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NBA Season 2010-2011

Ridders

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Whilst Ariza has been pretty abysmal offensively himself the last year and a half, wonder whether the Lakers regret signing a 30 year old (at the time) Artest instead of just extending the younger Ariza (24 at the time) for the same money? Yeah they won a championship with Artest (they also won one with Ariza) but in 12 months time I wonder which will be contributing more (let alone by the last two years of Artest's contract).

This is my recollection of how things went down. It could possible be wrong, so correct me if so.

At the time, the Lakers were willing to offer Ariza the full mid-level (what the Lakers ended up giving Artest). Iirc however, Ariza's agent wanted more than the full mid-level and wasn't satisfied with the deal.

The Lakers then, thinking that it was a fair offer, basically FU'ed Ariza and his agent and offered the full mid-level to Artest, who accepted. Ariza then ended up signing for the full mid-level as well with the Rockets.

So tbh, I don't really see it as the Lakers making it a choice between the two. The Lakers offered Ariza the same money that he eventually got from Houston. His agent, for some reason, felt at the time that Ariza was worth more.

In terms of their actual play, I agree in that the Lakers will regret Artest in the long-term. Although I think we all kind of knew that at the time. Artest was all about winning now, which he did. Plus if the Lakers don't sign Ron, we don't get his NBA Finals Game 7 post-game press conference.
 

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Found this an interesting read;

Phil Jackson clarifies comments


By Dave McMenamin

ESPNLosAngeles.com

EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- A home loss like the Los Angeles Lakers experienced Sunday, a 19-point drubbing to a sub-.500 Memphis Grizzlies team, reverberates a little longer than a typical one-of-82 regular season loss.

So, after a long practice Monday, the team was still talking about what was said after Sunday's game along with looking ahead to the upcoming schedule.

Kobe Bryant scored a game-high 28 points against the Grizzlies but 17 of those points came in the third quarter when he took 12 of the Lakers' 22 shot attempts as a team. With Bryant controlling the offense, Memphis' lead ballooned from nine at halftime to 17 headed into the fourth.

"We get behind early on in the third quarter on some stupid plays -- poor passing, poor transition defense -- and then Kobe has to screw up the game and start energizing the team by going one-on-one and that takes the rest of the guys out as a consequence," Lakers coach Phil Jackson said after the game.

Jackson clarified what he meant when he said "screw up the game" after practice, taking some of the bite out of the sound bite.
"When a game starts getting out of hand -- and rightly so -- Kobe will crank it up, not screw it up," Jackson said. "I used that term 'screw it up' but not in terms of it being an error or a mistake, but 'crank it up.' He'll go to another notch to try to get us back in the ballgame. That's something we do in the fourth quarter, that's our fourth quarter action, that's how we win ballgames. To have to crank it up and do that in the third quarter, we didn't have much left in the gas tank after that."

Bryant admitted Jackson's assessment was not off base, but said it is his role on the team to bear the brunt of the scoring load from time to time.
"[Jackson] was right, I totally broke the offense, but I did it intentionally because I felt like we needed to get something started because what we were doing just wasn't working," Bryant said. "So, I tried to kick start it and sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't but that's my responsibility. When it works out? Great. When it doesn't? I'll take the criticism for it, but I have thick enough skin to be able to do that. ... You just have to take the good with the bad. That's part of my job in the seat that I sit.

"I was trying to win the damn game. We were playing like [expletive], we all were, so I was just trying to get something going, trying to pump a little energy to us and it just didn't work out. But Phil doesn't really care how many shots I take, he just wants me to take them inside of the offense. [Sunday] was one of those days where I was like, '[Expletive] the triangle, I need to get myself going and try to save this damn game,' and it just didn't work out."

Bryant did not take offense to the message.

"When you've been around Phil for as many years as I have, we all understand that he likes coaching publicly and I think it's important for the new guys to understand that -- Ron [Artest], Pau [Gasol], guys who kind of have issues with that," Bryant said. "You see myself, you see Fish [Derek Fisher], we understand that's how he coaches so it's fine. You just let him do his job and you go about your business."

