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New South Wales 2016

SBD82

Coach
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1. James Tedesco
2. Josh Morris
3. Michael Jennings
4. Josh Dugan
5. Blake Ferguson
6. Blake Austin
7. Aidan Sezer
8. James Tamou
9. Robbie Farah
10. Aaron Woods
11. Greg Bird
12. Bryce Cartwright
13. Paul Gallen

14. Josh Reynolds
15. Trent Merrin
16. David Klemmer
17. Andrew Fifita

For me the only positions I'm not certain on is the halves and who the utility should be.

Before I sound too critical can I just say that I think the team you've picked would beat whatever side the selectors actually choose.

Morris to wing is a gamble. I think wing is a specialist position now, and it's been a long long time since Morris has played there. I would prefer Mansour. He starts the sets off well and his positioning is excellent.

I would also worry about who you would play on the edge if bird or cartwright went down injured. You've got 6 men in your middle rotation. Possible better to lose a prop and add someone that could play either. Or put bird on the bench who can play edge or middle and play a different left edge forward.
 

Vic Mackey

Referee
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Please just f**k off:

Boyd Cordner
Trent Merrin
Beau Scott
Josh Jackson
Will Hopoate
Daniel Tupou
Michael Ennis
Mitchell Pearce
Josh Reynolds
Ryan Hoffman


If only that was Laurie daleys thinking..I'd be willing to bet 4-5 of those guys will see a game during the series

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Before I sound too critical can I just say that I think the team you've picked would beat whatever side the selectors actually choose.

Morris to wing is a gamble. I think wing is a specialist position now, and it's been a long long time since Morris has played there. I would prefer Mansour. He starts the sets off well and his positioning is excellent.

I would also worry about who you would play on the edge if bird or cartwright went down injured. You've got 6 men in your middle rotation. Possible better to lose a prop and add someone that could play either. Or put bird on the bench who can play edge or middle and play a different left edge forward.

Morris to me is an ultra versatile player, I mean the guy moves over from the left side to the right 3 times a year to battle Inglis. I like Mansour but the problem with him is the high ball and Cronk will expose him there. Also he's other tribute is his hit ups, something we don't need when we have the likes of Gallen and Bird.

If an edge forward went down it would be a simple positional switch, move Gallen to the edge (where he's played before) and bring Merrin on at lock.
 

junior fan

Juniors
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Sorry, Bryce Cartwright needs more time. Origin is won on defence. Yes, Cartwright is a rare attacking player although given he is third in the missed tackle count with Mitchell Moses there should be alarm bells. Maybe in a a couple of years when his defence improves.
 

Tweed Titan

Bench
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Merrin is fantastic at giving away shitty Frank-Paulesque penalties when the chips are down. He needs to put in or piss off after this year. You could also say he is too similar in style to Paul Gallen. Do we really need both in the team if one is only going to play 15-20 minutes max? Either Gallen should play less minutes or pick a different style player instead.
 

Stake Removed

First Grade
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Sorry, Bryce Cartwright needs more time. Origin is won on defence. Yes, Cartwright is a rare attacking player although given he is third in the missed tackle count with Mitchell Moses there should be alarm bells. Maybe in a a couple of years when his defence improves.

NSW have tried the tactic in win on defense and it has backfired time and time again, QLD have strike power all over park. NSW need to pick players with strike power Cartrwight is one of them.

Picking Jack Bird on bench would be another can cover most positions and is game winner, trying to keep QLD less then 12 points does not work, how about NSW pick team to score 24-30, and seeing if QLD can do same thing
 

junior fan

Juniors
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NSW have tried the tactic in win on defense and it has backfired time and time again, QLD have strike power all over park. NSW need to pick players with strike power Cartrwight is one of them.

Picking Jack Bird on bench would be another can cover most positions and is game winner, trying to keep QLD less then 12 points does not work, how about NSW pick team to score 24-30, and seeing if QLD can do same thing

So picking poor defenders is a better way to prevent the best attacking players destroying us? You are partially right we didn't win last year with a more defensive oriented team but we won in 2014. The first game last year was decided by a point. Picking poor defenders is a great way to combat the best attacking players, don't worry about scoring 24-30 they scored 52 in the last game last year so 70 points might be what's needed. Josh Jackson is just as bad and should never be chosen again. Players like Tedesco who are exceptional attackers and excellent defenders are mandatory in a tightly contested series.
 
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Vic Mackey

Referee
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Agree, I still think Hoff, Mez & Beaunhead have something to offer at this level. As long as Scott keeps his stupid penalties to a minimum, love the way he goes at Thurston constantly.

Disagree on all. Hoff and Scott were great for nsw but neither offer what is needed at this level anymore. We won 2014 because of Hayne, pure and simple. Take him out and we've lost 10 straight.

We can't keep picking the same guys (particularly ones that will be 32 come game 1) who have lost series after series. They obviously haven't done the job.
 

betcats

Referee
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Yeah these guys have lost for ten years running almost which was capped off with a 50 point flogging last year, there is no Hayne so picking these guys and ecpecting them to tackle us to a series win wont work, it only ever worked once in ten years. There are guys that have been knocking on the door the last year or two that should be given a run. Plus throw in a smokey like Tedesco or Austin, they are up to it.
 

DiegoNT

First Grade
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Disappointing hearing the experts saying we should move dugan from fullback (who has always played great in that role, was our player of the series last year, and has been great in his past few games at fullback this year) 'because we need to try new things', yet in the same breathe say we need to pick guys who have regularly failed in pearce and farah if we want to win. I think we need some new blood, while still remain loyal to players who have given their all even in losing sides. While form, injuries and suspension could change things, this is how I'd be leaning

1. Dugan
2. Tedesco*
3. J.morris
4. Jennings
5. Trobavijtch**
6. Austin
7. A.reynolds ***
8. Woods
9. Rein****
10. Trobavijtch
11. Lewis*****
12. Bird
13. Gallen

14. D.walker/J.bird
15. Graham
16. Klemmer
17. Tamou

* I'd hate picking a fullback at wing, but tedesco has been in great form and no other nsw winger is standing out. Ditto why i picked trobavijtch on the other wing. Hopefully a true winger puts their hand up soon
** the halves are currently injured, but i think to they'd compliment each other well. Again it's a position no nsw players are putting their hopefully someone does soon, maybe someonr like Maloney or j. Reynolds
*** rein at hooker, again no nsw hookers are making much of a claim, definitely have to move on from farah
**** snubbing Lewis last year was disgraceful, of all our veteran forwards he has given the most and has been playing the best club footy. I'd still stick with bird and gallen as they are 80 minute players.

The bench.
I'd like an impact player like walker or bird on the bench, plus they are guys that can cover positions
Graham would be a great bench 2nd rower. I've never seem the point of picking workhorse back rowers on the bench when you already have 3 workhorses in the starting 13. Graham can put on a hit, has an offload and passing game plus is a tough lil bastard.
Klemmer can have an impact of the bench, whole tamou can continue on laying a platform when woods comes off.
 
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