New South Wales 2016

[typicalfan]

Disagree. If Hayne didn't switch codes I'd have no doubts he would have become the greatest player ever, and he probably still is in the top 10 greatest atleast.

He isn't even the best player of his position of his time. The likes of Johns, Thurston and Lockyer have him well covered. Hayne can't lead a team like those guys. Throw in Fittler, Daley, Smith, Langer and then there are forwards like Lazarus, Clyde, Walters, Webcke etc.

 

[BM1979]

I have a feeling either Scott, Lewis or Hoffman is going to end up playing

 

[big hit!]

I have a feeling either Scott, Lewis or Hoffman is going to end up playing

hoffman the only one of those 3 who plays on the left.

Lewis has in the past at Penrith but has been on the right at Cronulla with graham left.

Even Cartwright is a rightie, aint he?

I'd say Hoffman will get the gig.

 

[Tommy Smith]

All this obsession with left vs right.

Wtf has league become?

I'm quite sure that Cartwright, perhaps the most naturally gifted forward in the league - a pure footballer blessed with physical attributes - can play either side of the field.

 

[TheFrog]

You wouldn't want a two time Dally M Medallist and one of the greatest players of the last 25 years at your club because he had the misfortune of being surrounded by a team of plodders almost his entire career?

The reason he was surrounded by plodders is because they spent so much of their salary cap on him, and got three or four really tremendous games out of him a season. The same happened at Newcastle circa 2005 with Johns, who spent so much of the season injured they lost 13 straight and landed the spoon.

The salary cap has this effect on teams. Better to be a champion team than a team with one champion in it.

 

[big hit!]

All this obsession with left vs right.

Wtf has league become?

I'm quite sure that Cartwright, perhaps the most naturally gifted forward in the league - a pure footballer blessed with physical attributes - can play either side of the field.

He can't defend properly on his preferred side.......I guess it won't make much of a difference on the other

 

[big hit!]

Forgot about GBird. I wouldn't be surprised to see him play on the left and perhaps Frizell come into the 17 as interchange and be used for 15-20 either side of halftime as part of the middle rotation. Alongside Klemmer and Fifita, that's some grunt in the trenches. Tamou, Woods and Gallen would be the starting and finishing three.

Issue with Frizell is that he's shown the goods primarily as an edge forward so he doesn't go through the defensive work as he would as a middle forward. Having to make plenty of tackles and make regular effective carries up the guts is totally different to positioning as the #4 defender on the edge where the defensive work is less, and there's more of an emphasis on getting involved wide on 4th or 5th tackle attacking plays. He seems to be built for power though so the short bursts of grunt either side of HT should suit him more than Jackson who Daley used last series in Game 1 as a middle forward when any good he showed at Canterbury was as a right forward.

QLD adhere to the left side - right side philosophy too. Oates, Gagai, O'Neil, Inglis, Gillett, Guerra, etc, all play on the same side for QLD that they primarily do for their clubs. Thurston and Cronk play left and right respectively for QLD too. They don't roam willy nilly around the field as 5/8 and HB. They'll position for open side plays based on where the ruck is so if it's coming from the left, Thurston will be first receiver and Cronk wider towards the right. The numbers on the back don't mean anything.

That's what League has become.

 

[no name]

Graham found guilty, out of game 2.

His defence should have shown the tape of Tapau's tackle on Bird and said how many grades higher should this one be (was given a grade 2) and rested their case.

 

[Jason Maher]

Frizell or Cartwright come in surely, probably onto the bench with Bird starting.

 

[Caped Crusader]

Friz is in

 

[Knightmare]

Cue Qld media scrambling to find another case of them being hard done-by in the lead up to next week's game...

 

[lockyno1]

Queensland are happy Daley is too stubborn to not play Cartwright! Just replace Jackson with Frizzel, it isn't rocket science Daley!

 

[Captain Apollo]

Gee, Laurie Daley sure showed some tact in his comments after Graham's suspension eh? :shock: What a moron.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

To be fair, Wade Graham cleaned up JT. He should be suspended.

As for NSW...lol. I just can't believe how they lurch from one strategic and tactical fkup to the next.

 

[RecordBreakingMaroons.]

Cue Qld media scrambling to find another case of them being hard done-by in the lead up to next week's game...

You mean like Daley whining about the refs? Hmm never thought of that.

 

[big hit!]

Gee, Laurie Daley sure showed some tact in his comments after Graham's suspension eh? :shock: What a moron.

I like the way he talks.........................just proves he isn't the man to be Origin head coach.

and how about publicly stating that Graham may never play origin, basically stating that he isn't good enough for this level and only got picked because of circumstance?

Daley is crazy. 99% of folks in NSW (the 1% will be roosters fans and Daley/Fulton) believe Graham is the best left forward in NSW - yes, better than Cordner - and Cartwright is the best and long-term future right forward for NSW too.

That's not a slight on Frizell. He'll be a great impact interchange player and I reckon he should be in the side as part of the middle rotation with Klemmer and Fifita at the back end of the 1st half and going into the 2nd half, just going balls to the wall for 15-20' either side of halftime. But Cartwright is the long-term prospect on the right edge and should be there now instead of Jackson.

These players will only get better in Origin by playing Origin. Smith, Slater, Thurston, Inglis, etc weren't series winners in their first campaigns, but they were correctly identified as fantastic rep talent and selected. They weren't the players they are now back then. Thurston was an awful defender too.

Fast forward 10-12 years and those guys have now won 9 series, going on 10.

in the meantime, NSW plods along.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Cordner finally got a starting opportunity for NSW and was Players Player.

Only an idiot continues to doubt the fact that fitness permitting he'll be the Blues forwards leader for 5-8 years.

 

[big hit!]

All well and good, but Graham is better.

Cordner is regularly injured too. Bad luck or is systemic, I don't know, but no point building around such a player when he becomes constantly unavailable when the series comes around.

and for the record, ignoring Daley/Fulton head coach/advisor team and starting with a clean state with a new outlook for NSW Origin, Game 1 should have seen this team:

FB: Tedesco; RW: Trbojevic; RC: Leilua; LC: Jennings; LW: Mansour; RH: Brooks/Moses; LH: Maloney; AH: Ennis; P: Woods; P: Fifita; MF: Gallen; RF: Cartwright; LF: Graham; IC: JBird, Klemmer, Tamou, Frizell.

There you go, a good team which could potentially become a great team of main stays for years to come.

No Farah and I reckon it will make a huge difference to both the halves play and also, control Gallen's dominance over the other NSW forwards to take 2 carries a set. Distribution from Ennis has been the difference at Cronulla this season for this reason. and you only need to watch Brooks or Moses play when any acting half other than Farah is distributing the ball. NSW won't lose anything with Ennis defending in the middle.

Frizell, make him part of the middle rotation with Klemmer & Tamou 15-20' either side of HT. Will make an impact. Cartwright is the better right forward for years to come.

JBird. He will represent. Give him the sniff off the bench until he finds his position and cannot be left out of the starting side.

 

[Tommy Smith]

Lol Brooks or Moses.

I stopped reading there.

 

[TheFrog]

with a new outlook for NSW Origin, Game 1 should have seen this team:

FB: Tedesco;

Picking blokes with busted shoulders certainly would qualify as a new outlook, not sure it'll catch on though.