Gasol said that last season he was irked by Jackson going to the press when he was out with a hamstring injury and "joking around with it a little too much," but accepts the practice.

"Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't," Gasol said. "With me, I try not to pay too much attention to it. I find out from you guys when you say, 'Phil just said ...' and I'm like, 'OK.' That's just part of his coaching strategy and mindset. That's the way he does it and guys, I think, respect him and understand why he does it. He doesn't try to create any trouble; he just tries to motivate guys to do better."

Gasol, who is averaging just 13.7 points on 10.5 shot attempts per game during the team's current 2-4 slump over its last six games, described what it is like to play with Bryant when he commandeers the offense.
"We're all familiar with his game and his ability to score and his ability to take over games," Gasol said. "Sometimes it's a double-edged sword because it can keep you in the games or even sometimes win you games, but it can also lose you games. I think we're more effective and we're more successful when our offense is balanced and everybody is contributing. We all know that. We're in good shape when everybody is scoring 10-plus points and getting good looks, because the offense will do that for you."

The Lakers placed just three players in double-digits Sunday with Gasol scoring 10 and Shannon Brown chipping in 11 to go along with Bryant's 28 points. Coming into the Lakers recent struggles over the last six games, Gasol was averaging 19.8 points on 14.8 shot attempts per game.
While the issue about Bryant's scoring was seemingly put to rest, Jackson pointed to another potential reason for the problems the Lakers are going through -- outside distractions.
"[The challenge] is keeping them intrigued and immersed in what we're doing so they don't get bored," Jackson said. "We're a little afraid that some of the outside activity is an element that may be distracting them. I never thought that would happen. I thought we had professional guys. But, maybe it is."

Among the extra-curricular activities surrounding the Lakers this season have been Artest's championship ring raffle, Brown's engagement to R&B singer Monica, Lamar Odom's proposed reality TV show with wife Khloe Kardashian, controversies surrounding Bryant endorsing Turkish Airlines and appearing in a commercial featuring gun play for the video game Call of Duty: Black Ops and even Fisher fulfilling his role as president of the player's association with a lockout looming.
"I wouldn't name names," Jackson said when asked which distractions he was referring to.

All in all, Bryant said that the trials and tribulations facing this season's three-peat bid are nothing compared to what the Lakers went through in the early 2000s when he and Shaquille O'Neal feuded over control of the team.
"We had some deep-seeded issues on that team. That was a very dysfunctional group. This is not that," Bryant said. "It looks pretty grim right now, but I like the way we're working."
Dave McMenamin covers the Lakers for ESPNLosAngeles.com. Follow him on Twitter.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5985885
 
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Yeah - the team currently with the best record - Spurs. Orlando are also on a 6 game winning streak with wins over the Celtics & Spurs in that time.

The Lakers have been out-scored by 50 points in their last 4 home games. Not a good sign for them.

It's looking like a Spurs/Mavs western conference final. I don't know about the Magic there is too much reliance on Howard going through a 7 game series against Boston, Miami, Lakers/Spurs/Mavs they need the support cast to step up I'm not sure they've got the complete package to do it but atm they're on a roll so time will tell.
 

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Mavs could be in trouble if Butler's season is indeed over. Hasn't been determined how long he's going to be out for, but it's at least going to be a couple of months.
 

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Knicks beat the Spurs today 128-115.

Was interesting to see that the Spurs bench was all on the floor with points down and 3:30 to play...

I started watching from half way through the 1stQ and the Spurs didn't hit the front all game but they were still in it towards the end.

Saving their legs for Boston I guess.
 

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Phil Jackson had the Lakers running an 82 drill which is 82 layups in 2 minutes, if they fail to do so they have to start again, they full court layups as well, ouch! that has gotta hurt but then again seeingthem get smashed at home must hurt Laker fans, I just enjoy their thrashings.
 

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Knicks beat the Spurs today 128-115.

Was interesting to see that the Spurs bench was all on the floor with points down and 3:30 to play...

I started watching from half way through the 1stQ and the Spurs didn't hit the front all game but they were still in it towards the end.

Saving their legs for Boston I guess.

