New Zealand 2 will deal a massive blow to NZ rugby

[The Great Dane]

Why do you not have a problem with mixed PIs playing for the PIs, but not mixed PIs playing for their non PI ancestry? It's an odd stance to take.

I can answer why that is for you; because he's a hypocrite and is enforcing the soft bigotry of low expectations.

 

[The Great Dane]

How’s it racist

do you think they sing flower of Scotland without cue cards ?

Because it asserts a link between the biological and metaphysical that simply doesn't exist.

Whether you realise it or not you're saying that it's impossible for an, e.g., Asian person to be e.g. Scottish, and a Caucasian person to be e.g. Chinese. That's patently false, and the assertion drives from racist ideas and stereotypes that you've reaffirmed multiple times throughout this discussion, even going so far as to literally say that people whom don't look like what you'd expect members of a certain group to look like aren't/can't actually be part of said group.

 

[Gobsmacked]

The reds giving away tickets...

 

[Te Kaha]

The reds giving away tickets...

Yet another post irrelevant to League in NZ. You must be getting desperate after nobody in NZ bit the bait when the NRL announced it wanted to move to 20 teams. Even Chalmers has gone quiet. NZ2 wont be anywhere in the near to medium future.

 

[Brian potter]

Don’t know about potential backers in New Zealand for NZ2 but the crowds for super rugby including NZ are shocking and getting worse.

 

[Te Kaha]

Please god not " Pacifika "
Firstly I don't know anyone who identifies as a Pasifican ?
There's a reason people come here from the Pacific... small unpopulated poor countries in exactly nowhere ffs yeah let go where they fled and make it big
But for me, I'd boycott any game that involved something so dumb as the Pacifika

So now we know the real reason for the thread. Pure unadulterated racism. Took him a while to show his true colours. Or colour, singular, as the case may be.

 

[Brian potter]

The NRL could deal a massive blow to rugby union In New Zealand without even awarding a 2nd NZ NRL franchise by targeting even more top union schoolboy talent and young rookie NPC players with better financial deals.

You don’t need to be a financial expert to see that with the trajectory of the NRL skyrocketing and the trajectory of super rugby sinking like a stone that the NRL will be a better proposition for the younger generations of NZ union talent in terms of money and on field product.

 

[Te Kaha]

The NRL could deal a massive blow to rugby union In New Zealand without even awarding a 2nd NZ NRL franchise by targeting even more top union schoolboy talent and young rookie NPC players with better financial deals.

You don’t need to be a financial expert to see that with the trajectory of the NRL skyrocketing and the trajectory of super rugby sinking like a stone that the NRL will be a better proposition for the younger generations of NZ union talent in terms of money and on field product.

Another foreigner who equates Super Rugby with NZ Rugby health.... Super Rugby is nothing more than a tv filling, Development for NZR to feed players into the All Blacks. Sky TV pays a pittance for Super Rugby compared to the total deal it does for NZR. That's why NZR only gave RA another 5 million for SRP.

The money NZR gets from Super Rugby is not going to make any difference to how many "juniors" it can keep. That's even assuming the idiots who think it's "going to die" are accurate, which they aren't.

 

[Brian potter]

In other words domestic rugby union in New Zealand is stuck between a rock and a hard place with a rival code behemoth across the ditch getting stronger and richer every day threatening their weakening product coupled with the obvious solution of allowing their top players to sign for Australian super rugby clubs.

either way NZRU is damned if they do and damned if they don’t in the long run.

 

[Te Kaha]

In other words domestic rugby union in New Zealand is stuck between a rock and a hard place with a rival code behemoth across the ditch getting stronger and richer every day threatening their weakening product coupled with the obvious solution of allowing their top players to sign for Australian super rugby clubs.

either way NZRU is damned if they do and damned if they don’t in the long run.

And you can keep dreaming if you like. None of that is true and just shows, like the others in this thread you don't know anything about NZ, hell you don't even know what the organisation that runs Rugby in NZ is called.

 

[Brian potter]

Another foreigner who equates Super Rugby with NZ Rugby health.... Super Rugby is nothing more than a tv filling, Development for NZR to feed players into the All Blacks. Sky TV pays a pittance for Super Rugby compared to the total deal it does for NZR. That's why NZR only gave RA another 5 million for SRP.

The money NZR gets from Super Rugby is not going to make any difference to how many "juniors" it can keep. That's even assuming the idiots who think it's "going to die" are accurate, which they aren't.

Never said anything about domestic rugby union dying mate but I do think that it’s a weak product that’s getting weaker.

Also it’s a generational thing as well mate as today’s youngsters maybe don’t view and hold the all blacks jersey with as much Revere as the players did 20-30 years ago.

Also not everyone can play for the all blacks.

 

[Brian potter]

And you can keep dreaming if you like. None of that is true and just shows, like the others in this thread you don't know anything about NZ, hell you don't even know what the organisation that runs Rugby in NZ is called.

I know a struggling product when I see one and that is exactly what super rugby is.

im not saying that rugby union is dying in New Zealand and that rugby league will become the #1 code in New Zealand but if you can’t see that the NRL if they choose to could make serious inroads in New Zealand.

The question is are the NRL smart enough and brave enough to do so.

 

[Pneuma]

This thread …….

 

[Te Kaha]

Never said anything about domestic rugby union dying mate but I do think that it’s a weak product that’s getting weaker.

