive guards he looks fantastic - i.e. Stuckey and Lou Williams essentially.

What I'd like to see him do to really show he is a great player is when he comes up against a guy who is good defensively...to treat em like they aren't there...or find other ways to get to the basket or create opportunities for others.

Now it isn't to say he doesn't get the respect of other teams - in the Finals last year they had LeBron on him ALOT....goes to show the respect they have for him.

But I'd still say he needs to take that next step of being dominant against what many perceive are better players or more dominant teams.

But he has taken significant strides to be an All-Star calibre player.
 

simostorm

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Harden obviously better than Kmart.. but I think the the thing that ppl are happy about with the trade is that OKC probably could not have gotten a better deal.. not like they could have got a Kobe with him.. so martin whose a good player plus lamb who has potential and the draft picks, makes it a pretty good deal. But obviously first choice would have been to keep harden for another 5 years.

But otherwise OKC would have to go all in on one season then lose him to fa. So you gotta trade really.
 

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