You see Pop do it quite a bit in the regular season. He'll often just give up in games if he feels that it's out of reach and just bench all his starters. Sometimes he'll do it even when you feel as though the Spurs still may have an outside chance of coming back.

It's all about the big picture with him.
 

betcats

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cant believe spurs let any team, let alone the knicks, put 128 points on them. What do u think of the Mavs chances now? for them to have any chance marion will have to step up bigtime which i dont really see happenin. Put a line through em i think.
 
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Their chances of a championship are all but shot now but they should still make it to conference semi final. Will Butler's absence hurt Dirk's chance of an MVP?

Phil Jackson had the Lakers running an 82 drill which is 82 layups in 2 minutes, if they fail to do so they have to start again, they full court layups as well, ouch! that has gotta hurt but then again seeingthem get smashed at home must hurt Laker fans, I just enjoy their thrashings.

lol that's to be expected when you get pumped by the Grizzlies at home. Good win for the neutrals though :D

You see Pop do it quite a bit in the regular season. He'll often just give up in games if he feels that it's out of reach and just bench all his starters. Sometimes he'll do it even when you feel as though the Spurs still may have an outside chance of coming back.

It's all about the big picture with him.

Smart move too. There are some old legs in that team that can't go hard like they did 5 years ago they've already got a good record at the moment if they do what Boston did last season and just negotiate their way to a top 4 they'll be fine.
 

Ridders

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Their chances of a championship are all but shot now but they should still make it to conference semi final. Will Butler's absence hurt Dirk's chance of an MVP?



lol that's to be expected when you get pumped by the Grizzlies at home. Good win for the neutrals though :D



Smart move too. There are some old legs in that team that can't go hard like they did 5 years ago they've already got a good record at the moment if they do what Boston did last season and just negotiate their way to a top 4 they'll be fine.

Hmmm good question. Depending on how the Mavs go record wise, it could potentially add to Dirk's case. If the Mavs are still able to have one of the best records in the West despite losing one of their key pieces, then I think that would definitely add to his case. If they flounder record wise, then Dirk probably won't be considered.

I agree thought that, unless they make some moves, their chances of getting to the Finals have been greatly reduced. Marion's alright but he's not really a guy who can create his own offense, which is one of the things that Butler bought to the Mavs.
 

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Blake Griffin in slam dunk contest

ESPNLosAngeles.com

Los Angeles Clippers forward Blake Griffin will take part in the slam dunk contest during this year's NBA All-Star weekend, the league announced Wednesday.

Washington Wizards center JaVale McGee, Oklahoma City Thunder forward Serge Ibaka and Milwaukee Bucks guard Brandon Jennings also are in the field.

This season's All-Star festivities are being held at Staples Center. The slam dunk contest is slated for Saturday, Feb. 19.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5990603

Jennings wtf? Blake should be great.
 

betcats

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Jennings can get up there but not sure how he will be coming of a pretty serious injury. All in all a pretty average looking field but to be honest i havent been very interested in the dunk contest for a while now.
 

Nth-Qld-Raider

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I hope these guys are better than the garbage from last year, Gerald Wallace was a disgrace, he didn't even try.

McGee is a surprise, can he dunk, thank god Nate Robinson is gooooooooone.
 

betcats

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McGee has great hops for a seven footer, he tried to dunk from the three throw line in a game not long ago, he farked it up pretty badly but not because he couldnt jump far enough.
 
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Gerald Wallace was garbage. The dunk contest hasn't been worth watching since Vince Carter tore it up 10 years ago I'm kind of glad Howard isn't there either. A few years back Howard had a few good ones but the rest usually have been done before but they might aswell just give it to Griffin the others won't touch him.
 

betcats

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Im not so sure that Griffin will win, he probably will but we have never really seen anything from him but very high and powerful dunks. You need to be creative to win it and he moght not have that creativity.
 

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DeMarcus Cousins is on a role atm. In his last 5 games, he's averaging 21.8 points, 9 rebounds, 2.8 assists and 1.4 steals on 55% shooting. Of even more importance perhaps, in that span the Kings have won 3 of their last 5 games.

The next great big man has arrived.
 

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