Also it’s a generational thing as well mate as today’s youngsters maybe don’t view and hold the all blacks jersey with as much Revere as the players did 20-30 years ago.

Also not everyone can play for the all blacks.

"maybe", that's all you have got. You have no idea if that is even true. and its funny how many of the youngsters the NRL teams sign from Rugby in NZ still hold their dream to play for the All Blacks. Although as "NRL superstar" RTS found out, it's not as easy to switch back.

I know a struggling product when I see one and that is exactly what super rugby is.

im not saying that rugby union is dying in New Zealand and that rugby league will become the #1 code in New Zealand but if you can’t see that the NRL if they choose to could make serious inroads in New Zealand.

The question is are the NRL smart enough and brave enough to do so.

Why is is struggling? The 25K fans in Auckland on the weekend and the hundreds of thousands who watched the game on TV didn't seem to think so.

This thread …….

What do you expect? a troll thread will continue as it started...

 

[Matua]

The NRL could deal a massive blow to rugby union In New Zealand without even awarding a 2nd NZ NRL franchise by targeting even more top union schoolboy talent and young rookie NPC players with better financial deals.

You don’t need to be a financial expert to see that with the trajectory of the NRL skyrocketing and the trajectory of super rugby sinking like a stone that the NRL will be a better proposition for the younger generations of NZ union talent in terms of money and on field product.

The NRL does not get the "top union schoolboy talent", it gets league kids who also play rugby, and a few odds and ends. It can't even get the top league talent all the time, Nanai-Seturo was set to be the next big thing in NZ league and he chose being a bit part player at the Chiefs instead.

For some context, Tohu Harris has been one of the best NZ league players for a decade now. He is playing league because he wasn't a offered a spot in the Hawkes Bay rugby academy - a smaller NPC province.

I know a struggling product when I see one and that is exactly what super rugby is.

im not saying that rugby union is dying in New Zealand and that rugby league will become the #1 code in New Zealand but if you can’t see that the NRL if they choose to could make serious inroads in New Zealand.

The question is are the NRL smart enough and brave enough to do so.

If you know a struggling product when you see one then obviously you'd be fully aware that league is struggling in NZ. No matter how badly Super Rugby is doing it is worth way more to Sky than the NRL is ... as has been pointed out many times in this thread, even the Warriors don't out-rate the large majority of Super matches.

 

[Brian potter]

"maybe", that's all you have got. You have no idea if that is even true. and it’s funny how many of the youngsters the NRL teams sign from Rugby in NZ still hold their dream to play for the All Blacks. Although as "NRL superstar" RTS found out, it's not as easy to switch back.

of course its “maybe” mate as it’s the unwritten future we are talking about and won’t know about until the next 10-15 years.

as for RTS currently not setting the world on fire in RU this is more positive for ex union schoolboy talent staying in the NRL.

Why is is struggling? The 25K fans in Auckland on the weekend and the hundreds of thousands who watched the game on TV didn't seem to think so.



What do you expect? a troll thread will continue as it started...

that’s the 2 biggest drawing sides in the competition mate and still only 25k showed up.

what were the other attendances for the round mate?

 

[Te Kaha]

of course its “maybe” mate as it’s the unwritten future we are talking about and won’t know about until the next 10-15 years.

as for RTS currently not setting the world on fire in RU this is more positive for ex union schoolboy talent staying in the NRL.

Yet his dream has always been to play for the All Blacks. Or are NRL players going to realise now they aren't good enough to play for the All Blacks?
And "maybe" means 2/5s of f**k all. Like I said you can keep dreaming, but thats all you have got.

that’s the 2 biggest drawing sides in the competition mate and still only 25k showed up.

what were the other attendances for the round mate?

Thats bigger than any League crowd in NZ in years, and it shows that the game is struggling????

I don't know the other crowds, but you are the one making the claim they are falling and it's a "failing product" so you tell me.

 

[Brian potter]

Yet his dream has always been to play for the All Blacks. Or are NRL players going to realise now they aren't good enough to play for the All Blacks?
And "maybe" means 2/5s of f**k all. Like I said you can keep dreaming, but thats all you have got.

it shows that transitioning back to the technicalities of union is more difficult and stifles the more attacking flair players.

Thats bigger than any League crowd in NZ in years, and it shows that the game is struggling????

I don't know the other crowds, but you are the one making the claim they are falling and it's a "failing product" so you tell me.

if you want to compare the 2 top drawing sides of super rugby with the last 10 years or so of dog turd warriors then be my guest mate.

as for the other crowd figures I haven’t seen them being officially posted yet(I wonder why?) but I watched the “highlights“ on YouTube and saw an ocean of empty seats though.

 

[Te Kaha]

it shows that transitioning back to the technicalities of union is more difficult and stifles the more attacking flair players.

"technicalities" in the back line????? seriously?? you are going with that... that's just desperate.

as for the other crowd figures I haven’t seen them being officially posted yet(I wonder why?) but I watched the “highlights“ on YouTube and saw an ocean of empty seats though.

So you "watched the highlights" on "youtube".. which games? You are going to be a bit more specific.

 

[Brian potter]

"technicalities" in the back line????? seriously?? you are going with that... that's just desperate.

absolutely, the overall tecnicalities and percentages on a union pitch stifles the attacking flair of backs compared to league.

So you "watched the highlights" on "youtube".. which games? You are going to be a bit more specific.

All of them mate but this one in particular caught my eye seen as though it looked like the warriors drew a bigger crowd.